Up the Arse! Goons Thread

[PendlePie]

---------------- Cech ----------------
-- Bellerin -- Kos -- Mert -- Monreal
---------- Coq ----- Ramsey --------
---------------- Ozil ------------------
Campbell ------------------ Sanchez
--------------- Giroud ----------------

If this side can't get it done, the club should begin conducting exit interviews.

 

[monty1104]

******* LOL

He kinda has a point, but he's crucifying himself at the same time. If a team of "no names" is sitting on top of the table, obviously Ranieri is doing something right and Wenger can't/won't do similar.

 

[Latro]

He kinda has a point, but he's crucifying himself at the same time. If a team of "no names" is sitting on top of the table, obviously Ranieri is doing something right and Wenger can't/won't do similar.

Also the best players at Arsenal are big money signings.

 

[PendlePie]

Leicester are a team of no-names who are all performing.

It might be beyond Arsene's capabilities to understand this, but if the likes of Flamini, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Walcott were actually performing to the same level as their Leicester counterparts, then fans and the media wouldn't be pushing the "new, big-name signing" agenda.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

Arsene is just a politician I take no notice of what he says anymore.

 

[monty1104]

Also the best players at Arsenal are big money signings.

Yes but Leicester and Tottenham to a degree are proving that the best signings aren't necessarily the most expensive.

Football is such a money driven industry that I think people sometimes forget it's a team sport. It's all well and good to spend millions on a player who is a superstar, but if that player doesn't fit the team system, they're less likely to succeed.

Arsenal have also been guilty of paying a premium for players either at or just past the peak of their powers, only to see them decline on arrival. Podolski, Mertesacker, Arteta and Cazorla are all examples of this. All were "safe" signings at the time. Just once I'd like to see us nail a speculative signing of a young player.

 

[mikeh]

Leicester are playing with no fear. They are combining beautifully as a team and therefore a challenge such as presented last night was a joy for them rather than an insurmountable object. It is amazing that their entire first XI is worth less than several individual Manchester City players. If Arsenal are destined not to win the title this year, I really hope that the foxes can keep going.
For the Gunners nothing less than 3 points will do against Bournemouth. This will put them in a position where a victory against Leicester next week will put them back in the mix. A loss or draw tonight will make it very tough. Time for a nice 3-0 victory to get the season back on track.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

Reckon we could sell Walcott to China for 50 million quid ?

 

[elhadjihenry]

Yes but Leicester and Tottenham to a degree are proving that the best signings aren't necessarily the most expensive.

Football is such a money driven industry that I think people sometimes forget it's a team sport. It's all well and good to spend millions on a player who is a superstar, but if that player doesn't fit the team system, they're less likely to succeed.

Arsenal have also been guilty of paying a premium for players either at or just past the peak of their powers, only to see them decline on arrival. Podolski, Mertesacker, Arteta and Cazorla are all examples of this. All were "safe" signings at the time. Just once I'd like to see us nail a speculative signing of a young player.

This is a rather odd comment, it was consistent speculative signings that led us to 10 years of mediocrity and selling on these "project" players once they began to peak. Adebayor, Nasri, Fabregas, Song, RVP all prime examples (who aside from Adebayor, went on to win league titles with their next team).

The reason we are now a better team than we were is highly related to the signings of Ozil and Sanchez, two players who cost a premium and were at the peak of their powers, and Cech who is clearly past his best but still a top keeper, the definition of a "safe signing".

Also Cazorla absolutely has improved since his arrival at Arsenal, Mertesacker arguably has been at a consistent level (and had a few good years with us) and is only this season starting to decline. Arteta and Podolski were poor signings I'll agree.

 

[monty1104]

This is a rather odd comment, it was consistent speculative signings that led us to 10 years of mediocrity and selling on these "project" players once they began to peak. Adebayor, Nasri, Fabregas, Song, RVP all prime examples (who aside from Adebayor, went on to win league titles with their next team).

The reason we are now a better team than we were is highly related to the signings of Ozil and Sanchez, two players who cost a premium and were at the peak of their powers, and Cech who is clearly past his best but still a top keeper, the definition of a "safe signing".

Also Cazorla absolutely has improved since his arrival at Arsenal, Mertesacker arguably has been at a consistent level (and had a few good years with us) and is only this season starting to decline. Arteta and Podolski were poor signings I'll agree.

Sorry, I should've specified a time frame. All the examples you used were prior the the signings I talked about.

Cazorla has had a couple of good years with us and given the relatively low cost, it was probably harsh for me to say he was a poor signing, but he certainly hasn't improved since he arrived. Mertesacker has been solid, but again, hasn't improved. He was signed as a 27 year old and at the time was signed as a back up CB.

Yes Ozil and Sanchez have been good signings, but both were younger than the 4 I mentioned when signed.

 

[Latro]

This is a rather odd comment, it was consistent speculative signings that led us to 10 years of mediocrity and selling on these "project" players once they began to peak. Adebayor, Nasri, Fabregas, Song, RVP all prime examples (who aside from Adebayor, went on to win league titles with their next team).

The reason we are now a better team than we were is highly related to the signings of Ozil and Sanchez, two players who cost a premium and were at the peak of their powers, and Cech who is clearly past his best but still a top keeper, the definition of a "safe signing".

Also Cazorla absolutely has improved since his arrival at Arsenal, Mertesacker arguably has been at a consistent level (and had a few good years with us) and is only this season starting to decline. Arteta and Podolski were poor signings I'll agree.

Arteta was goog to very good for a couple of seasons. He was as good as Carrick was for United.

 

[glenferry23]

Arteta's first 2 seasons for Arsenal were quality. His decline has been so rapid and so steep that it can be difficult to remember how good he was in that period.

It's a shame to see what's become of him. He's a liability now.

 

[charcoalchicken]

Absolutely have to win tonight for any chance at the title imo, Leicester have been amazing this season if we don't do it I hope they do.

 

[Cruyff14]

Tottenham managed to beat them 5-1 away.

Maybe that's because Spurs are bloody good.

 

[Cruyff14]

And yeah Arteta was very good for a few years,.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

Maybe that's because Spurs are bloody good.

Finally some arsenal fans admitting apart from myself, shows what a top manager can do.

 

[Cruyff14]

I don't think any fans have said Spurs aren't good this season, plain to see they are.

 

[undefined]

Arteta's long-range efforts against Villa/City in 2011/12 were unforgettable. I'd be happy to see him maintain a coaching role at the club for a long period.

Spurs put 5 past Bournemouth because they actually have potency up front.

 

[PendlePie]

Arteta's long-range efforts against Villa/City in 2011/12 were unforgettable. I'd be happy to see him maintain a coaching role at the club for a long period.

Spurs put 5 past Bournemouth because they actually have potency up front.

Disagree. Spurs are as wasteful as anyone when it comes to converting chances.

The difference lies in their midfield. Dier is limited going forward but an absolute brick wall who shields the defence, and Dembele has been the best box-to-box midfielder this season. Throw in Alli's rise and they have a core midfield group that dominate possession, create chances and almost never get overrun by an opposition midfield. They press and press and peg the ball in the opposition half. We saw this first hand when they came to the Emirates and bitched us - if they had as much potency as you suggest, they would've been out of sight before we fluked the leveller.

To sum it up: Spurs don't play or buy Flamini-type duds anymore. We do, we get overrun, and we're worse off for it.

 

[undefined]

I'm not trying to single out Spurs' attacking stocks as their sole weapon to defeat sides with; obviously through Pochettino a very well rounded squad (most notably in the centre of the park) has been manufactured. Against a side like Bournemouth, the rock-solidness of a team's midfield isn't particularly the main tide turner in the contest however.

 

[charcoalchicken]

Reckon we could sell Walcott to China for 50 million quid ?

Would be ideal tbh.

Finally some arsenal fans admitting apart from myself, shows what a top manager can do.

Wenger has done what most people let alone managers couldn't do, people keep forgetting this, he has made the signings this season as well, world class GK, another DM/CM not his fault there was no real WC Striker available.

Spurs put 5 past Bournemouth because they actually have potency up front.

This is bullshit, Ozil, Alexis, Giroud, Walcott, Chamberlain, Campbell, Ramsey can all score goals pretty easily, not Wenger or the teams fault they get injured from time to time, or players ala Walcott/Chamberlain just shit the bed and don't live up to their potential and paycheques, that's on them.

Rosicky/Welbeck/Wilshere haven't even played this season and are another three decent shouts at goal or creating one.

 

[Ozil]

Super Jack coming back and helping us leapfrog the Spurs for the title (unless Leicester blaze away, which is a real possibility) would be all time.

I'd honestly almost forgotten about Welbeck.

 

[Latro]

Super Jack coming back and helping us leapfrog the Spurs for the title (unless Leicester blaze away, which is a real possibility) would be all time.

I'd honestly almost forgotten about Welbeck.

Wishere is not near Arsenal's best team.

I wish I could forget we have Welbeck.

 

[bok_party]

When Wilshere is on top of his game, he's one of the best midfielders in the league it's just he can never string many games together so he can't get any consistency.

 

[charcoalchicken]

When Wilshere is on top of his game, he's one of the best midfielders in the league it's just he can never string many games together so he can't get any consistency.

I will never hate on Wilshere, has the heart of a champion, get's stuck in and doesn't take bullshit, a leader imo. His playing style gets him tackled and tackling a lot and why he gets injured often, he has the skills and wears his heart on his sleeve, if he could string a season together without getting injured, he would be the best English midfielder in the league and one of the best in the PL. He's heavy weight.

He is a legit £50,000,000 midfielder, if he could stay on the park, shits all over Ramsey imo.