Universal Love TRTT Part 8: Random thoughts also sack Hinkley

[TheFVK]

It's easy to protest when you're not sacrificing anything but time for one day out of the year. The people who protested against things like the war in Vietnam and burnt their draft cards were risking being arrested and jailed for doing so. Norman Morrison doused himself in kerosene and set himself alight, dying in protest against the US involvement in that conflict. People bombed buildings and did all sorts of insane s**t to get their message heard.

It's when these kids are told by their parents that they can't afford to send them to university because the new climate change tax has made a massive dent in their savings and that they won't be buying them anymore smartphones or the other latest gadget etc because they are all made by factories in a country that produces most of the world's CO2 (China) that you'll see how much they actually care.

Don't tell me what you want. Show me what you're willing to sacrifice for it.

The fact we live in a world where the youth are reliant on adults to purchase their education and smartphones is exactly what's wrong with the world.

Older generations have spawned kidlets into a poisoned pond of their own making.

 

[KenGaveUsWhatHeDeserved]

Need more love in the world. Kumbaya.

I don't think of want to be living in Sweden

Swedish News Crew Stoned While Covering Mosque Project in Migrant District

A Swedish news team says they were targeted by stone throwers while filming a report at the site of a planned Islamic center in Uppsala.Journalists with national broadcaster SVT were in the Stenhagen district of Uppsala, known for its heavy migrant population, to interview members of the Dawa...

europe.infowars.com

 

[bomberclifford]

 

[Forzaport]

...I mean we did just have 300,000 people turn up for marches across the country to strike for climate action. To borrow a phrase, the kids are alright.

When these kids give up air conditioning, video games, meat & electricity in the evenings, then I’ll believe they’re serious about climate action. They know nothing of the consequences of their demands.

Alternatively, they could have all their modern luxuries if they adopt a pro-nuclear stance which is the best form of climate action currently available and will meet the energy demands of a high tech future.

 

[Butters Made Me Do It]

When these kids give up air conditioning, video games, meat & electricity in the evenings, then I’ll believe they’re serious about climate action.

They don’t care about convincing you because what a waste of time trying that would be

 

[Forzaport]

They don’t care about convincing you because what a waste of time trying that would be

Yeah, improve society! How?

 

[Butters Made Me Do It]

Teenagers know what concern trolling is

 

[Del165198]

When these kids give up air conditioning, video games, meat & electricity in the evenings, then I’ll believe they’re serious about climate action. They know nothing of the consequences of their demands.

Alternatively, they could have all their modern luxuries if they adopt a pro-nuclear stance which is the best form of climate action currently available and will meet the energy demands of a high tech future.

Lots of kids/young people have made those choices. Our actions as individuals are ultimately pretty futile though if there's no political will behind it to change the system. Which was the whole point of the protest. Surprised that went over your head.

A good proportion of them probably agree that nuclear is part of the transition away from fossil fuels. It's not the magic bullet you make it out to be though.

 

[Forzaport]

Lots of kids/young people have made those choices. Our actions as individuals are ultimately pretty futile though if there's no political will behind it to change the system. Which was the whole point of the protest. Surprised that went over your head.

A good proportion of them probably agree that nuclear is part of the transition away from fossil fuels. It's not the magic bullet you make it out to be though.

There’s plenty of political will to change the system, otherwise we wouldn’t have 15% power generation from renewables, the government wouldn’t be conducting a review into advanced nuclear technologies and we wouldn’t be shutting down coal fired plants.

The protests won’t achieve anything because what they were protesting for is already happening globally. Children are being used as pawns to promote climate alarmism (a method known as pedophrasty) which is a morally bankrupt activity by their irresponsible parents.

If nuclear isn’t the magic bullet, what’s your solution to fix the climate? Do you even have one?

 

[Handsome_Jack]

There’s plenty of political will to change the system, otherwise we wouldn’t have 15% power generation from renewables (1) , the government wouldn’t be conducting a review into advanced nuclear technologies and we wouldn’t be shutting down coal fired plants.

The protests won’t achieve anything because what they were protesting for is already happening globally (2). Children are being used as pawns to promote climate alarmism (a method known as pedophrasty) which is a morally bankrupt activity by their irresponsible parents (3).

If nuclear isn’t the magic bullet, what’s your solution to fix the climate? Do you even have one? (4)

1) No-where near enough to present catastrophic change on a scale that will kill billions

2) No it isn't. That is the point, very few countries on the planet if any can be said to be doing enough and even having a serious enough discussion around the issue to do enough in time

3) This is just something that makes no sense, kids cant be concerned about the state of the planet THEY are going to inheret and have to live on without it being parental manipulation? That doesn't really square with the fact it's often these kids who care about this issue and not the parents. Also, climate alarmism? How can you not be alarmed, the effects are already being felt and the science is indisputable the only way you cant see that is if you dont want to.

4) Holding companies, agriculture and governments actually accountable for their emissions, pollution and decimation of the environment maybe? Believe it or not but people using gadgets at night isn't ACTUALLY the gigantic wedge of the problem you made it out to be. Nuclear can be part of the solution and many people at the Adelaide strike at least were advocating loudly for it, but ideally we need to pair it with safer and more sustainable sources such as solar, wind and water power backed up with batteries. It's a problem we have the tools for it just requires investment.

 

[bomberclifford]

Children are being used as pawns to promote climate alarmism (a method known as pedophrasty) which is a morally bankrupt activity by their irresponsible parents.

High school students were the majority at these marches. I don’t think they were being used as pawns by anyone. They’re the most informed generation of that age in history, they just need the guidance of wiser heads to achieve their goals.

That’s where Gen X comes into it.

 

[Forzaport]

1) No-where near enough to present catastrophic change on a scale that will kill billions.

I call bullshit. Get informed.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Grave Danger, Power Raid and other Perth based Port fans, what is the story behind this 3 or 4 year old sculpture down by the docks at Freo? Just some gay wharfie wanting to pay homage to shipping containers, or just something completely different.

 

[Handsome_Jack]

I call bulls**t. Get informed.

Typo, what I meant was prevent

I dont see how that be argued as a point? People are already dying in extreme weather events more frequently than ever before and being displaced from their homes and we haven't even began to feel the worst of even a 2C rise in global temperature. It's not just immediate fatalities you have to consider though, its war and conflict over resource, massive influxes of displaced 'climate refugees' overwhelming safer countries, food scarcity and clean water shortages (especially in countries like that where that is a concern already)

 

[Janus]

High school students were the majority at these marches. I don’t think they were being used as pawns by anyone. They’re the most informed generation of that age in history, they just need the guidance of wiser heads to achieve their goals.

That’s where Gen X comes into it.

Those children are a product of the society they live in. They have been pushed down a certain path by the very Gen X you are talking about.

Being informed means knowing both sides of the argument past what someone tells you and then reaching your own conclusion.

I would call them the most played generation in history, because I doubt any of them have actually listened to the other side of the argument. Most problems stem from not being able to see the point of view of others.

 

[Grave Danger]

Grave Danger, Power Raid and other Perth based Port fans, what is the story behind this 3 or 4 year old sculpture down by the docks at Freo? Just some gay wharfie wanting to pay homage to shipping containers, or just something completely different.



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Just Freo things...


"Rainbow slammed together seemingly incongruous elements of the commercial port and the dreamy, counter-culture symbolism of the rainbow.

The result was “110 per cent Freo, over-the-top fun and frivolous while remaining resonant and rich with deeper references,"

Sea-container rainbow to greet Freo visitors

Shades of the sea in large entry statement going up in port city.

thewest.com.au

 

[Forzaport]

High school students were the majority at these marches. I don’t think they were being used as pawns by anyone. They’re the most informed generation of that age in history, they just need the guidance of wiser heads to achieve their goals.

That’s where Gen X comes into it.

They have the most access to information in history but it's a big stretch to claim they're the most informed. Argument could be made that they're the most misinformed given how much false information exists in the mainstream.

 

[Del165198]

They have the most access to information in history but it's a big stretch to claim they're the most informed. Argument could be made that they're the most misinformed given how much false information exists in the mainstream.

You mean like the Murdoch press pushing an agenda that everything is hunky dory?

 

[bomberclifford]

Those children are a product of the society they live in.

As are we all.

They have been pushed down a certain path by the very Gen X you are talking about.

Gen X don’t push anything. We don’t have the numbers.

The prevailing systemic inertia is wholly a result of the boomer generation’s unprecedented time at the wheel and they don’t want to let go.

Being informed means knowing both sides of the argument past what someone tells you and then reaching your own conclusion.

Yes?

Not sure what you’re suggesting here but the collective conclusion they’ve reached is that things need to change quicker than they are. I agree with them.

 

[Del165198]

Those children are a product of the society they live in. They have been pushed down a certain path by the very Gen X you are talking about.

Being informed means knowing both sides of the argument past what someone tells you and then reaching your own conclusion.

I would call them the most played generation in history, because I doubt any of them have actually listened to the other side of the argument. Most problems stem from not being able to see the point of view of others.

On climate change there is no other side of the argument. The argument has been smashed to bits decades ago.

Should we give flat earthers a platform too? What about holocaust deniers?

There's no point arguing about facts.

Climate deniers at this point are using an argument based of faith and belief and their own value system. Which does not equate with facts. That's why people are so ****ing angry.

 

[Janus]

It’s funny that these kids are screaming about change before 2030.

Back in 1992, Agenda 21 was ratified by a whole bunch of countries and its target was 2030.

The next decade is end game for the human race. I’m reminded of the prophecy of Thoth:

“They will no longer love this world around us, this incomparable work of God, this glorious structure which he has built, this sum of good made up of things of many diverse forms, this instrument whereby the will of God operates in that which be has made, ungrudgingly favouring man's welfare, this combination and accumulation of all the manifold things that can call forth the veneration, praise, and love of the beholder.

Darkness will be preferred to light, and death will be thought more profitable than life; no one will raise his eyes to heaven ; the pious will be deemed insane, and the impious wise; the madman will be thought a brave man, and the wicked will be esteemed as good. As to the soul, and the belief that it is immortal by nature, or may hope to attain to immortality, as I have taught you, all this they will mock at, and will even persuade themselves that it is false., No word of reverence or piety, no utterance worthy of heaven and of the gods of heaven, will be heard or believed.

And so the gods will depart from mankind, a grievous thing!, and only evil angels will remain, who will mingle with men, and drive the poor wretches by main force into all manner of reckless crime, into wars, and robberies, and frauds, and all things hostile to the nature of the soul. Then will the earth no longer stand unshaken, and the sea will bear no ships; heaven will not support the stars in their orbits, nor will the stars pursue their constant course in heaven; all voices of the gods will of necessity be silenced and dumb; the fruits of the earth will rot; the soil will turn barren, and the very air will sicken in sullen stagnation. After this manner will old age come upon the world. Religion will be no more; all things will be disordered and awry; all good will disappear.

But when all this has befallen, Asclepius, then the Master and Father, God, the first before all, the maker of that god who first came into being, will look on that which has come to pass, and will stay the disorder by the counterworking of his will, which is the good. He will call back to the right path those who have gone astray; he will cleanse the world from evil, now washing it away with waterfloods, now burning it out with fiercest fire, or again expelling it by war and pestilence. And thus he will bring back his world to its former aspect, so that the Kosmos will once more be deemed worthy of worship and wondering reverence, and God, the maker and restorer of the mighty fabric, will be adored by the men of that day with unceasing hymns of praise and blessing. Such is the new birth of the Kosmos; it is a making again of all things good, a holy and awe-striking restoration of all nature; and it is wrought in the process of time by the eternal will of God. For Gods will has no beginning; it is ever the same, and as it now is, even so it has ever been, without beginning. For it is the very being of God to purpose good.”

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

None of it matters the human race has an innate desire to exterminate itself & it's surroundings.

 

[dirty2]

None of it matters the human race has an innate desire to exterminate itself & it's surroundings.

And the earth will be better off without us..

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

And the earth will be better off without us..

It will become uninhabitable no matter what any generation does.

 

[Forzaport]

Typo, what I meant was prevent

I dont see how that be argued as a point? People are already dying in extreme weather events more frequently than ever before and being displaced from their homes and we haven't even began to feel the worst of even a 2C rise in global temperature. It's not just immediate fatalities you have to consider though, its war and conflict over resource, massive influxes of displaced 'climate refugees' overwhelming safer countries, food scarcity and clean water shortages (especially in countries like that where that is a concern already)

The earth's population is much higher these days and we are now able to quantify deaths far better than in the past so even if the effects of climate change were removed, you would still have increased deaths due to extreme weather. The frequency of extreme weather events is still weather, it's not climate, this is the same as a cool summer being weather and not climate. While increases in global temperature increase the risk of people being displaced from their homes, other areas become arable - I'm not sure a 2 degree temperature increase is viewed as a bad thing overall. The issue is if temperatures continue to rise beyond that and the available science offers no conclusive proof that it will. Climate models that give worst case scenarios base those worst cases on coal being the majority source of energy generation, which simply won't be the case decades from now.

2) No it isn't. That is the point, very few countries on the planet if any can be said to be doing enough and even having a serious enough discussion around the issue to do enough in time

There is a global shift away from fossil fuels and towards nuclear. China is a world leader in building nuclear plants as well as solar panels.

3) This is just something that makes no sense, kids cant be concerned about the state of the planet THEY are going to inheret and have to live on without it being parental manipulation? That doesn't really square with the fact it's often these kids who care about this issue and not the parents. Also, climate alarmism? How can you not be alarmed, the effects are already being felt and the science is indisputable the only way you cant see that is if you dont want to.

The science is very disputable. Climate modeling in particular has been a disaster for climate research.

4) Holding companies, agriculture and governments actually accountable for their emissions, pollution and decimation of the environment maybe? Believe it or not but people using gadgets at night isn't ACTUALLY the gigantic wedge of the problem you made it out to be. Nuclear can be part of the solution and many people at the Adelaide strike at least were advocating loudly for it, but ideally we need to pair it with safer and more sustainable sources such as solar, wind and water power backed up with batteries. It's a problem we have the tools for it just requires investment.

This is known as a social contract. It's why VW got smashed a few years ago and why coal power plants no longer get built. The best way to hold governments and companies accountable is with your vote and your patronage. I'm 100% for clean energy from any source that can do the job.