Looks like the teams are in a position where they'll have to put up and shut up. Unfortunate as it is, the situation can apportion some blame to CA.
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James Faulkner should still be a fixture of our ODI and T20I sides, bowling 1st or 2nd change and batting at #7/#8.
And no, he wasn't "trash" in his last ODI appearances. He just wasn't the big hitter with the bat that people made him out to be, because that's not actually who he really is as a batsman, at least not at domestic level. He only got continually cast in that role because of a couple of heroic performances. In fact, he's much more of a bowling all-rounder than anything else.
Faulkner's last 10 ODIs with the ball - 29.75 average, 30.44 strike rate, 5.86 economy rate. Perfectly adequate for a 1st/2nd change paceman in today's ODI cricket.
And no, he wasn't "trash" in his last ODI appearances. He just wasn't the big hitter with the bat that people made him out to be, because that's not actually who he really is as a batsman, at least not at domestic level. He only got continually cast in that role because of a couple of heroic performances. In fact, he's much more of a bowling all-rounder than anything else.
Faulkner's last 10 ODIs with the ball - 29.75 average, 30.44 strike rate, 5.86 economy rate. Perfectly adequate for a 1st/2nd change paceman in today's ODI cricket.
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Probably a good thing. Might knock him off his fantastic test length and speed. I wouldn't mind at all if he gave up white ball cricket altogether and focussed on tests
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Surely he's talented and experienced enough for a few T20Is to not to "ruin" him at this point.
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Possibly. But he just seems to have nailed a perfect offie that he sends down six times an over. If India didn't have pujara he would have had the Indians on toast
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Just thinking about it, which spinners who were ever worth a s**t in the long form have been "ruined" by limited overs cricket? Just seems like an unfounded fear IMO. There's more examples of talented limited-overs spinners never being able to adapt to the long form than anything else.
If you've got genuine cricketing talent and smarts, you can adapt between formats, and Lyon appears to be able to do that. He's had strong results in all formats domestically in recent years, when he has played, so IMO it makes sense that he should be rewarded for it. IMO, he should be our #1 spinner in Tests, ODIs and T20Is.
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There's been a lot a chat about the ramifications of T20 on batsmen but I'm starting to wonder about it's effect on spin bowlers. We're seeing a lot at the moment who look really capable bowling four over spells but don't seem to be able to translate that sort of form into f/c cricket.
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I'm not really disagreeing with you. Just seems to be going so well right now in tests. But hell..the way hohnsy is selecting the squads now Nathan Lyon will probably be opening in odis and captaining the T20 team next month.
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It's a bit of a chicken/egg thing too. A lot of limited overs "specialists" don't really get much opportunity in the long form (even domestically), to really work through their problems in that format, and that lack of opportunity is then "justified" by their struggles when they do rarely play in the long form.
Would they be better with more opportunity to play and adapt to the long form, or if they didn't play limited overs cricket at all?
Also, again, I'm yet to see an example of a successful long-form spinner who has been "ruined" by limited overs cricket. Again, that may come down to a reverse of the above scenario - A player not being that good in limited exposure to the limited overs formats, so then not getting further opportunity.
Lyon seems to be the rare one that's good in all formats, though, so I feel like we should take advantage of that and consistently reward him with international selection in all formats.
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Loved the 2016 T20 WC far more than the 2015 ODI WC.
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Bumrah bowling to Smith will be the most beautiful thing ever.
A terrific batsman with an ugly batting technique with all the bat waving against a wonderful bowler with an ugly action with arms flapping around everywhere. It would be poetic to watch.
A terrific batsman with an ugly batting technique with all the bat waving against a wonderful bowler with an ugly action with arms flapping around everywhere. It would be poetic to watch.
Is that really that unpopular?
I personally only rate him as a test bowler, he's been pumped in the last few odis
When Lisa Sthalekar is commentating men's cricket, she can far'k off with her PC, gender-neutral/sexual equality bullshit.
She LOUDLY insists that batman are "batters", the player of the match cannot be referred to as "man of the match", and that third man should now be called "third". And she doesn't simply say it, she bails up and constantly "corrects" her co-commentators if the get it "wrong".
She can do what ever she wants when she's commentating on chicks' cricket, because I won't hear it. If fact, for all care, they can even change the name of the game to something "butch chicks bat and bowl"
I've had it. I turn off when I hear her on the radio doing the BBL on SEN or Macquarie. I don't give a * if people call be a misogynist or whatever .
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She LOUDLY insists that batman are "batters", the player of the match cannot be referred to as "man of the match", and that third man should now be called "third". And she doesn't simply say it, she bails up and constantly "corrects" her co-commentators if the get it "wrong".
She can do what ever she wants when she's commentating on chicks' cricket, because I won't hear it. If fact, for all care, they can even change the name of the game to something "butch chicks bat and bowl"
I've had it. I turn off when I hear her on the radio doing the BBL on SEN or Macquarie. I don't give a * if people call be a misogynist or whatever .
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I wouldn't be surprised if he played so few white ball internationals for that reason. Allow him to develop his Test game, and now that's good see if he can deliver with the secondary formats.
Well, I would be a little surprised. It would mean someone at CA actually taking Tests more seriously than T20.
When Lisa Sthalekar is commentating men's cricket, she can far'k off with her PC, gender-neutral/sexual equality bullshit.
She LOUDLY insists that batman are "batters", the player of the match cannot be referred to as "man of the match", and that third man should now be called "third". And she doesn't simply say it, she bails up and constantly "corrects" her co-commentators if the get it "wrong".
She can do what ever she wants when she's commentating on chicks' cricket, because I won't hear it. If fact, for all care, they can even change the name of the game to something "butch chicks bat and bowl"
I've had it. I turn off when I hear her on the radio doing the BBL on SEN or Macquarie. I don't give a glory be if people call be a misogynist or whatever .
Rah!
I watch some of the WBBL where Lisa Sthalekar and Julia Price are co commentators alongside either Jason Richardson or Andy Maher. Anyway, Julia Price has often referred to batters as batsmen. Sthalekar either hasn't corrected Julia Price or Price is not going to gender neutralise.
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Agree on all this. Lots of drama and hysterics over T20 - but I don't see how Lyon's craft, moulded over more than a decade (and probably 30 odd tests), is suddenly going to become ruined by a couple of 'trick' balls. Didn't hurt Bumrah even in test cricket!
Yes, youngsters should be taught to develop a stock delivery as a bowler that's tight in line and length that they can rely on 95% of the time. Much like a batsmen being able to develop a defensive shot/leave as a stock shot. Then they can be taught to play the trick shots, trick balls etc in the right formats.
But that is so far far far removed from the hysterics of 'ruining' elite level cricket.
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He's been economical (economy rate under 5), without being especially threatening, in the limited number of ODIs he's played.
He's deserved selection though, based on domestic performances, which was my original point; His record in the JLT/Matador Cup in recent years has been great, and same for his career record in the Big Bash.
Price is right to do so. Batsman is a neutral term.
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Pointless argument, really. A batter is someone that swings a bat. Yes, it’s traditionally been used for baseball and not cricket, but it’s not a hill worth planting your flag on.
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When the best argument you can come up with in favor of something amounts to "I don't care" it doesn't really seem worth it.
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The argument wasn’t simply ‘I don’t care’, it’s that batter is technically correct also, women don’t like being called batsmen and also I don’t care.
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It's weird though that the batter was called batsman since time immemorial but not so for the bowlers and fielders.
Another example of how the have been calling the shots since the 19th century in cricket, emasculating the bowlers and fielders via nomenclature.
Another example of how the have been calling the shots since the 19th century in cricket, emasculating the bowlers and fielders via nomenclature.
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It is disingenuous to paint it out as a pointless nitpick that doesn't mean anything to dismiss people who are disagreeing with it, but then make the point and meaning of the argument the value of women's (as a homogeneous collective) opinions when agreeing with it.
Is it pointless argument or not?
