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The Ghan needs to do what the Rocky Mountaineer train in the Rocky Mountains in Canada does and have domed carriages up above the train level roof, ie either double carriages or carriages where the glass dome sits above the top of the average carriage level.

In 1988 I caught the overnight train between Vancouver and Calgary. It was a 22 hour trip run by Via Rail a government run passenger train business which operated over Canada and used the tracks of Canadian Pacific (CP) - a private train company and Canadian National (CN) - a government train company. The big tower in Toronto is the CN Tower built by Canadian National on their land next to their tracks at the bottom of downtown Toronto.

My mate flew to Vancouver from Calgary as I had spent a week with a mutual friend 150km north of Vancouver and we had a couple days in Vancouver together. He bought me a ticket on Via Rail for $74 CAN. It was a heavily discounted special as it was late May and not peak season yet. We left about 4pm it was light until about 8pm. $74 bought us 2 bench seats that sat 4 but which folded out to make a bed, and a bunk bed type that dropped from the ceiling. Next day the sun came up about 6am and we went up to the dome carriage at about 6.30am, started ordering food and beers and didn't leave our seats until just before we got into Calgary at 3pm. The beers and food prices were reasonable and I was introduced in North American service standards. I had no problems tipping the waiters for this service. We were sitting effectively at the level of the top of the other carriages and had amazing views for the next 8 hours or so as the dome allowed us to see ahead of the train as well as either side.

Via Rail went broke in 1990 and a family company won the government tender to operate the passenger service and by Via's equipment. Over the next 3 years they researched heavily into what customers wanted, invested into new rail equipment and built the double decker domed carriages. They introduced the GoldLeaf service and the SilverLeaf service. The trip I did in 1988, with the views of where I was sitting now cost $2,500 CAN with food and beverages included and rather than leave at 4pm, you leave in the morning and you sleep over night in Kamloops. The SilverLeaf service is about $1,700 CAN. They have trips all around the Rockies upto to 7 days and most trips are in the $5,000 to $10,000 CAN range. They have won a shit load of train, travel and tourism awards since it introduced its GoldLeaf service in 1994. One day I will go back and do a week tour through the Rockies. If you like train travel you can find out more at https://www.rockymountaineer.com/


GoldLeaf service carriage you are sitting on the upper deck domed carriage
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SilverLeaf service you are in normal one level carriage but have decent panoramic windows

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Rocky-mountaineer-tour.jpg
 
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The Ghan needs to do what the Rocky Mountaineer train in the Rocky Mountains in Canada does and have domed carriages up above the train level roof, ie either double carriages or carriages where the glass dome sits above the top of the average carriage level.

In 1988 I caught the overnight train between Vancouver and Calgary. It was a 22 hour trip run by Via Rail a government run passenger train business which operated over Canada and used the tracks of Canadian Pacific (CP) - a private train company and Canadian National (CN) - a government train company. The big tower in Toronto is the CN Tower built by Canadian National on their land next to their tracks at the bottom of downtown Toronto.

My mate flew to Vancouver from Calgary as I had spent a week with a mutual friend 150km north of Vancouver and we had a couple days in Vancouver together. He bought me a ticket on Via Rail for $74 CAN. It was a heavily discounted special as it was late May and not peak season yet. We left about 4pm it was light until about 8pm. $74 bought us 2 bench seats that sat 4 but which folded out to make a bed, and a bunk bed type that dropped from the ceiling. Next day the sun came up about 6am and we went up to the dome carriage at about 6.30am, started ordering food and beers and didn't leave our seats until just before we got into Calgary at 3pm. The beers and food prices were reasonable and I was introduced in North American service standards. I had no problems tipping the waiters for this service. We were sitting effectively at the level of the top of the other carriages and had amazing views for the next 8 hours or so as the dome allowed us to see ahead of the train as well as either side.

Via Rail went broke in 1990 and a family company won the government tender to operate the passenger service and by Via's equipment. Over the next 3 years they researched heavily into what customers wanted, invested into new rail equipment and built the double decker domed carriages. They introduced the GoldLeaf service and the SilverLeaf service. The trip I did in 1988, with the views of where I was sitting now cost $2,500 CAN with food and beverages included and rather than leave at 4pm, you leave in the morning and you sleep over night in Kamloops. The SilverLeaf service is about $1,700 CAN. They have trips all around the Rockies upto to 7 days and most trips are in the $5,000 to $10,000 CAN range. They have won a shit load of train, travel and tourism awards since it introduced its GoldLeaf service in 1994. One day I will go back and do a week tour through the Rockies. If you like train travel you can find out more at https://www.rockymountaineer.com/


GoldLeaf service carriage you are sitting on the upper deck domed carriage
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SilverLeaf service you are in normal one level carriage but have decent panoramic windows

View attachment 449577


Rocky-mountaineer-tour.jpg

Domed carriages are great for the mountain views (I’ve been in one in Peru and I agree it really adds something) but they’re not really suitable for The Ghan because of the flat landscape and high temperatures i.e. there’d be nothing extra to see up there besides the hot sun baking your face off!
 

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The Ghan needs to do what the Rocky Mountaineer train in the Rocky Mountains in Canada does and have domed carriages up above the train level roof, ie either double carriages or carriages where the glass dome sits above the top of the average carriage level.

In 1988 I caught the overnight train between Vancouver and Calgary. It was a 22 hour trip run by Via Rail a government run passenger train business which operated over Canada and used the tracks of Canadian Pacific (CP) - a private train company and Canadian National (CN) - a government train company. The big tower in Toronto is the CN Tower built by Canadian National on their land next to their tracks at the bottom of downtown Toronto.

My mate flew to Vancouver from Calgary as I had spent a week with a mutual friend 150km north of Vancouver and we had a couple days in Vancouver together. He bought me a ticket on Via Rail for $74 CAN. It was a heavily discounted special as it was late May and not peak season yet. We left about 4pm it was light until about 8pm. $74 bought us 2 bench seats that sat 4 but which folded out to make a bed, and a bunk bed type that dropped from the ceiling. Next day the sun came up about 6am and we went up to the dome carriage at about 6.30am, started ordering food and beers and didn't leave our seats until just before we got into Calgary at 3pm. The beers and food prices were reasonable and I was introduced in North American service standards. I had no problems tipping the waiters for this service. We were sitting effectively at the level of the top of the other carriages and had amazing views for the next 8 hours or so as the dome allowed us to see ahead of the train as well as either side.

Via Rail went broke in 1990 and a family company won the government tender to operate the passenger service and by Via's equipment. Over the next 3 years they researched heavily into what customers wanted, invested into new rail equipment and built the double decker domed carriages. They introduced the GoldLeaf service and the SilverLeaf service. The trip I did in 1988, with the views of where I was sitting now cost $2,500 CAN with food and beverages included and rather than leave at 4pm, you leave in the morning and you sleep over night in Kamloops. The SilverLeaf service is about $1,700 CAN. They have trips all around the Rockies upto to 7 days and most trips are in the $5,000 to $10,000 CAN range. They have won a shit load of train, travel and tourism awards since it introduced its GoldLeaf service in 1994. One day I will go back and do a week tour through the Rockies. If you like train travel you can find out more at https://www.rockymountaineer.com/


GoldLeaf service carriage you are sitting on the upper deck domed carriage
View attachment 449575


SilverLeaf service you are in normal one level carriage but have decent panoramic windows

View attachment 449577


Rocky-mountaineer-tour.jpg

What we need in this country is affordable high speed rail between all the capital's (bar Hobart of course)
If it halved the travel time between destinations then a lot more people would use it.
 
So why support the Renegades over the Stars (or vice versa)? What is the decision making process?

The stars have a sub continent look to their uniforms, so I can see them attracting ex pats.
 
So why support the Renegades over the Stars (or vice versa)? What is the decision making process?

The stars have a sub continent look to their uniforms, so I can see them attracting ex pats.

So would the Eddie McGuire factor come into it?
 
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We have no proof and it hasn’t happened at any other stage of his career, but 4 years ago when dressed as a trasvestite vampire in a show about orgies this guy touched us.

It’s getting daft now, he may well be guilty, but the faux puritanism is grating.
 

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The heat really did get to the English yesterday Joe Root is in hospital with severe dehydration
 

When I was in Wales I wish I knew about the Welsh Highland Railway.

The Welsh Highland Railway or Rheilffordd Eryri is a 25-mile long, restored 1 ft 11 ¹⁄₂ in narrow gauge heritage railway in the Welsh county of Gwynedd, operating from Caernarfon to Porthmadog.
 

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Domed carriages are great for the mountain views (I’ve been in one in Peru and I agree it really adds something) but they’re not really suitable for The Ghan because of the flat landscape and high temperatures i.e. there’d be nothing extra to see up there besides the hot sun baking your face off!
I recently did the Ghan trip from Darwin to Adelaide and Mrs Wharfie and I both thought domed carriages similar to the ones in Canada RussellEbertHandball mentions would be better. They don't need to have the same degree of glass roof as the Canadian one as, as you say, the landscape is flat but it would give a better appreciation of the vastness of the landscape. Even some large picture windows would be an improvement.

I haven't watched the slow TV from last night yet (I have recorded it) so I don't know what they showed but the lounge car we had was one of the old 1960's Bluebird cars.

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We have no proof and it hasn’t happened at any other stage of his career, but 4 years ago when dressed as a trasvestite vampire in a show about orgies this guy touched us.

It’s getting daft now, he may well be guilty, but the faux puritanism is grating.

Really glad I saw Rocky Horror before these allegations. It just won't be anywhere near as enjoyable now - those who have seen the show will know what I mean.
 
Domed carriages are great for the mountain views (I’ve been in one in Peru and I agree it really adds something) but they’re not really suitable for The Ghan because of the flat landscape and high temperatures i.e. there’d be nothing extra to see up there besides the hot sun baking your face off!
The temperatures would be high for 4 of the 12 and the other 8 months would be fine. And you could do stuff in the 4 months that are really hot either more air-conditioning, reflective covers over the top part of the domes or have carriages with less glass for those 4 months eg like the SilverLeaf service in the Rockies.

The air shots in last night program showed that there are plenty of sections of the trip where you have lots of features out in the distance you want to see. wharfie_1870 makes the good point of wanting to experience and see the vastness of the landscape and the horizon. Do you want to do it for the full 54 hours? I'd say no but it might be great to see in in 5 or 6 x 2-4 hour blocks. The vast landscape also changes when there has been decent rains as we have seen the last few years when La Nina has been around and influencing some big storm events. Also it would be great at night. Turn down the lights in the dome carriages and look at the southern skies and see the amount of stars and planets that you don't get to see in the cities. That's something a smart operator would take advantage of and use in his/her marketing..

I looked at some of the shots that people sitting in their cabin area would be seeing and they looked pretty shitty. The bar area was better but still somewhat limited.

The Canadian family business that took over from Via Rail and set up the Rocky Mountaineer has got it right. Give people what they want, plenty of uninterrupted views on an epic scale with great service. If I can sit there and watch cricket for 6 hours so I'm sure I could watch the vastness of the outback for 6-8 hours in an airconditioned domed carriage with lots of refreshments being served.
 
What we need in this country is affordable high speed rail between all the capital's (bar Hobart of course)
If it halved the travel time between destinations then a lot more people would use it.

Say, 600km/h?

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What we need in this country is affordable high speed rail between all the capital's (bar Hobart of course)
If it halved the travel time between destinations then a lot more people would use it.
You need 'slow' money to invest in very fast trains. Ie being prepared to wait 20-30 years to get your money back and then its cream. That's how infrastructure works. But governments are hopeless these days in looking at infrastructure because the pay back for them is outside their election cycle. That's why super funds who are supposed invest for 20-40 years should get involved. Buy and own the land for the tracks and around them and get that capital appreciation for that land, pay to build the tracks and charge rent to a rail business to operate the trains, but don't charge ridiculous rents up front, wait until they become locked in as an essential service nearly everybody wants to use, then up the rents by decent amounts.
 
Fast rail will be the federal government's next major civil infrastructure network post NBN

And I'm talking post NBN as in when they sell a truly viable fibre network in 15-30 years
 
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