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JustaBattler said:
Well there ya go - two Carlton supporters looking at the same incident come up with two different interpretations - no wonder umps have a hard time of it in officiating AFL- it isnt the umps -- it is the stupid AFL rules it is a structural fact of life , part of teh rich fabric of
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JustaBattler said:
have a close look at that video - as in a real close look...Cripps didn't deserve a free - all he did was drag his 'tagger' and fall into another Norfs player, spread-eagle himself on the ground with no Norfs blokes on him and get up and appeal for a free - he needs to change his tactics with taggers AND umps....we've already got Murph for the flop around and beg for a free role at Carlton.
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If you zoom in and watch closely, IMHO it should be a free kick to Cripps. Anderson’s arm goes around Cripps neck and another player from North blocks Cripps ability to contest the ball. Bewildering! Furthermore, the manner in which the holding the ball rule is being umpired is farcical at the moment.
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thylacine60 - give it up.
Umpires have ‘agendas’ and ‘rule of the week’ set by the AFL. This believe it or not is fact.
They are also biased like standard supporters towards teams and players they dislike. This is also human nature.
How do I know? I’ve actually spoken to an ex-umpire and please don’t ask me who!
Sorry to spoil your fun. End of my discussion on this matter.
 
honestly, I thought yesterday was poor for both.

They got unlimited instant HTB and holding on, where we didn't, however we received two encroaching 50m penalties where they missed 2 of ours. We received a trip/taking legs out, they didn't when Jones did it to their forward. We received a shot at goal overturned.

The problem was not that umps were against us... it was really poorly umpired game

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Cripptonite said:
How anyone can defend these muppets after yesterday is beyond me. Tried their best to drag North over the line all day.

We have been crucified five games in a row now starting with the * game. It’s getting beyond ridiculous.

-Apparently you can smash someone studs up if he is wearing navy blue (would be a straight red in soccer).
-Some of the bullshit frees in front of North’s goal were beyond a joke. (Plowman HTB with zero opportunity, Mahoney diving to insinuate in the back against Simmo, some sort of interference by Murphy against Bailey Scott)
-That sequence of deliberate calls against Doc and then non-call for North.
-North received every 50/50 free
-Holding Cripps at every opportunity is allowed now

It’s a credit to our boys for hanging on the way they did.
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Plowman had a chance because he had one arm pinged and the other arm was free. Perfect tackle and always holding the ball.

Doc's first deliberate was a free kick and the 2nd one is always 50/50. I think he wanted to boundary and didn't know casboult was leading up

North received every 50/50 free..[emoji849]....maybe try watching with both eyes open

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slashin_velvet said:
It seems to have crept into our team a lot in recent weeks and it's not a great look. Also if our players appeal to the umps too much, they may not pick out the 50/50 calls as much because they get the impression we are playing for free kicks.

I'm inclined to say the umpires need to let the game flow better - 56 frees in a shortened game is too many for mine.
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How many free kicks is a good number? Just so we know once that number is reached there are no more free kicks for the rest of the match

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SurreyBlue said:
thylacine60 - give it up.
Umpires have ‘agendas’ and ‘rule of the week’ set by the AFL. This believe it or not is fact.
They are also biased like standard supporters towards teams and players they dislike. This is also human nature.
How do I know? I’ve actually spoken to an ex-umpire and please don’t ask me who!
Sorry to spoil your fun. End of my discussion on this matter.
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Cool story bro

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Bennyboy7777 said:
If you zoom in and watch closely, IMHO it should be a free kick to Cripps. Anderson’s arm goes around Cripps neck and another player from North blocks Cripps ability to contest the ball. Bewildering! Furthermore, the manner in which the holding the ball rule is being umpired is farcical at the moment.
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Appreciate your work there, image one is pretty blatant Norths arm across Cripps neck - did the ump actually see this - who knows I dont...if the ump had the benefit of seeing it and not acting - then I think legitimate questions should/could be asked - but we don't know - all we see is what the camera shows- that isn't the same as what the ump sees...


- but again - the images can be read / seen differently depending on the viewer's angle and also the timing of the whole scene - for example

in the second image it is pretty clear that Cripps left arm is draped over the Norths player whilst the Norths player seems to be grabbing a fistful of Cripps shirt - which one would the ump penalize in this situation and why? and that is assuming the ump has eyes on the interplay whilst the ruckman are going at it and whilst the other pairings are going at it..

my point is everything is happening helter-skelter and the umps have to interpret not only the rules but also be able to take in the whole set of spaced contests around the contest all at a very fast speed....

There is no way an ump can adjudicate all this mess and be consistent between contests and then have the other 2 umps being consistent with each other all the time....

smarter on-ball play is the on-ball teams decision as to how to set up each pairing of players a fair amount of responsiobility in managing the contests lies in the hands of the playersand the deciosns they make...which have to take in consideration where the umpire is and what he is looking at at any point in time...

look I've never played AFL - buy I have played pretty decent levels of rugby as a tight head front rower - the mauls and rucks in that game are a bit more nasty than AFL or can be - and it is pretty trite coaching for rugby blokes to be aware of when and where to do or not to do what needs to be done -cant see how AFL is any different really in this regard

However all that said- I do believe that right now Crippws isnt going about ensuring the umps are looking at how he is being tagged well enough...I could be wrong - maybe the CLub needs to send a bunch of video into AFL HQ and ask the question...
 
FRUMPY said:
How many free kicks is a good number? Just so we know once that number is reached there are no more free kicks for the rest of the match

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Weve been averaging 34 per game until this week.....
 

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FRUMPY said:
So 34 is your number? No more to be laid after that?

If there are only 15 frees to 3/4 time do we expect 19 in the last qtr?

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Of course I'm not suggesting a cap, you're throwing that rediculous straw man out there

I am saying that a much higher than average count is worthy of review to understand why, and whether the umpires from that game are over officiating
 
slashin_velvet said:
Of course I'm not suggesting a cap, you're throwing that rediculous straw man out there

I am saying that a much higher than average count is worthy of review to understand why, and whether the umpires from that game are over officiating
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Maybe both clubs were sloppy. Compare the way we played yesterday to the game against port, totally different. We were very sloppy with the ball and just as sloppy giving away free kicks.

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GordonBlue said:
honestly, I thought yesterday was poor for both.

They got unlimited instant HTB and holding on, where we didn't, however we received two encroaching 50m penalties where they missed 2 of ours. We received a trip/taking legs out, they didn't when Jones did it to their forward. We received a shot at goal overturned.

The problem was not that umps were against us... it was really poorly umpired game

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The overturned shot at goal was the correct decision.

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Stamos said:
Murphy should have got a free anyway, got hit high in the marking contest.
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do you recall any free kicks that in your assessment were ok? for either side?
 
Crows v *** game had quite a few HTB, incorrect disposal, dropping the ball decions that were clearly there but not paid... some were so obvious that it makes you wonder how these simple decisions are not being recognized and paid...

over majority of the games noticed a lot players that have disposed of the ball being held down in tackles or held on too far to long Illegally..

clear illegal shoves/hands in the back to players playing in front in marking contests are going unoticEd...

That’s all...
 

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