Universal Love TRTT Part 8: Random thoughts also sack Hinkley

[Janus]

'Climate change' is a just a trendy catch call. So much more goes in to a sustainable environmental policy. Not one of the demands made by be protesting groups goes any way to addressing the fact that many places more than a bees dick from the cities are full of empty damns.

How many of those people yesty were wearing Australian cotton?


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Or eating Australian rice when they go home for dinner.

If there's one thing that would have my support, it would be ecological terrorism involving the destruction of those big **** off dams that those companies use for water.

 

[Forzaport]

My kids are at school. This stuff is being discussed and I'm frequently being told about it.
My daughter has gone from an enthusiastic meat eater to vegetarian for ethical reasons and she's getting close to convincing me to follow

The slaughter of animals has fueled a seemingly unstoppable shift to a vegetarian diet. One day in the distant future, people will look back at meat eaters through the same lens as slave owners.

"Can you believe they used to eat animals? How barbaric! They wiped themselves with handfulls of wadded paper. If only they had the three seashells".

 

[TheFVK]

The slaughter of animals has fueled a seemingly unstoppable shift to a vegetarian diet. One day in the distant future, people will look back at meat eaters through the same lens as slave owners.

"Can you believe they used to eat animals? How barbaric! They wiped themselves with handfulls of wadded paper. If only they had the three seashells".

Mass farming of animals, breeding of livestock which spend 100% of their lives in grim, claustrophobic captivity prior to the savage yet sweet release of slaughter will certainly be looked at as barbaric, and so it should be.

 

[Grave Danger]

You can't blame the boomers for this hideous then-instead-of-than plague that's afflicting the planet nowadays...

 

[NoddyHolder]

The slaughter of animals has fueled a seemingly unstoppable shift to a vegetarian diet. One day in the distant future, people will look back at meat eaters through the same lens as slave owners.

"Can you believe they used to eat animals? How barbaric! They wiped themselves with handfulls of wadded paper. If only they had the three seashells".

Regardless of the animal welfare argument one of changes that has to happen is for the world to move to a predominantly vegetarian diet. It would help deal with so many environmental issues

 

[edgie]

What did I stumble in to a Greeny convention or something?

Eating animals is great. I'm not as big a fan of killing them but it is worth it. Has anyone here not shot something to death? Or even gone fishing?


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[edgie]

The slaughter of animals has fueled a seemingly unstoppable shift to a vegetarian diet. One day in the distant future, people will look back at meat eaters through the same lens as slave owners.

"Can you believe they used to eat animals? How barbaric! They wiped themselves with handfulls of wadded paper. If only they had the three seashells".

I'm 100% Stallone in this situation. I eat rat burger and drive petrol cars.


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[JimmyBeerCans]

I've the sudden craving for a huge juicy hamburger

 

[Del165198]

'Climate change' is a just a trendy catch call. So much more goes in to a sustainable environmental policy. Not one of the demands made by be protesting groups goes any way to addressing the fact that many places more than a bees dick from the cities are full of empty damns.

How many of those people yesty were wearing Australian cotton?


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43 I think, maybe 44. How is that relevant?

 

[Del165198]

Doctor Feel
Did you test drive an Everest at all before getting the Prado? I was looking at getting an mu-x but there's some good deals on 18 plated Everest ATM that they're trying to clear

 

[gbear]

I like meat too much to stop eating it.

 

[Andre]

Climate change is real, but it being used to push no meat eating, anti-Nuclear (WTF?), consumerism is evil etc. is the best way to show for many , is that the people pushing it most loudly (not the scientists) it’s about ideology in general. If you aren’t pro-Nuclear and willing to at least seriously look at Geo-Engineering as part of a possible solution stop pretending ‘nothing is more important’.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Doctor Feel
Did you test drive an Everest at all before getting the Prado? I was looking at getting an mu-x but there's some good deals on 18 plated Everest ATM that they're trying to clear

Nah. Was never in the market for one. Nothing could have swayed me.

 

[Del165198]

Nah. Was never in the market for one. Nothing could have swayed me.

Fair enough. I drive rangers at work and they're quite.. functional, there's just something about them I don't like. But the Everest at 47k is awfully tempting. I'd be a bit worried about the AdBlue thing though and getting stuck in the middle of nowhere, which is where 99% of my driving is

 

[elee]

I've the sudden craving for a huge juicy hamburger

yep.. i wasn;'t hungry BUT after reading this thread -- i have decided to make a hamburger

 

[elee]

Climate change is real, but it being used to push no meat eating, anti-Nuclear (WTF?), consumerism is evil etc. is the best way to show for many , is that the people pushing it most loudly (not the scientists) it’s about ideology in general. If you aren’t pro-Nuclear and willing to at least seriously look at Geo-Engineering as part of a possible solution stop pretending ‘nothing is more important’.

Your GEO-ENGINEERING mates (Chemical trails/Sprays) is what's KILLING THIS PLANET

 

[NoddyHolder]

Lol. I made myself hungry for a steak.

 

[NoddyHolder]

The planet's not big enough for 12 billion people to be eating them every day though

 

[Duck Farmer]

You can't blame the boomers for this hideous then-instead-of-than plague that's afflicting the planet nowadays...

"The earth is sweating more, then my balls <blank>"

This is the real reason Ugly Dave Gray wants to be cryogenically frozen after death.

 

[edgie]

The planet's not big enough for 12 billion people to be eating them every day though

Yep. Thank god for chickens, pigs, fish, sheep, rabbit...


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[Duck Farmer]

Your yellow-green colour blindness has the answer.

lol - you had me worried enough to do an online colour-blindness test. Apparently I can distinguish more than one million colours and I now appreciate the subtle differences between the containers enough to give Pappagallo advice to go for the Lemon Lime Sorbet.

 

[NoddyHolder]

Yep. Thank god for chickens, pigs, fish, sheep, rabbit...


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I'm not trying to convert you edgie

 

[chiwigi]

So we basically had the 70s and uh... nope, just the 70s?


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The 90’s were pretty progressive.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

We'd get a lot more done on this planet without whinging vegetarians.

 

[chiwigi]

Read this letter sent to parents on Tuesday from a headmaster at a Sydney private school, regarding tomorrow's School Strike 4 Climate

Damn these Year Elevens. They come into my office asking me to support the climate strike. They tell me that it is their planet too and that they should be able to protest about what is the most important issue of their lives. They ask whether the school will stand up for them.

I don’t want to catch the political nuclear-grade hot potato that is the climate ‘debate’. I have a strategic plan on education to write and a Council retreat to prepare for. As well, I have always prided myself on being able to teach current affairs without my classes being able to work out which way I would vote in an election. I stay neutral and allow all points of view – sometimes to a fault. And, anyway, I am not a scientist.

But these kids say that they are probably going to live into the 22nd century and they are terrified about tipping points and a runaway greenhouse effect. They say that the climate science is overwhelming. They say that leaders in my generation are not doing anywhere near enough about it.

Heavily I consult my own conscience about climate science.

We teach our kids in Year Seven that the scientific method, whilst not irrefutable, is the best thing we have to work out physical truths about the world. We teach them that when there is a consensus amongst almost all reliable scientists, then they are probably right.

To prepare for the meeting with these Year Elevens, I have read the beginning of the 2014 report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (the ‘IPCC’ – a pretty reliable group of scientists). Their chief point is that that human-made effects are extremely likely to have been the dominant cause of the observed global warming since the mid-20th century (SPM 1.2, p4). When they say ‘very likely’ they mean with 95–99% confidence.

Even more strikingly, the IPCC say ‘continued emission of greenhouse gases will cause further warming and long-lasting changes in all components of the climate system, increasing the likelihood of severe, pervasive and irreversible impacts for people and ecosystems.’ That’s severe, pervasive and irreversible impacts for the kids sitting in front of me – as well as my own children.

I think that accepting the reality of climate science is different to expressing political views. It’s a (pretty settled) opinion about a fact, not an opinion of evaluation. The IPCC may all be wrong in some bizarre mass hallucination or corrupt stitch-up job, but I very much doubt it.

But another climate strike?

I ask what’s going to happen when they want to march about immigration or abortion or any other issue. What’s to stop them marching out for that? They say I am committing a ‘slippery slope fallacy’ (damn those critical thinking lessons we teach them) and that climate change is different in kind to any of these issues because it affects the lives of everyone. Anyway, they say, all these other issues have all been prominent since the last climate change march and there have not been any student marches.

I point out the lessons that students everywhere will be missing – that they all need to be in school to get an education. They say to me that the very vision of Newington is for boys to make an active and positive difference in the world. Going on a march for climate fits the school’s vision better than one more regular day around the classrooms, they tell me. (Damn the school’s vision – I should have seen that one coming).

Why not Saturday? I say. Show your commitment that way. ‘It’s not a strike if it’s on a Saturday’ they say. They get passionate now. They say they have no voice, no vote, that those in power have deserted their generation. They say all that they can do to be heard is to stop doing the thing the government expects them to do that day – going to school.

This isn’t going well. What about ‘slacktivism’ I ask – kids who don’t care and just want to skip out of class. But they are ready for this one too. One of the boys says that he went to the previous march and that everyone he met was committed. Then they say that it is a chicken and egg argument – that going to a march is what will make some kids care passionately and then do more about it. (Damn those critical thinking lessons again). They point out that they have put their own money where their mouth is. They run the school’s sustainability and recycling groups.

They point out that the NSW and ACT Synod of the Uniting Church – the church with which we are affiliated – has supported the strikes. (Hmmm… damning the Uniting Church is going to be tricky). If the church can do it, why can’t their own school? they say.

I’d rather they went away. I’d rather get back to the school’s strategic plan and the Council retreat. But these kids are passionate, they are smart and they have thought it through. They have put their money where their mouths are and they are scared about their future. Students who have shown they care about this should be able to march about it. If their parents have allowed them to be absent to go to the strike, then the least we can do is give them the school’s support too.

Damn these Year Elevens. Because they’re right.

STATEMENT ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY, CLIMATE SCIENCE AND THE CLIMATE STRIKE.

Newington College encourages our boys to act positively through our Sustainability Group and school recycling programs. We engage in sustainable practices such as installing solar panels, recycling, efficient building management systems and grey water reuse. However, there is always more that we can do. We plan to focus on further measures such as food and packaging waste and upgrading plant to more efficient systems in our 2020–2025 Strategic Plan.

Newington College also accepts the reality of climate science. We consider that climate change caused by humans is an urgent issue, particularly for young people. We understand the importance of student critical thinking and student voice in addressing this singularly important issue. We thus support the decision of our boys whose parents have given them permission to be absent to represent their views about climate change at the climate march on 20 September.