Umpiring

[Livonski]

People won't like what I'm about to say, but Razor made the correct decision here to pay the free kick against Bolton BASED ON THE CURRENT AFL RULES.

Razor has a clear view of Bolton grabbing Webster's jumper, and like Ray says in the video, he can only pay what he sees. Clearly, the grabbing of Bolton's jumper isn't visible to Ray from the position he is in, and you can't expect Ray to have a vew of this side of the contest. The 50 is self explanatory, and you can only blame Bolton for not knowing the rules in this area.

There is no easy fix for this kind of situation where an umpire can't see what is happening on the other side of the contest, and you can't expect umpires to be guessing that the opposition is also doing something that warrants a free kick. Otherwise, you have genuine cases of umpire's guessing.

The only solution that I can think of is to have boundary umpires being able to communicate with the on-field umpires if the on-field umpire is blind-sided, but the boundary umpire has a clear view of what is happening.

Fine.
Then pay 50 for every dissent. Ffs mate, that’s the problem.
Hawkins runs at the umpire yelling and screaming with his arms akimbo….nuthin.
Pay them all or pay none.

 

[TheOptimum18]

Fine.
Then pay 50 for every dissent. Ffs mate, that’s the problem.
Hawkins runs at the umpire yelling and screaming with his arms akimbo….nuthin.
Pay them all or pay none.

The 50 paid against Bolton was for pointing at the screen.

Players are told explicitly that they can't point at the screen within the ground when speaking with the umps.

I'm pretty sure every occassion where a player has pointed at the screen and talked with the umpire as if asking them to look up has been paid a 50m.

It had nothing to do with being demonstrative or showing dissent the usual way of yelling and screaming at the ump.

 

[TheOptimum18]

Or maybe remove the holding free altogether as it's a rule that appears to be more and more perception based. If the holding rule was removed when both players have their arms around each other it would simply become a matter of strength and body positioning rather than umpire guesswork or subjective perceptions. Not saying it would be an ideal scenario but perhaps it would safe a few frees against us every week.

They won't cause removing the rule altogether means that players can take their eyes off the ball and just hold someone out of a marking contest.

 

[RJK Tiger]

The 50 paid against Bolton was for pointing at the screen.

Players are told explicitly that they can't point at the screen within the ground when speaking with the umps.

I'm pretty sure every occassion where a player has pointed at the screen and talked with the umpire as if asking them to look up has been paid a 50m.

It had nothing to do with being demonstrative or showing dissent the usual way of yelling and screaming at the ump.

Then that is stupid & not something that people were lead to believe the rule was being brought in for.

It was sold to the public that it was to set standards for kids & protect volunteer umpires at grass-root levels. What Hawkins does running towards an ump, yelling & waving his arms around is far more demonstrative behaviour than pointing at a screen in a fairly controlled way? I mean, kids at grassroots are not going to copy the behaviour considering they have no screen to point to≥

The game needs to accept that due to constant 1cm adjustments, the game & some of its rule have became ****ing dumb. They need todo what Star Wars did - just come in and say "all these rules are not canon anymore - ****off. This is the new rules". But Not have a Kathleen Kennedy type - someone good

 

[Truetiger]

The 50 paid against Bolton was for pointing at the screen.

Players are told explicitly that they can't point at the screen within the ground when speaking with the umps.

I'm pretty sure every occassion where a player has pointed at the screen and talked with the umpire as if asking them to look up has been paid a 50m.

It had nothing to do with being demonstrative or showing dissent the usual way of yelling and screaming at the ump.

If we are going to get done for dissent, atleast use sarcasm and tell em it was a good decision lol. Nope still 50m.

 

[DickieKnee]

im not one for conspiracy theories about the AFL specifically having it out for us

i do find it funny that collingwood got the rough end of the pineapple once vs adelaide a few weeks ago and the entire football media was up in arms and the afl even came out and appologised for getting some decisions wrong.

could you imagine if collingwood played a game and at 3 quarter time the free kick count was 3 to 16?

I was listening to the radio yesterday and they were discussing Rohan knocking out Cameron and how accidents will happen in football. They brought up the Sicily tackle he got suspended for how it being an accidental concussion same as Cameron. Absolutely no mention of Mansell's suspension.

 

[Grrr]

The 50 paid against Bolton was for pointing at the screen.

Players are told explicitly that they can't point at the screen within the ground when speaking with the umps.

I'm pretty sure every occassion where a player has pointed at the screen and talked with the umpire as if asking them to look up has been paid a 50m.

It had nothing to do with being demonstrative or showing dissent the usual way of yelling and screaming at the ump.

Well that explains how nonsensical the whole thing is. What looks worse, or what is worse for the umps, for some player to gently suggest he looks at the screen as Bolton did, or have some raving Hawkins gesticulating wildly.

 

[SunshineBoy]

Or maybe remove the holding free altogether as it's a rule that appears to be more and more perception based. If the holding rule was removed when both players have their arms around each other it would simply become a matter of strength and body positioning rather than umpire guesswork or subjective perceptions. Not saying it would be an ideal scenario but perhaps it would safe a few frees against us every week.

When was the last time we got a holding free?

 

[SunshineBoy]

People won't like what I'm about to say, but Razor made the correct decision here to pay the free kick against Bolton BASED ON THE CURRENT AFL RULES.

Razor has a clear view of Bolton grabbing Webster's jumper, and like Ray says in the video, he can only pay what he sees. Clearly, the grabbing of Bolton's jumper isn't visible to Ray from the position he is in, and you can't expect Ray to have a vew of this side of the contest. The 50 is self explanatory, and you can only blame Bolton for not knowing the rules in this area.

There is no easy fix for this kind of situation where an umpire can't see what is happening on the other side of the contest, and you can't expect umpires to be guessing that the opposition is also doing something that warrants a free kick. Otherwise, you have genuine cases of umpire's guessing.

The only solution that I can think of is to have boundary umpires being able to communicate with the on-field umpires if the on-field umpire is blind-sided, but the boundary umpire has a clear view of what is happening.

I’m pretty sure you came up with this on Facebook , how is job as HRManager at the umps association ?

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Fine.
Then pay 50 for every dissent. Ffs mate, that’s the problem.
Hawkins runs at the umpire yelling and screaming with his arms akimbo….nuthin.
Pay them all or pay none.

Difficult one here...is having one's arms akimbo...dissent?!? Yelling at the Umpire ...is dissent!

 

[DickieKnee]

Difficult one here...is having one's arms akimbo...dissent?!? Yelling at the Umpire ...is dissent!

The thing is they were paying dissent early in the year for someone shrugging their shoulders or questioning the umps in any manner. Porkins does far worse on a weekly basis and has never been penalised.

 

[STRONGandBALD]

Although we get screwed over some of our players need a little more discipline. Don’t know about you guys but I find myself always yelling at the TV cause Bolton gave away a 50 for dissent. Like shut the f up. The umps are just waiting for us to do that.

 

[Hans Klopek]

You are all full of it. We are just not as disciplined as other teams, pure and simple. Look how disciplined the future Premiers are with 10 seconds to go and up by two points.

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[TheOptimum18]

I’m pretty sure you came up with this on Facebook , how is job as HRManager at the umps association ?

Well then genius. Why don't you explain how Ray Chamberlain should judge a contest where he clearly sees Bolton grab Webster's jumper (because that is the side of the contest that Ray has direct line of view of), but he can't see Webster grabbing Bolton's jumper (because it occurs on the otherside of the contest, and I don't know, maybe he can't see through Bolton and Webster's bodies).

 

[Truetiger]

Well then genius. Why don't you explain how Ray Chamberlain should judge a contest where he clearly sees Bolton grab Webster's jumper (because that is the side of the contest that Ray has direct line of view of), but he can't see Webster grabbing Bolton's jumper (because it occurs on the otherside of the contest, and I don't know, maybe he can't see through Bolton and Webster's bodies).

That's why they brought in the 4th umpire is it not to fix this. How's that working out for you AFL.

 

[SunshineBoy]

Well then genius. Why don't you explain how Ray Chamberlain should judge a contest where he clearly sees Bolton grab Webster's jumper (because that is the side of the contest that Ray has direct line of view of), but he can't see Webster grabbing Bolton's jumper (because it occurs on the otherside of the contest, and I don't know, maybe he can't see through Bolton and Webster's bodies).

12 umpires on the ground and all unsighted genius

 

[Livonski]

The 50 paid against Bolton was for pointing at the screen.

Players are told explicitly that they can't point at the screen within the ground when speaking with the umps.

I'm pretty sure every occassion where a player has pointed at the screen and talked with the umpire as if asking them to look up has been paid a 50m.

It had nothing to do with being demonstrative or showing dissent the usual way of yelling and screaming at the ump.

So now the definition of dissent pointing at the screen?
Yelling and running at the umpire with arms out is not?
Give it a spell mate. It’s becoming clear who you’re barracking for.

 

[SunshineBoy]

So now the definition of dissent pointing at the screen?
Yelling and running at the umpire with arms out is not?
Give it a spell mate. It’s becoming clear who you’re barracking for.

Thanks for the support he plays the man a fair bit , must PeterSassegum

 

[SunshineBoy]

You are all full of it. We are just not as disciplined as other teams, pure and simple. Look how disciplined the future Premiers are with 10 seconds to go and up by two points.

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One of those two free kicks is reportable if I read my rules correctly but they are disciplined

 

[Tiges1229]

The thing is they were paying dissent early in the year for someone shrugging their shoulders or questioning the umps in any manner. Porkins does far worse on a weekly basis and has never been penalised.

JHF from port told an umpire to **** off and no 50 was given against him

 

[SunshineBoy]

JHF from port told an umpire to * off and no 50 was given against him

That’s not Dissent wasnt wearing a yellow sash

 

[Al Heimer]

Dawks won the free kick count 20 - 12, did i see that right? They're the only other team for constantly getting reamed by umpires. We might stand a chance to get a fair contest at the Gabba if that continues.

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[banana_bus]

That's why they brought in the 4th umpire is it not to fix this. How's that working out for you AFL.

They brought in the 4th cos their panel of umps are getting too old to get around like they used to (this is from an source within the umpiring industry)

 

[Rocco sifreddi]

Umpiring is like cancer a disease with no cure.

 

[Aeons]

Turned on the game last night, saw a Saints player grab and sling the Lions player who didn't have the ball. All good from the umpires, then the ball is kicked into the Saints forward line and a Lions player grabs the Saints player without the ball, ump couldn't blow his whistle fast enough. It's this constant bias and inconsistency that is ruining our game, what's the point of having more umpires when it just lets them keep doing the same old things more often?

Regarding Razor and Shai Bolton dissent, Razor thinks "I am god, you never question god, I never make mistakes!"

this. Razor talking himself up and building a media personality and profile around himself is a prime example of how the umps now think the game is about them. sickening.