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I didn't realize we were s**t until now, moods - cheers, fella! where the * would we be without your eternal support - did you catch someone smiling tonight, thought you'd drop a reminder of our direness?
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JustaBattler
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How many years did it take GWS to make finals from scratch? Carlton started from behind scratch relative to both GWS an GCS...
- but fair enough from a Win loss perspective alone it has been ordinary since 2017 I'd say -nothing controversial really is there?
- but fair enough from a Win loss perspective alone it has been ordinary since 2017 I'd say -nothing controversial really is there?
thylacine60
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moods wants tears and blood and bodies in the street.......
Yes, if we lose the club will be under the media spotlight. So what?
Win, lose or draw the club will stick to the plan.
Lies, damn lies and statistics. 55 years going to games. Can you calculate our winning % please?
It's easy to look at stats in isolation to draw conclusions. More often than not they're just a load of bullshit, or used by someone trying to pad out their own agenda.
With our rebuild, we were at ground zero similar to when SOS took over at GWS. They are finals bound, we're likely bottom 3 or 4.
The difference being that we were not given draft concessions that a new franchise is provided. We've had to trade anything that was of any value to try and get talent into the club. We now have more first round picks than any other club in the AFL, but that doesn't automatically buy you wins.
GWS were the whipping boys of the comp before the list matured and drafted some pretty handy players along the way. SOS is following the same game plan, and we were the whipping boys last year.
We could literally be 2 or 3 trade/drafts away from being in a similar situation to GWS...if we get it right. We've employed Agresta to team up with SOS to give us our best chance. That's all we can ask really, isn't it?
With our rebuild, we were at ground zero similar to when SOS took over at GWS. They are finals bound, we're likely bottom 3 or 4.
The difference being that we were not given draft concessions that a new franchise is provided. We've had to trade anything that was of any value to try and get talent into the club. We now have more first round picks than any other club in the AFL, but that doesn't automatically buy you wins.
GWS were the whipping boys of the comp before the list matured and drafted some pretty handy players along the way. SOS is following the same game plan, and we were the whipping boys last year.
We could literally be 2 or 3 trade/drafts away from being in a similar situation to GWS...if we get it right. We've employed Agresta to team up with SOS to give us our best chance. That's all we can ask really, isn't it?
If we lose tomorrow, Bolts to go all Don Pyke and drop an experienced player.
It will be the wrong one though.
It will be the wrong one though.
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At a loss with our club at the moment, i am a Bolton fan and supporter but i am starting to have doubts. There comes a point when he needs to be judged on performance and performance in relation to clubs who are around us and hopefully below us.
Today was a big set back, i hope we can crack through for a win fast as i am worried about Bolts position and him losing the players.
Today was a big set back, i hope we can crack through for a win fast as i am worried about Bolts position and him losing the players.
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If our board melts were cheese, we would have a large quantity of Fondue.
Bitter, sour, unswedish Fondue.
Bitter, sour, unswedish Fondue.
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This one's going to be very unpopular...
Our over-reliance on Cripps is incredibly unhealthy for the long term prospects of this team. With him in the midfield - because why would you play him anywhere else? - SPS, Dow, Kennedy will not become the players they could be, such is the extent to which he's pivotal.
In the past, when you've such dominance in a single member of the side, those sides have indeed been successful but have generally fallen over short of a flag. St Kilda with Riewoldt, Sydney with Franklin, Geelong with Ablett Senior; there are others that can be named. West Coast failed to win a flag with Priddis; North have failed to be exceptional with Cunnington. We've also seen players rise to fill the void, in the event that such a dominant player leaves; Hawthorn became a more balanced attacking side when Franklin left, WC when Mitchell and Priddis retired had their entire midfield step in to compensate for his lack.
We're now getting towards the Unpopular opinion.
I think it might result in a better end (with better development for the young players) if you went for the outrageous trade; offer Cripps to GWS for Coniglio, Hopper/Whitfield and Taranto, or failing that, Coniglio and Greene. Immediately improve our firsts with two mature bodies who can and are capable, so that on the spread we're up.
On one hand, this will never happen; you don't trade away a club captain, and you definitely do not trade away the best player in the comp which is what Cripps shapes as being. But AFL is not a sport dominated by individuals, if anything it is a sport littered with examples of those individuals not being able to elevate their side beyond the dross for very long.
Our over-reliance on Cripps is incredibly unhealthy for the long term prospects of this team. With him in the midfield - because why would you play him anywhere else? - SPS, Dow, Kennedy will not become the players they could be, such is the extent to which he's pivotal.
In the past, when you've such dominance in a single member of the side, those sides have indeed been successful but have generally fallen over short of a flag. St Kilda with Riewoldt, Sydney with Franklin, Geelong with Ablett Senior; there are others that can be named. West Coast failed to win a flag with Priddis; North have failed to be exceptional with Cunnington. We've also seen players rise to fill the void, in the event that such a dominant player leaves; Hawthorn became a more balanced attacking side when Franklin left, WC when Mitchell and Priddis retired had their entire midfield step in to compensate for his lack.
We're now getting towards the Unpopular opinion.
I think it might result in a better end (with better development for the young players) if you went for the outrageous trade; offer Cripps to GWS for Coniglio, Hopper/Whitfield and Taranto, or failing that, Coniglio and Greene. Immediately improve our firsts with two mature bodies who can and are capable, so that on the spread we're up.
On one hand, this will never happen; you don't trade away a club captain, and you definitely do not trade away the best player in the comp which is what Cripps shapes as being. But AFL is not a sport dominated by individuals, if anything it is a sport littered with examples of those individuals not being able to elevate their side beyond the dross for very long.
Certainly an interesting thought. As a less drastic version, I wonder if it might be "good" for the team to player for a month or two without Cripps. It must be a bit too easy for those young mids you mentioned to switch off mentally and go "I'll wait until Cripps does it".
Edit: maybe instead of trading him, we could just give him 6 weeks off once he's locked away the Brownlow?
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Gatorade starting to think you work for the coaching team - terribly complicated way to go about something.
You play your best midfielder in the midfield, your best forward down forward, and your best backman down back. It's simple.
Dusty 2017 had the best year in modern history and Richmond romped to a flag. Sam Mitchell was Hawthorns best midfielder for their 3-peat. Bont was the biggest reason for WB 2016 flag. Although they won a flag after he left, GAJ was on another level from 07-10.
An alternative is to just minimise his minutes in the midfield and putting him down forward for 2 goals a game. Bevo actually did this with Bont last couple of years and he's flying again now.
You play your best midfielder in the midfield, your best forward down forward, and your best backman down back. It's simple.
Dusty 2017 had the best year in modern history and Richmond romped to a flag. Sam Mitchell was Hawthorns best midfielder for their 3-peat. Bont was the biggest reason for WB 2016 flag. Although they won a flag after he left, GAJ was on another level from 07-10.
An alternative is to just minimise his minutes in the midfield and putting him down forward for 2 goals a game. Bevo actually did this with Bont last couple of years and he's flying again now.
So long as Adelaide gets blamed for the tanking.
AFL prosecutors can make a near air-tight case that Carlton were not trying to win that game yesterday if they plucked out some choice highlights. One could swear on a stack of bibles we were trying to lose.
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In the leadup to this season, it's what I was saying we should do. It's point blank unhealthy for us in the short medium and long term to have such an over-reliance on a single player for success, as Dusty actively proves. He was not right in the final last year, and so they got done (hilariously) by Collingwood.
More, that a spread of his superhuman level of ability across 3-4 players would be better for us altogether. He's a composite ruck-rover CHF, replete with ballwinning ability in the air and off the ground, a physical monster; how will SPS learn that if he doesn't get it out, who will? How will Kennedy take up the mantle when necessary to win 30 touches and grind the opposition into the ground? Will Dow become that Dangerfield-esque monster midfielder, knowing that all he has to do is sit outside the stoppage and wait for Crippa to get it out to him?
What Faz 2000 said above - losing Cripps for a month or two - would be suitable to develop this kind of thing in those players. Send him on a holiday, let him spend some time with family; do what you've got to do to ensure that the list is in a terrific place in a year or two, when we're in the right position to be challenging.
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Don't agree with Dow. He knows how to find the ball. His kicking has become appalling. Not the same kid I saw in his first practice match against the cheats, where he faultless. I would put him in the VFL and make him get it right. He will be part of the team long term.
We may not be in a position to chose if WE want to trade him.
Remember, he is from WA, his better half is from WA, now with him in Melbourne but we all know how these things pan out when both are from the same state, don't we!
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Outside Amos (back 6 line coach) and Teague if I was an assisstant coach I would be very worried about my performance.
Barker needs to go mainly.
Barker needs to go mainly.
How do you figure, when it's the forwardline that isn't functioning?
So much can happen over the course of the next three years though and what if they may break up in the meantime?
If Carlton are genuinely a top 8 force by then, West Coast and Freo may also possibly be at the other end of the ladder.
Good if the club is preparing for all scenarios though, good and the not so good.
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We need more speed and forward crumbers and goal-kickers.
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My assumption is Teague may be hampered by the continual deficits of delivery to that line. Also believe outside McIntosh he has been here the least as far as the current crop.
I thought it was widely agreed that we needed some forward crumbers. If we could combine a quick forward crumber that also could rotate into the midfield, that would be golden. Someone like Stephenson long term would be very good.
