Yep. I don't get it either mate.
Up the Arse! Goons thread Part 8
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Smyth94
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We're talking about Arsenal v Everton on Sunday morning right?
Gervinho? LOL...seriously?
Basically every Gooner I've spoken to since that match, not to mention other forums have also had Song as their MOTM.
The fact you think he's had an average season? Wow...just beggars belief really.
As for the best DM in the league - name me a DM in the league who is having a better season than Song. I will qualify, Song isn't your typical DM, he's sort of a B2B these days - the guy has 5 assists this season (EPL), along with his crucial interceptions, has made him one of our most important players - we win 61% of our games with Song in the side; that figure drops to 18% without him (Opta)
NT has no idea.
Santos is gone for 3 months. Will have ankle ligament surgery.
NTRabbit
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De Jong, Y. Toure and Lucas indisputably.
Most football people I've spoken to are baffled by the amount of love for Song in some Gooner quarters. Good player, but not worthy of that much praise.
I have more idea than most. Dismissing me because I don't step back in line with the sheeple is ridiculous.
Arteta is average because he's a poor man's Nasri, who was a poor man's Fabregas.
Song plays a different position. He should just stay in front of the back four and learn how to distribute, because his through balls aren't up to the task. Leave that to Arteta, Ramsey, and when he gets back and replaces one of the former two Wilshere.
Despite all of the talk about our weak defence or the one man show up front, the weakest part of the field at Arsenal is the centre of midfield. Arteta is on a hiding to nothing as our Fabregas replacement because no matter how hard he tries, he's never going to be as good, and I don't think Ramsey is going to last the journey as an Arsenal player, while if we had managed to snag Toure when he came to England instead of city I'm 100% certain he would be our starting DM, and the midfield would be better for it.
Unlucky. Again a case of hearing he's out for. Couple of weeks, then to find out free 'consultaion' that surgery is required. I believe Gibbs is still a couple of weeks away
Smyth94
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De Jong? Give me a break, the guy is a fantastic tackler but he's got nothing on Song when it comes to...well basically everything else.
Toure - yeah fair enough
Lucas? Ahhh ok mate.
Most people have claimed that Song has been fantastic this season, which I agree with, through practically most of his games in 11/12.
You're certainly not showing it.
Arteta has been class this season.
The thing is, Arteta isn't Fabregas' replacement at all - they are completely different players. Arteta's defensive work in midfield has been hugely responsible for our resurgence, his passing is fantastic, his ability to retain and win the ball has meant that players like Song and Ramsey can go forward with confidence when needed to.
He's been the signing of the summer (from an Arsenal perspective) from my POV. I really don't get what you're playing at here.
Tell me, who isn't a poor man's Cesc? There is one player and one player only.
Arteta was not brought as a direct replacement to Fabregas. Of course he's not going to be as good, nobody will be, bar Xavi. Nasri is not a poor man's Cesc either, completely different players.
And for someone who claims to have more idea than most, you're not doing a very good job of conveying it.
And conformity does not always = stupidity. The Song you must be watching must be someone else.
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+1 for Song having a good season thus far. City went down to Chelsea this morn...interesting.
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This in bold. - agree with everything written here.
Arteta can not be a poor man's Fabregas because even though they are both Spanish and very good ball-players, they perform different roles.
When Arteta has the ball at his feet, he does not play the defence splitting killer ball,which in recent history has led to Fabregas's large amount of assists, but instead, Arteta holds the ball up, looks around, and then frees Ramsey or Walcott (preferably along the wing) into space. Obviously Arteta still play's defence splitting balls, although I am merely pointing out that this is not his modus operandi.
Also,Nasri cannot be a poor man's Fabregas because they are different players again, but as was said above, there is only one Fabregas.
Does anyone else have a problem with santos having surgery in brazil. Im sure there is a lot better places to do it around the world where it would recover faster and be better for the long run.
Im aware that his from brazil and would be there while injured where he could catch up with his family and not get home sick.But surely he could of had surgery when surgeons are much resourced than what he will be getting done in brazil and then returned to brazil and catch up with his family.
Im aware that his from brazil and would be there while injured where he could catch up with his family and not get home sick.But surely he could of had surgery when surgeons are much resourced than what he will be getting done in brazil and then returned to brazil and catch up with his family.
you are talking absolute rubbish do you even watch the game or just the highlights packages each week?
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Who has suggested that Arteta is a Fabregas replacement? They play totally different roles. Arteta is no Xavi, yes, but his game is more comparable to him. He has a league-high average for passes with a very high efficiency rate. Can't say he's been a failure. As for Nasri, why bring him into this? How many times has he played in the centre of midfield for Arsenal?
If anything, Ramsey is supposed to be Cesc's replacement and it's unfair to expect that of him yet. Cesc is in a league of his own in terms of play-making.
I was just making the point that just because a few of Song's passes were off, you see that as a poor game from him? He has proved that he can create a goal every two games this season so why should he not attempt to make the play? He's turning the ball over trying to make goals happen, he rarely turns it over playing nothing balls. Even if they come off less than half the time, it's enough to win the majority of games.
agree with all of this. criticism levelled at song and now arteta is very very unfair. song, like walcott, should have a few more assists credited to them this season but for some indifferent finishing on the end of their passing.
cesc and nasri are gone and they could not be replaced. simple as that. we've spent the first four months of this season trying to adapt to a new midfield, and that development will continue. song and arteta have been key performers in our revival
in other news, chamakh says he wont go in january. i still say if there's a club wishing to purchase him, sell him in january and hopefully we purchase a quality back up for RvP
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/s...h-to-decide-arsenal-future-in-summer-?cc=3436
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/s...h-to-decide-arsenal-future-in-summer-?cc=3436
How do you define quality backup? It's almost oxymoronic.
hmm yes, poor word choice and i can see the confusion. i would define it as having a quality alternative as deputy on the bench to RvP, as let's be honest we have little depth in our forward options.
chamakh has not developed as we hoped, he seems disinterested, lazy and just out of his depth. chu young, although a consistent scorer for his country, needs time before we'll know if he's premier league standard. too early to tell, however he doesn't appear ready at the moment.
we've got good depth in midfield now, with yossi, the ox, coquelin etc available to slot in. but the two areas that are of concern are GK and forward. an injury to szezeny, RvP etc could prove very challenging indeed
chamakh has not developed as we hoped, he seems disinterested, lazy and just out of his depth. chu young, although a consistent scorer for his country, needs time before we'll know if he's premier league standard. too early to tell, however he doesn't appear ready at the moment.
we've got good depth in midfield now, with yossi, the ox, coquelin etc available to slot in. but the two areas that are of concern are GK and forward. an injury to szezeny, RvP etc could prove very challenging indeed
The only thing wrong with Arteta is his age.
Anybody catch the interview with Pires on Fox Sports FC?
Said he'd be interested in playing in the A-League.
What a player he was. 9 goals in 14 games against Spurs.
Said he'd be interested in playing in the A-League.
What a player he was. 9 goals in 14 games against Spurs.
NTRabbit
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You lot can continue to live in fantasy land about the players we have, I won't.
I was watching highlights from wilsheres last season and he linked up very well with chamack. Not sure why, so who knows maybe once jacks back chamack might find some form. But i doubt and hope we bring someone in.
Clearly you're the one in the fantasy world when you're the only person who's saying Song has had a poor season. And that's not just on this forum either.
I suppose RvP isn't that good either and all his goals are just lucky
Ok this is promising...
http://m.espn.go.com/soccer/story?storyId=996035&leagueTag=ENG.1&lang=EN&leagueTag=ENG.1&top
http://m.espn.go.com/soccer/story?storyId=996035&leagueTag=ENG.1&lang=EN&leagueTag=ENG.1&top
Wouldn't hold your breath.
moomba
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Wenger has been saying that for years now. Would take a change in philosophy, but that change probably started in the last few days of the summer window.
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