Trent Cotchin or Matt Kreuzer?

[parrot]

I voted Kreuzer at this stage, but I'm sure we'll learn a whole lot more about the draftee's over the next several months. I think we should go for the best talent with our #1 and #3 picks, regardless of the position they play. If the best talent is Kruezer, then so be it. The big advantage we have got, is the Tigers recruitment is terrible, and there is always the chance of the 2nd best talent falling through to us at #3.

 

[Amers]

HBF or Gilly or anyone else who can help, How far ahead of all the other mids do you consider Cotchin to be? What sets him apart or makes him better or more appealing?

 

[Salaryman]

HBF or Gilly or anyone else who can help, How far ahead of all the other mids do you consider Cotchin to be? What sets him apart or makes him better or more appealing?

Check your PM's Amers

 

[Crippa#9]

Might go and have a look at both of them on Sunday at Princes Park

 

[Marc Shmurf 3]

Kreuzer. There'll be a gun midfielder around at pick 3.

Summed it up right there. And thats with every draft. There will always been an abundance of onballers where as the quality of Talls is harder to come by. for mine
Pick 1 Kreuzer
Pick 3 Morton/ before Cotchin

 

[HBF]

Might go and have a look at both of them on Sunday at Princes Park

It will be well worth the effort Gibbsy. Trust me!

 

[Silvagnis]

Kreuzer.

There is no guarantee we'll get a gun ruckman after pick one and McEvoy might not be worth pick three in this draft. There's usually an abundance of quality midfielders available in each draft, but you have to pick the ruck you need when they're there and you have two early draft picks. Leuenberger was too talented to overlook despite the fact the Lions needed a mid and have Wood, Charman and McDonald on their list.

Kreuzer might be able to play forward if we trade Fev going by the six goals he kicked the other week. I'm led to believe Kreuzer has a similar motor to Riewoldt and can run all day, but at 200 cms he'd be a bigger nightmare leading up the ground.

Nice insurance if you ask me.

Sucks to be Richmond with Richo nearing the end and they've lost a potential replacement who can cover the ground like a small man.

Even though we picked Gibbs ahead of Leuenberger last year, it'd be pretty hard to pass on that type of player when you get a second shot at one.

Who knows when we'll get another chance to pick one.

I won't curse if we overlook Kreuzer for Cotchin.

That was last year's draft.

/end of rant.

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

Kreuzer.

There is no guarantee we'll get a gun ruckman after pick one and McEvoy might not be worth pick three in this draft. There's usually an abundance of quality midfielders available in each draft, but you have to pick the ruck you need when they're there and you have two early draft picks. Leuenberger was too talented to overlook despite the fact the Lions needed a mid and have Wood, Charman and McDonald on their list.

Kreuzer might be able to play forward if we trade Fev going by the six goals he kicked the other week. I'm led to believe Kreuzer has a similar motor to Riewoldt and can run all day, but at 200 cms he'd be a bigger nightmare leading up the ground.

Nice insurance if you ask me.

Sucks to be Richmond with Richo nearing the end and they've lost a potential replacement who can cover the ground like a small man.

Even though we picked Gibbs ahead of Leuenberger last year, it'd be pretty hard to pass on that type of player when you get a second shot at one.

Who knows when we'll get another chance to pick one.

I won't curse if we overlook Kreuzer for Cotchin.

That was last year's draft.

/end of rant.

Good argument

 

[Jim Bob]

Just a quick note... I looked up Kreuzer the other day on Youtube and found a link to a 7minute snapshot of the Under 18 champs. Kevin Sheehan and Mark Doran were on it I believe. They had a chat about 6 players and provided clips. From what I saw Kreuzer looks the goods, and Palmer stood out a bit more than what Cotchin did.

Jump on and have a look and fill me in on your thoughts.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Just a quick note... I looked up Kreuzer the other day on Youtube and found a link to a 7minute snapshot of the Under 18 champs. Kevin Sheehan and Mark Doran were on it I believe. They had a chat about 6 players and provided clips. From what I saw Kreuzer looks the goods, and Palmer stood out a bit more than what Cotchin did.

Jump on and have a look and fill me in on your thoughts.

It was Sheehan and Andy Maher.

 

[big_sav]

heres the link

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iLvfLXjVJkU

 

[Dima]

Just some quick comments on the video (This is the only play that i've seen from the 2007 draft potentials)

Kreuzer looks extemely mobile for a big man, both in terms of leg speed and skills down low. He just about picked up a ball off the ground at full speed without breaking stride.

Cotchen looks to be quick and very hard at the footy. Theres too little footage to judge how good his disposal or inside ability is. Many people have said that he is in the mould of a Gary Ablett Jnr and I very much agree with that, particularly with his second efforts and hassling.

Palmer looks an absolute gem. Looks very very confident out there, not afraid to take players on or have a bounce. Not sure if he missed any that day but the highlights showed him being a pretty good kick for goal on the run, if his field kicking is also good then you would think he would go top 5 for sure.

Mcevoy looked very good in the air, pair of hands equal to fish, but we didn't really see much else. Doesn't look anywhere near as agile as Kreuzer though.

Just thought I would note that if those are Rioli's highlights, I don't see him going anywhere near top 5!

Can anyone give details about the game at Princess Park this weekend? I definitely want to see more of these guys!

I really want Kreuzer but only being able to pick up 1 of these midfielders is so painful

 

[HBF]

At the end of the day, the 2 that we get with selections #1 and #3 will be very good players.

 

[verbs]

Kreuzer looks damn good in the youtube video. 199cm and a 15+ beep test is incredible.

 

[Faz 2000]

Kreuzer looks damn good in the youtube video. 199cm and a 15+ beep test is incredible.

It is. All signs point to "awesome".

The only possible issue I can see with a Kreuzer type is whether he'll be a good enough ruckman at AFL level. Will he be big enough? Because height + pace is all well and good, but if it also comes with getting destroyed in hitouts and pushed around, it's not so valuable. I don't even want to say Keplar Bradley's name, but there is such a thing as a player who just doesn't fit at AFL level. There's a reason there's no 200cm running players at AFL level, they don't exist.

Anyways, I don't think this is the case with the Kreuz-missile. 199cm IS AFL ruck size (though if he could grow 3-4 more that would be PERFECT), and provided he doesn't lose his agility and endurance as he muscles up, he seems to project to Josh Fraser at worst, Dean Cox at best, and a great #1.

 

[Pamam]

i would hope Kreuzer is still growing and makes it to around 201cm

but i guess his stats will be measured up at draft camp and it could be possible he is already there!!

 

[swans12]

One comment, every year there are quality midfielders. The 200cm ruckman rated that highly dont come along every year.

No Brainer, take Kreuzer at one and take the best midfielder at 3.

No guarantees with anyone whether 1 or number 50.

Luenberger would probably have been selected if Gibbs never had the hype associated with him last year.

 

[blues1985]

I think ratts said he was there to see cotchin last saturday because they already new who they would take at no 1 and were looking who might they take at selection 3

 

[BlueBelle]

i would hope Kreuzer is still growing and makes it to around 201cm

but i guess his stats will be measured up at draft camp and it could be possible he is already there!!

According to my sources, Kreuzer hasn't grown in over a year

 

[Silvagnis]

According to my sources, Kreuzer hasn't grown in over a year

Kreuzer is 200 cms tall according to a poster on another forum.

 

[Jeremias]

I used to be all for taking Cotchin at pick 1 and another midfielder at pick 3 to really improve our midfield.

But the more I think about it, the more I am leaning towards taking Kruezer. Not only do we get an excellent ruck prospect, but what some maybe don't realise is that we also boost our midfield, as he can play through the middle-his agility and endurance is THAT good. I can't wait for the day that we see 2 of Kruezer, Aisake and Hammer starting in the middle of the ground. With them we have 3 extra midfielders. It's usually tough to fit more than 2 ruckmen in the same side, but IMO it's possible with these 3 as they can play different positions, and do so very well.

We should definitely go Kruezer with pick 1, and hope that the Tiggers pass on Cotchin. But if they don't, there is always Palmer/Morton/Masten and even Ebert to come under consideration.

I can just imagine it now: "And the umpire goes BANG, up goes the air conveyance, spinning spinning, Kruezer with a lovely palm down, straight down the throat of the sprinting Aisake O'hAilpin, OH look at him go! One bounce, and drills it straight down the throat of a leading Shaun Hampson, who goes back and goes BANG! Straight through the middle-centimetre perfect!"

******drool********

 

[HBF]

I can just imagine it now: "And the umpire goes BANG, up goes the air conveyance, spinning spinning, Kruezer with a lovely palm down, straight down the throat of the sprinting Aisake O'hAilpin, OH look at him go! One bounce, and drills it straight down the throat of a leading Shaun Hampson, who goes back and goes BANG! Straight through the middle-centimetre perfect!"

******drool********

Where do you see Aisake playing J?

 

[Hu$$ey]

But the more I think about it, the more I am leaning towards taking Kruezer. Not only do we get an excellent ruck prospect, but what some maybe don't realise is that we also boost our midfield, as he can play through the middle-his agility and endurance is THAT good. I can't wait for the day that we see 2 of Kruezer, Aisake and Hammer starting in the middle of the ground.

What the.......? Please elaborate.

I am no draft expert by ANY means but from what limited times I have seen Kreuzer he does not seem like a midfielder to me. He is a big lump of a lad who is exceptional in his running, both endurance and speed and gets to more contests than few ruckmen ever can. He is extremely good below his knees *for a ruckman* and has good skills (marking and kicking and all round)*for a ruckman* but his agility? I wouldn't have thought it was overly extraordinary, certainly not like Cox.

I think people are sort of getting confused, FOR A RUCKMAN he is exceptional and has great skills - that is his biggest advantage. He will be able to give us an edge over other teams' ruckmen. But are you serious he could play as a midfielder? He is good but no where near a 'pure' midfielder, he'd get carved up IMHO.

But then again I have seen very limited amount of him, maybe other more knowledgeable posters can shed more light on it.

P.s: Is it just me or is Kreuzer growing new skills and abilities every day around this side? Starts off as a Fraser type, then on to Cox, then on to Goodes, then Riewoldt and now as a midfielder?

P.P.S: No offence meant to those who have thrown about those comparisons, it's just funny reading them at once in one thread

 

[HBF]

I've seen Kreuzer about 10 times this year, and he will NOT be a ruck rover type. He'll play in the ruck, and then make his way down to the forward line. I think the reason why people are having trouble comparing him to a current AFL player is becuase there isn't anyone to compare him to. Even Cotchin has a comparison - Judd/G.Ablett

 

[Jeremias]

Where do you see Aisake playing J?

He has the agility to play anywhere IMO.

He will probably be played in the ruck, but I can seriously see him turning out to be a tough rebounding CHB capable of dashing through the centre of the ground.