MRP / Trib. Tribunal Thread - rules and offences discombobulation

[Frank Hansen II]

twice last season our players were made examples of
By the media, SPP was labelled a “POS”
And by the tribunal
SPP got 4 & zero weight was given to mitigating circumstances ie Keane was slung into his path
Houston’s bump was deemed to be perfectly legal by the officiating umpire according to the rules of the game
But somehow drew a 5 week penalty for breaching the laws of the game
And there is sadly the AFL media’s institutionalised racism shining through bright and loud, like a dog whistle for racist scum to follow and to promote
Yet one of ours is concussed and “he deserved it, there were mitigating circumstances, it’s afl touch footy, it’s a captains responsibility to make them earn it, etc etc etc and suddenly the mitigating circumstances carry weight
Then Eddie declares laws like right of way, DBJ shouldn’t have been there & Sinn was weak for being knocked out by super humanly strong islander
The afl tribunal is a complete load of shit. Jobs for the ambulance chasers. The average footy supporter could sit down with a couple of mates, drink a carton & come up with more sensible & consistent results

We also get the 'potential for injury' suspensions that no-one else seems to cop

 

[SC_Power]

Lloyd Meek gets off despite being an hour late

I think you are exaggerating just a touch….



… maybe 45 minutes…..

 

[El_Scorcho]

I think you are exaggerating just a touch….

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… maybe 45 minutes…..

It's absolutely disgraceful that a player can be this late, concuss his opponent and get nothing.

 

[GremioPower]

which is more about the intent.

Intent only matters when there a foul. If the play is legal, intent is irrelevant.

The assumption should always be that one is trying to play within the laws of the game. This assumption can be challenged only when the law is broken. It would be absolutely ridiculous otherwise.

“He wanted to hurt the opponent, but ended up playing it cleanly.” Well, lucky incompetent bastard…

“But the opponent got hurt anyway!” Well, REALLY lucky incompetent bastard (and unlucky poor fellow)…

 

[GremioPower]

It's absolutely disgraceful that a player can be this late, concuss his opponent and get nothing.

When we deserve it, I’m ok. But the inconsistency is infuriating. How can I know whether we deserved it, if similar plays are judged wildly different?

I need to use my own sense of justice every time. This feels wrong, even when I eventually agree with the ruling. It’s personally healthier to simply ignore the MRO and the Tribunal.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

If they didn't suspend Pearce , how could they suspend Meek? At least he looked like he was trying to spoil.

And yes I know the MRO suspended Pearce, but they've learned their lesson.

 

[El_Scorcho]

If they didn't suspend Pearce , how could they suspend Meek? At least he looked like he was trying to spoil.

And yes I know the MRO suspended Pearce, but they've learned their lesson.

Just waiting for a Port player to do something nowhere near as late so they can reset expectations with a nice big 5 week holiday.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Just waiting for a Port player to do something nowhere near as late so they can reset expectations with a nice big 5 week holiday.

Precedent is not an argument!

 

[RossFC]

West’s Harvey Griffiths has accepted a reprimand for striking Port’s Logan Evans at Alberton on Sunday.

 

[RossFC]

Port’s Jez McLennan has been offered a $125 fine for striking the Eagles’ Zac Buck at Alberton on Saturday.

Jez McLennan (Port) – Striking
Conduct Intentional
Impact Low
Contact Body
Base Sanction $125 Fine
Early Guilty Plea $125 Fine

 

[ClintEastwood]

It's absolutely disgraceful that a player can be this late, concuss his opponent and get nothing.

Worse than disgraceful. It's corrupt.

 

[snozulu]

McVee gets off after his bump on Richards. Not even a fine

 

[Festerz]

Port’s Jez McLennan has been offered a $125 fine for striking the Eagles’ Zac Buck at Alberton on Saturday.

Jez McLennan (Port) – Striking
Conduct Intentional
Impact Low
Contact Body
Base Sanction $125 Fine
Early Guilty Plea $125 Fine

Very lucky in the current environment.

 

[OneGreatClub]

twice last season our players were made examples of
By the media, SPP was labelled a “POS”
And by the tribunal
SPP got 4 & zero weight was given to mitigating circumstances ie Keane was slung into his path
Houston’s bump was deemed to be perfectly legal by the officiating umpire according to the rules of the game
But somehow drew a 5 week penalty for breaching the laws of the game
And there is sadly the AFL media’s institutionalised racism shining through bright and loud, like a dog whistle for racist scum to follow and to promote
Yet one of ours is concussed and “he deserved it, there were mitigating circumstances, it’s afl touch footy, it’s a captains responsibility to make them earn it, etc etc etc and suddenly the mitigating circumstances carry weight
Then Eddie declares laws like right of way, DBJ shouldn’t have been there & Sinn was weak for being knocked out by super humanly strong islander
The afl tribunal is a complete load of shit. Jobs for the ambulance chasers. The average footy supporter could sit down with a couple of mates, drink a carton & come up with more sensible & consistent results

Yeah, it stinks.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

MRO Michael Christian was on Whateley's show yesterday. If you want to listen to the whole 28 minutes the link is below, but these 3 snippets on Twitter give you an idea about how he assess things, with others at the AFL it seems, but they are never named.

He's happy with changes to tackles and his watchlist now has on it pushes in the back/side that cause injury.




You can bump, body on body is less controversial, but the hit player being in a vulnerable position and "excessive force" are still factors that could lead to a suspension.




Potential to cause injury gets you an upgrade on impact from the lower level of pain / injury a player might ended up with from a collision, compared to if the potential injury ended up happening. If is such a grey and inconsistent criteria the MRO can and has applied in the past.

 

[OneGreatClub]

No charges for Dante for the collision from the MRO

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Thank goodness sanity prevails

 

[gbear]

Thank goodness sanity prevails

And nor should he, as Saad ran into him.

 

[danman69]

Common sense prevails

Will have a few weeks rest after that high bump

Lucky you aren't on the MRP

 

[OneGreatClub]

 

[Lefti93]

Thank goodness sanity prevails

HE'S ESCAPED!!!!

 

[Waspy79]

Common sense prevails

Lucky you aren't on the MRP

Lucky Visentini

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

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They don't always publish the full explanation on the AFL website.

Glad they did this time. Mind you if they didn't and gave him a fine or a suspension they would have looked stupid.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Common sense prevails

Lucky you aren't on the MRP

Common sense isn't all that common. Thankfully it was used this time.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

MRO has sent Tom Lynch direct to the tribunal, doesn't want to give him a ruling of 4 games.

He has gone with intentional, high contact and severe impact. The severe impact is BS under basic force compared to suspensions involving concussion, but he has the used for potential damage impact clause which is fair enough.

The absence of injury does not preclude the classification of
impact as Severe.
The potential to cause injury must also be factored into the
determination of Impact, particularly in the following cases:

» I ntentional strikes, such as those with a swinging clenched fist,
raised forearm or elbow;
» High bumps, particularly with significant head contact
and/or Player momentum;
» Any head-high contact with a Player who has his head over the ball,
particularly when contact is made from an opponent approaching
from a front-on position;
» Forceful swings that make head-high contact to a Player
in a marking contest, ruck contest or when tackling;
» Any contact that occurs when the Victim Player should not
reasonably be expecting or is not reasonably prepared for
contact (i.e. contact off the ball); and
» Any dangerous tackle.

In the case of any intentional strike, strong consideration will be given
to the distance the incident occurs from the ball and the expectation
of contact of the Victim Player.
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I keep hearing in the media that this is like the Barry Hall incident and should get what Hall got. That's crap as Hall had his back to Brent Staker and took a wild huge swing and had no idea where he was going to strike Staker. Lynch aimed at the back of Butts head.

People forget that Hall didn't actually get 7 games as the starting point.

Contrite Hall outed for seven matches

Swans forward Barry Hall has been suspended for seven matches by the AFL Tribunal

www.afl.com.au

Given that tribunal chairman John Hassett "strongly" suggested to the tribunal that the Sydney Swans' key forward should receive a discount for pleading guilty, Hall's contrition probably saved him a rare double-figure suspension.
.........
The jury handed Hall 790 demerit points, which meant the seven games plus effectively another match hanging over his head for the next year in carry-over points should he re-offend.

So his starting point was about 1050 pts ie 10 games and the Tribunal panel of 3 ex players back then, listened to the chair and gave him 25% discount for an early and it ended up with 790pts.

They basically pulled the 1050 pts out of their arse as there were no guidelines for this amount of points to come up with a 7 games suspension, + enough points that if he steps a fraction out of line again in the following 12 months he will get another game. Back then carry over points lasted 12 months.

Some say he should get 8 games like Gaff, who basically got the Barry Hall 25% discount 790 pts rounded up. There were no early pleas in the Tribunal system in 2018 like in 2008. Once again this incident is different as Gaff was looking and Brayshaw and aimed at his face and hit him in his face. Lynch aimed at the back of Butts head.

The AFL will ask for at least 5, but probably 6 games.

The Connor Nash on Easter Monday swinging arm to tackle Gryan Miers

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Gryan Miers

Age

27

Ht

179cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.4

4star

K

9.1

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

15.3

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.4

4star

K

8.4

4star

HB

6.0

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.2

4star

, that left him concussed, went straight to the Tribunal. The AFL argued for 4 games, the Hawks asked for 3, Nash apologised to Myers and the Tribunal gave him 4 games.

That was graded as Careless conduct not Intentional conduct like Lynch and is the longest suspension this year. Its why I can't see him getting less than 5 games.

Here is a video of all suspensions this year up to the end of Rd 8.