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[Scribe]

Rug Muncher I was hoping for a dominant performance in the magoos following my ban, but once again I kicked on to Room after friday night drinks and didn't get home until 4am. I was up again at 9am for the game and was seeing 2 balls when running for the contest.

We are on the march following a couple of impressive wins, and Friars seem a spent force following their relegation and won't be part of September action one would think. Poor NOBS, the ever consistant B Grade club finally seem destined for the VAFA scrap heap, not even the loaf at FF can stop this bakery from going belly up!

Knighter - There's only one North Old Boys and unless your nocturnal habits and excessive socialising have you seeing two NOBS over the past few years (.....um........but let's not go there, hey? ) I think you might find NOBS were down in C Grade 4 or 5 years ago after tumbling down from A in straight sets.

The Friars were poor last season, get belted regularly and managing 3 surprise wins when on song, and the exodus of players over the past 2 seasons has hurt them big-time.

 

[Scribe]

MobenFunkster, you seem to be getting very cocky in your match reports. Let's not forget that you are in D grade and that Swan Hill's under 14's would go close to winning a D grade ammo's flag.

Pineapple - what does that say about the depth of Ammo footy?

frankly, I don't think Mobbs really knows, or cares.

It's the right and privilege of the (thus far) successful to speculate as to how good their side is. Given Uni Blacks have gone from D grade undefeated to C grade top 2, you'd think there's scope for rapid rising. Still, you're right, it's pretty pedestrian footy in D grade. We all know the Old Xavs 2nd XVIII would belt the Redz seniors by 30 goals.

 

[Knight Rider]

Knighter - There's only one North Old Boys and unless your nocturnal habits and excessive socialising have you seeing two NOBS over the past few years (.....um........but let's not go there, hey? ) I think you might find NOBS were down in C Grade 4 or 5 years ago after tumbling down from A in straight sets.

The Friars were poor last season, get belted regularly and managing 3 surprise wins when on song, and the exodus of players over the past 2 seasons has hurt them big-time.

I stand corrected Scribe, your right about their straight sets fall but this time the club seems unlikely to recover from the mess they find themselves in. The players are dejected and many seem likely to leave at year end following on from the massive departures seen last season. The coach has no respect from his players and the under 19's have folded. It's a shame as the club has been a strong part of Ammo history!

 

[The Big Pineapple]

Pineapple - what does that say about the depth of Ammo footy?

frankly, I don't think Mobbs really knows, or cares.

It's the right and privilege of the (thus far) successful to speculate as to how good their side is. Given Uni Blacks have gone from D grade undefeated to C grade top 2, you'd think there's scope for rapid rising. Still, you're right, it's pretty pedestrian footy in D grade. We all know the Old Xavs 2nd XVIII would belt the Redz seniors by 30 goals.

Scribe,

Mobbenfiddler once gave us detailed, informative and impartial Fitzroy Red reports which I read with sincere interest. However, as the Reds continue on their merry way on the top of the ladder, the match reports have become extremely conceited and pompous! Just don't want the good man to get ahead of himself. Still a lot of footy left in this season!

I'm sure Scott MacFlaherty would agree???

 

[justin timberlake]

Scribe,

Mobbenfiddler once gave us detailed, informative and impartial Fitzroy Red reports which I read with sincere interest. However, as the Reds continue on their merry way on the top of the ladder, the match reports have become extremely conceited and pompous! Just don't want the good man to get ahead of himself. Still a lot of footy left in this season!

I'm sure Scott MacFlaherty would agree???

I agree,

Mobbenfuhrer seems to be counting his chickens before they have in fact hatched. A bit like Lance and his solo album. He left all this space in his pool room walls for Grammys and Platinums awards but never got them. There is a lesson for all in this.

 

[Mr Picnic]

I agree,

Mobbenfuhrer seems to be counting his chickens before they have in fact hatched. A bit like Lance and his solo album. He left all this space in his pool room walls for Grammys and Platinums awards but never got them. There is a lesson for all in this.

JT word is on the rumour mill that you might be signing up for your first feature film called Black Snake Moan.

I enjoyed the work of you, Joey and Lance in On The Line a few year's back, but starring with Samuel L. might be a real breakthrough. Can you shed more light on the story line of the new flick, or any other projects you might have on the go.

Also agree that Mobbenfooka is getting ahead of himself. Going well the Redz with a Z, but without a permanent home ground and steady supply from a school, you will not go far in the VAFA.

 

[Scott MacFlaherty]

Scribe,

Mobbenfiddler once gave us detailed, informative and impartial Fitzroy Red reports which I read with sincere interest. However, as the Reds continue on their merry way on the top of the ladder, the match reports have become extremely conceited and pompous! Just don't want the good man to get ahead of himself. Still a lot of footy left in this season!

I'm sure Scott MacFlaherty would agree???

Muppenfreddy's team has been flying for the first half of this season and my boys have fallen short of expected. I do sense some arrogance creeping into his comments but hey let him.

D Grade ammo's is about as strong as the Backstreet Boys new album

 

[The Big Pineapple]

Muppenfreddy's team has been flying for the first half of this season and my boys have fallen short of expected. I do sense some arrogance creeping into his comments but hey let him.

D Grade ammo's is about as strong as the Backstreet Boys new album

I've heard that the Backstreet Boy's latest album is up there Norah Jones and Tracey Chapman!

 

[Knight Rider]

I've heard that the Backstreet Boy's latest album is up there Norah Jones and Tracey Chapman!

JT, I've decided as part of my redemption at Caulfield to become a contestant on Temptation (a.k.a. Sale of the Century). However, I've been studying up on music questions and can't find any info on the net regarding the following topic. Since you've worked with both these performers I thought I'd ask...

Who has the bigger ding dong, Snopp Doggy Dog or Taboo from Black Eyed Peas?

Holla back, just for a chat!

 

[justin timberlake]

JT word is on the rumour mill that you might be signing up for your first feature film called Black Snake Moan.

I enjoyed the work of you, Joey and Lance in On The Line a few year's back, but starring with Samuel L. might be a real breakthrough. Can you shed more light on the story line of the new flick, or any other projects you might have on the go.

Also agree that Mobbenfooka is getting ahead of himself. Going well the Redz with a Z, but without a permanent home ground and steady supply from a school, you will not go far in the VAFA.

Well Cam my missus has some great contacts in the movie business. I have been trying to get her to talk some big shot producers into a new film called "There's something about Mobbenfunky" about this guy who hires a private detective to find a long lost captain of Fitzroy Reds, but thats still in the pipeline. Joey may play the long lost captain, and JC captain, but keep a lid on it just for the moment!

 

[justin timberlake]

JT, I've decided as part of my redemption at Caulfield to become a contestant on Temptation (a.k.a. Sale of the Century). However, I've been studying up on music questions and can't find any info on the net regarding the following topic. Since you've worked with both these performers I thought I'd ask...

Who has the bigger ding dong, Snopp Doggy Dog or Taboo from Black Eyed Peas?

Holla back, just for a chat!

Well i can recall this time on the tour with the B.E.P when me and Fergie were doing the horizontal beat boxing, and Taboo came in with the motto 'two's company, threes a good time' and showed me his drumkit. Wasn't pretty, but had Snoop down pat put it that way!

 

[Mobbs]

Seems I don't have to raise the subject of the Redroys any longer, now that everybody seems to be following their fortunes under their own impetus. I presume you all realise that you have my permission to sneak a glance at your own teams from time to time, when you are not so bedazzled by the team that is all.

But you gottah admit, we're dead sexy.

Some response to recent agenda items :
- I am not more conceited, I was previously playing down my conceit.
- Even Old Xavs were in D Grade once.
- Now faced with admitting supremacy of that old Royligion, I see it is time to bag the opposition, and the league itself. Anything but face up to reality.
- Interesting that I am apparently conceited despite my compassionate approach to the Old Carey v Reds result. In respect, I didn't mention it. At all.
- justin timberlake, you're dreams came true on Saturday, as your mate Vinnie Cahill actually played below par.
- The Reds are not short on a home ground, they have many.

In short, the Reds keep winning. They've only dropped a match, as is their wont, to Prahran at Prahran, same as last year. *shrug*

What a wonderful world.

 

[Scribe]

Seems I don't have to raise the subject of the Redroys any longer, now that everybody seems to be following their fortunes under their own impetus. I presume you all realise that you have my permission to sneak a glance at your own teams from time to time, when you are not so bedazzled by the team that is all.

But you gottah admit, we're dead sexy.

Some response to recent agenda items :
- I am not more conceited, I was previously playing down my conceit.
- Even Old Xavs were in D Grade once.
- Now faced with admitting supremacy of that old Royligion, I see it is time to bag the opposition, and the league itself. Anything but face up to reality.
- Interesting that I am apparently conceited despite my compassionate approach to the Old Carey v Reds result. In respect, I didn't mention it. At all.
- justin timberlake, you're dreams came true on Saturday, as your mate Vinnie Cahill actually played below par.
- The Reds are not short on a home ground, they have many.

In short, the Reds keep winning. They've only dropped a match, as is their wont, to Prahran at Prahran, same as last year. *shrug*

What a wonderful world.

Mobbs,

I hoped that I didn't have to bring this one out at this point, but I should cautiously remind you of the over-zealous posts which pervaded this forum during the second half of 2004 re: Redz premiership/promotion chances.

In the end, both Ormond and Fitzroy (aka - "the team that is all" ) played 3rd and 4th fiddle to Blacks and Banyule.

Would hate to see a repeat of last years' egg-on-face escapades.
Best to keep your powder dry......


Scribe

PS - perhaps the reason why we talk about the Redz is because the majority of clubs supported by regular users of this forum (i.e. Trinity, Collegians, Old Essendon, St Bedes and Caulfield) are having less than brilliant seasons. Anything to deflect attention away from our own form.

 

[Mobbs]

Mobbs,

I hoped that I didn't have to bring this one out at this point, but I should cautiously remind you of the over-zealous posts which pervaded this forum during the second half of 2004 re: Redz premiership/promotion chances.

In the end, both Ormond and Fitzroy (aka - "the team that is all" ) played 3rd and 4th fiddle to Blacks and Banyule.

Would hate to see a repeat of last years' egg-on-face escapades.
Best to keep your powder dry......


Scribe

PS - perhaps the reason why we talk about the Redz is because the majority of clubs supported by regular users of this forum (i.e. Trinity, Collegians, Old Essendon, St Bedes and Caulfield) are having less than brilliant seasons. Anything to deflect attention away from our own form.

Jolly good post, Scribe, much truth to this.

I wasn't aware of too much in the over-zealous mode but it wouldn't surprise me, so folks just can't help themselves. I am a regular offender in the skiting stakes, but I believe it is better to have stuck ones neck out and had it chopped off than to look like Gladstone Small. Still, I thought that 2004 was comparatively conservative from my side. I will stand corrected if need be.

It was a designated ploy by the Reds to avoid promotion in 2004. Concern was raised that the ascent should be correctly paced, otherwise we might very well jump to C Grade, and then win just one game after countless thumpings, before plummetting downward again. Glad we didn't make that mistake and sincerely hope it hasn't happened to any other team ...

If everybody's watching the Reds as a distraction from their own misfortunes, then any slip-up of said Reds can be attributed to these other folk mozzing them. Anyways, OEG are actually doing fairly well, possible finallists this year, after having climbed a grade or two.

I didn't actually catch which club you, Scribe, supported or were associated with, but, whichever one it is, if its in a different grade to D1, and its not SKOB, then, best wishes.

As a bloke who has killed Fitzroy, Oakleigh, Marnoo, West Torrens, Balmain and South Melb Spectres, I promise I will not endanger your club by irresponsibly barracking for you.

 

[pazza]

2 more goalies are going to get A Grade games from this week.

For one, it is his first A Grade match since Round 17 last year.

 

[Rhombus]

Mobbs,

I hoped that I didn't have to bring this one out at this point, but I should cautiously remind you of the over-zealous posts which pervaded this forum during the second half of 2004 re: Redz premiership/promotion chances.

In the end, both Ormond and Fitzroy (aka - "the team that is all" ) played 3rd and 4th fiddle to Blacks and Banyule.

Would hate to see a repeat of last years' egg-on-face escapades.
Best to keep your powder dry......


Scribe

PS - perhaps the reason why we talk about the Redz is because the majority of clubs supported by regular users of this forum (i.e. Trinity, Collegians, Old Essendon, St Bedes and Caulfield) are having less than brilliant seasons. Anything to deflect attention away from our own form.

You couldn't really use the word form when referring to D1 football. It's more of a case of which 22 ******s are better than the other 22 ******s.

 

[Mobbs]

PS - perhaps the reason why we talk about the Redz is because the majority of clubs supported by regular users of this forum (i.e. Trinity, Collegians, Old Essendon, St Bedes and Caulfield) are having less than brilliant seasons. Anything to deflect attention away from our own form.

Wow, Scribe, it seems you're dead on! In fact :

You couldn't really use the word form when referring to D1 football. It's more of a case of which 22 ******s are better than the other 22 ******s.

You can certainly use the word form when referring to that post. Poor form, to be exact.

 

[The OC]

The debate between the grades is one that you could go on for ages.

I for one, have played in every section from D1 to A , the difference is the depth, in D Grade, a few gun players will see you promoted, a couple of extra gun players will get you through C section. Once you get to B section and particularly A Section, you really need upwards of 30 high quality players at your club to see you succeed, you can't afford to carry one player in a senior game, there is nowhere to hide. As they say, you're only as good as your 21st/22nd player.

As SKOB have discovered, recruiting a couple of guns (McKee/Garlick) won't even help, you need to bolster the ranks at the other end of the scale. Old Hailebury are a good example of a very balanced side, with a couple of proven matchwinners (O'Farrell & Corrigan)

 

[pazza]

The debate between the grades is one that you could go on for ages.

I for one, have played in every section from D1 to A , the difference is the depth, in D Grade, a few gun players will see you promoted, a couple of extra gun players will get you through C section. Once you get to B section and particularly A Section, you really need upwards of 30 high quality players at your club to see you succeed, you can't afford to carry one player in a senior game, there is nowhere to hide. As they say, you're only as good as your 21st/22nd player.

As SKOB have discovered, recruiting a couple of guns (McKee/Garlick) won't even help, you need to bolster the ranks at the other end of the scale. Old Hailebury are a good example of a very balanced side, with a couple of proven matchwinners (O'Farrell & Corrigan)

And I would agree with all of that.

 

[rightfoot_sloth]

Well said "The OC" ! You have hit the nail on the head ! Keep the quality posts happening.

 

[The Wizard]

As SKOB have discovered, recruiting a couple of guns (McKee/Garlick) won't even help, you need to bolster the ranks at the other end of the scale.

Skob have failed this year due to a stack of injuries, so this a mute point. Bowles, Garvey & co have been injured all year & haven't had a string of games together.

Steve O'Connor & Paul O'Keefe (state players) have gone OS so that's 4 quality players who have had little impact.

I agree, you need to bolster your ranks at the other end but SKOB 19's have been one of the best performed sides in the last 5 years. These players are progressing to the Reserves & Seniors so you can't say there isn't quality.

 

[The OC]

Skob have failed this year due to a stack of injuries, so this a mute point. Bowles, Garvey & co have been injured all year & haven't had a string of games together.

Steve O'Connor & Paul O'Keefe (state players) have gone OS so that's 4 quality players who have had little impact.

I agree, you need to bolster your ranks at the other end but SKOB 19's have been one of the best performed sides in the last 5 years. These players are progressing to the Reserves & Seniors so you can't say there isn't quality.

Wiz

My point exactly, every club loses a good players to injury, that's why I said you need to bolster your ranks to have 30 odd quality players to be successful at the highest grade. A good U/19 player will make a decent reserves player but only gun u/19's can cut it in the seniors, especially in A grade.
Examples: StBernard's reserves over the past 5 years (not this year) would have knocked off Senior sides from half of B Grade. Same with Uni Blues of '04 and Xav's this year. These three clubs have been most successful because of their depth. Gun players O/S is no excuse, Collegians top 3 B&F from last year have done the same you just can't hang your hat on that.

 

[Mr Picnic]

Wiz

My point exactly, every club loses a good players to injury, that's why I said you need to bolster your ranks to have 30 odd quality players to be successful at the highest grade. A good U/19 player will make a decent reserves player but only gun u/19's can cut it in the seniors, especially in A grade.
Examples: StBernard's reserves over the past 5 years (not this year) would have knocked off Senior sides from half of B Grade. Same with Uni Blues of '04 and Xav's this year. These three clubs have been most successful because of their depth. Gun players O/S is no excuse, Collegians top 3 B&F from last year have done the same you just can't hang your hat on that.

Some very wise and astute comments OC. Who do you see in B grade having the talent and depth you speak of to make the cut in A-grade.


I also hear you may be wining and dining some time this week? Do u need some advice? I am the king of this kind of thing.

 

[The Wizard]

A good U/19 player will make a decent reserves player but only gun u/19's can cut it in the seniors, especially in A grade.

Disagree. At SKOB, 3 players I can name were outright guns in the 19's, Stephen Mount, Crohan, Ryan O'Keefe. 2/3 OS ATM, Mount is struggling in the 2's. All these 3 were U19 reps and Crohan won a Division 1, U19 GF off his own boot.

How you perform in the 19's isn't directly related to how well you go at a senior level, it depends on the club and the opportunities there. I struggled there in 19's, went else where and got regular gametime at another A Grade club.

Examples: StBernard's reserves over the past 5 years (not this year) would have knocked off Senior sides from half of B Grade.

Because B Grade is not a good example. The Bernards captain, James Mount, a SKOB, couldn't get a game at SKOB, ditto for Altis, their leading goalkicker, ditto for Steve McKeon, their leading goalkicker the year before, ditto for Dave Thomas, their Best & Fairest. All SKOB's that couldn't get games there.

Your Bernards example also contradicts your first arguement. Tait Pearson, Tait Wilkinson (a SKOB) & Mick Kavanagh were all very average U19 players. Now they are ranked in the best 25 players in the competition.

Gun players O/S is no excuse, Collegians top 3 B&F from last year have done the same you just can't hang your hat on that.

Collegians have never had the quality of player that SKOB have had depart in the last year. SOC, Prangrazio, Ryan O'Keefe, Paul O'Keefe, EJ Crohan, that is 5 VAFA representatives that have left since last year. Collegians have never had quality like this depart.

 

[The OC]

Tait Perason played 2's last time I checked, Mick Kavanagh was a superstar junior footballer, from what I know his interests lay outside of football for several years and now that he's concentrating on it, he's playing good footy.
Bernard's are probably the only side in the VAFA that can claim that they have lost quality, over the past 2 years they have lost 5 players you could rank in the best 10 in the Ammos (Jordan's, Harvey, Byrne & Fielding).

All I know is that it's certainly going to be an interesting relegation battle in A Grade, OT, SKOB & Coll all battling for one spot.

Whilst the SKOB players you claim to have lost are good, it's hard to go up a grade minus your top 3 B&F...

On the subject of U/19's, all depends on the player. Some kids don't develop physically until they're 20, others can cut it in seniors at 18, my point is that many gun u/19 players can't cut it at senior level.

How many uys do you notice who played u/19 rep footy now running around in the 2's....