Vandenberg you weak prick

[jaybee]

the only thing missing from the footybrawl on saturday was

DEAN WALLIS........

 

[Hawkas]

Originally posted by hotpie
No point flying the flag if the flag is at half mast.

FYI the flag is flying at half mast over Glenferrie following the death of Ivan Moore late last week

 

[Joffaboy]

Originally posted by Noodles
Gee Joffagirl, that sounds terrible! All those Essendon players kneeing and elbowing, what's the world coming too.

Just jog my memory for me Joffagirl, after all these terrible acts committed on your beloved Saints, how many Essendon players were reported? I'm sure it must have been at least 6 or 7 by the way you've described these attacks on the Saints players. I hope they got the long suspensions they obviously deserved.

Rioli stomping? Really? That sounds like a very serious offence, yet I don't seem to recall him missing any games this year? I'm sure you'll be able to explain this to me Joffagirl.

Anyway, keep your chin up Joffagirl, and hopefully those big bad Essendon bullies won't pick on your beloved Saints next time.

OOh joffagirl. Geez I'm offended.

Bunch of whinging snipers. Are you telling me Johnson didn't knee, or Lloyd elbow? Or Hird or Rioli? You completly deluded halfwit.
Oh BTW my Saints aren't precious. They didn't bleat all week like your mob did, they didn't bleat they would dob in at the tribunal, what they did was spank your mob, both physically and on the scoreboard.

And i can't wait to see all of those slow hasbeens in the Essendon line up actually having a go toe to toe with the Saints in R17 not hitting from behind like the first time.

Pack of whinging shiela's both the players and their fans.

 

[hotpie]

Originally posted by Hawkas
FYI the flag is flying at half mast over Glenferrie following the death of Ivan Moore late last week

Thats a genuine reason but its not what I was referring to. Apologies if I inadvertently brought this sad occurrence into the debate.

 

[Runk]

I thought the fight was great. People got punched, people got bitch slapped, this bloke did this, he did that. It was like a schoolyard free for all. How much do I miss the '80's. So very much.

As for people whingeing....meh. You get involved in a fight, you get what coming. Simple.

 

[eros]

Originally posted by tomatoes
It's wrestling who cares. No one would have a problem if it was all just wrestling. Does he throw punches?

I guess we'll have to ask Nick Holland.

Here's some intersting statistics. (Not my research , someone else did the leg work)

Each season since 1999, Essendon has been among the league's leaders in the number of its players suspended and in the number of matches missed as a result.

The AFL's most heavily suspended clubs, 1999-2003
NUMBER OF PLAYERS SUSPENDED
1. Essendon 27
2. Port Adelaide 17
3. Geelong 16
4. Brisbane 15
5. Fremantle 13
16. Adelaide 3

MATCHES LOST TO SUSPENSION
1. Essendon 50
2. Port Adelaide 30
3. Geelong 30
4. Fremantle 25
5. Western Bulldogs 24
16. Adelaide 7

The researcher also put together some stastics for what has happened since then which makes for interesting reading as well. Are these all just cases of bad luck?

Now - none of this means that Vandenburg or any other Hawthorn player should be exonerated for what he has done. Nor does it mean that Hawthorn supporters should be proud of what they did.

What it does point to, however, are some issues with regard to some Essendon playing personnel. They have regularly pushed up against and transgressed the boundaries of what is legal and what is not. For the players and their off-field leaders to then complain when incidents such as this take place, and adopt an attitude of 'who me, I didn't start it?! ' is disingenuous at best and appalling hypocrisy at worst.

Everyone involved (and that includes the players from both teams who were doing nothing more than wrestling) should just cop it on the chin (pardon the pun) accept what is coming to them and move on. Hawthorn's alleged 'pride' in what took place is lame, but then so is Essendon's bleating and protestations of innocence.

 

[bozza]

Originally posted by Noodles
The Hawks were about 5 goals down when the fight started, they were still in with a chance (admittedly a slim one) of winning the game.

After the fight they refused to man up, refused to run, refused to put their head over the hard ball, and conceded 7 goals in the next 10 minutes playing time. If Hawthorn wanted respect, they had to show they had the guts to stand next to the men they were just fighting against and put their bodies on the line in the contests. Instead they decided to run around the outside of the action like sheepdogs, watching their opposition tear them to pieces. Tough? Don't think so.

I often hear AFL footballers talk about how mental toughness is so important. That because all of the footballers are so evenly matched physically, it's what's between the ears that separates the good and ordinary sides. Unfortunately for Hawthorn, they have shown they are mentally weak, and opposition clubs now know it. If Hawthorn thought it was tough on Saturday, it's only just begun.

100% Correct

 

[Noodles]

Originally posted by Joffaboy
OOh joffagirl. Geez I'm offended.

Bunch of whinging snipers. Are you telling me Johnson didn't knee, or Lloyd elbow? Or Hird or Rioli? You completly deluded halfwit.
Oh BTW my Saints aren't precious. They didn't bleat all week like your mob did, they didn't bleat they would dob in at the tribunal, what they did was spank your mob, both physically and on the scoreboard.

And i can't wait to see all of those slow hasbeens in the Essendon line up actually having a go toe to toe with the Saints in R17 not hitting from behind like the first time.

Pack of whinging shiela's both the players and their fans.

I'll try and read between all of your sooking, bitching and moaning and assume there weren't any Essendon players suspended from that game. I guess all the stomping, elbowing & kneeing wasn't that bad after all.

I look forward to Round 17 Joffagirl, hopefully your Saints have recovered from these terrible attacks in Round 2 by then.

 

[Buckley for PM]

Originally posted by The Dustbin
Pretty tough effort Richie hitting a guy on the ground while he is being pinned downed by two of your heartless team mates. Like Campbell Brown, Chance Bateman and John Barker you are a coward, gutless, nasty piece of work. Try facing a guy eye to eye Richie and see how you'd go. I'm all for aggression and tough hard footy but Hawthorn showed none of these qualities.

I couldn't give a stuff if Ian Dicker himself ran on and held down
an Essenscum player while Richie laid into him. The Bomber
thugs and their thug of a coach have been serving it up to Hawthorn for years, finally the Hawks have had a gutful and
let them have it, and the poor little Bomber bullies are having a whinge. Long time coming I say.... Well done Hawks!

 

[superstar]

Originally posted by eros
I guess we'll have to ask Nick Holland.

Here's some intersting statistics. (Not my research , someone else did the leg work)

Each season since 1999, Essendon has been among the league's leaders in the number of its players suspended and in the number of matches missed as a result.

The AFL's most heavily suspended clubs, 1999-2003
NUMBER OF PLAYERS SUSPENDED
1. Essendon 27
2. Port Adelaide 17
3. Geelong 16
4. Brisbane 15
5. Fremantle 13
16. Adelaide 3

MATCHES LOST TO SUSPENSION
1. Essendon 50
2. Port Adelaide 30
3. Geelong 30
4. Fremantle 25
5. Western Bulldogs 24
16. Adelaide 7

The researcher also put together some stastics for what has happened since then which makes for interesting reading as well. Are these all just cases of bad luck?

Now - none of this means that Vandenburg or any other Hawthorn player should be exonerated for what he has done. Nor does it mean that Hawthorn supporters should be proud of what they did.

What it does point to, however, are some issues with regard to some Essendon playing personnel. They have regularly pushed up against and transgressed the boundaries of what is legal and what is not. For the players and their off-field leaders to then complain when incidents such as this take place, and adopt an attitude of 'who me, I didn't start it?! ' is disingenuous at best and appalling hypocrisy at worst.

Everyone involved (and that includes the players from both teams who were doing nothing more than wrestling) should just cop it on the chin (pardon the pun) accept what is coming to them and move on. Hawthorn's alleged 'pride' in what took place is lame, but then so is Essendon's bleating and protestations of innocence.

Excellent post.

Puts this Essendon bitching into the perspective it deserves: hypocracy.

Vandenberg, Brown and Picoane will get what they deserve at the tribunal - like countless Essendon snipers have for the last twenty years.

 

[Runk]

Originally posted by eros

The AFL's most heavily suspended clubs, 1999-2003
NUMBER OF PLAYERS SUSPENDED
1. Essendon 27
2. Port Adelaide 17
3. Geelong 16
4. Brisbane 15
5. Fremantle 13
16. Adelaide 3

MATCHES LOST TO SUSPENSION
1. Essendon 50
2. Port Adelaide 30
3. Geelong 30
4. Fremantle 25
5. Western Bulldogs 24
16. Adelaide 7

The researcher also put together some stastics for what has happened since then which makes for interesting reading as well. Are these all just cases of bad luck?

There's no doubt we have a shocker of a record and it's not bad luck.
Footy players are mostly meatheads and it would seem that at Windy Hill we have a fair share. The thing is whilst some go hard a lot, they can't actually grasp the concept of or meaning of restraint. Saturday's match was not like that though IMO.

Blokes got sucked in. The Hawks were able to do it and kept on reeling em in. Well done to them. But you can't complain when you dish it out and get it back that's for sure.

Sadly this match will cost Hawthorn more not only in the hip pocket but in man power as well. It's not like there's an award winning squad there or anything just a bunch of cattle waiting for their day to be taken to town. The more cattle you have at your disposal though the more of a chance you have of doing something of note this year rather than being known for a fight and something stupid your coach said at the start of the year.

Yep, in footy there's a fair chance you get roughed up but that's football and anyone who complains is just a big girls blouse.

 

[mantis]

Originally posted by superstar
Excellent post.

Puts this Essendon bitching into the perspective it deserves: hypocracy.

Vandenberg, Brown and Picoane will get what they deserve at the tribunal - like countless Essendon snipers have for the last twenty years.

Maybe everyone involved with the Dawks, should stop worrying about the past & worry about the future, because it is looking bleak for them.

 

[Grimfang]

Originally posted by Noodles
I'll try and read between all of your sooking, bitching and moaning and assume there weren't any Essendon players suspended from that game. I guess all the stomping, elbowing & kneeing wasn't that bad after all.

I look forward to Round 17 Joffagirl, hopefully your Saints have recovered from these terrible attacks in Round 2 by then.

What's comical about this is it implies the tribunal and video reporting officer are:
a) competent
b) consistent.

I've seen very few people claim either on this forum.

 

[Shads]

Originally posted by eros
I guess we'll have to ask Nick Holland.

Here's some intersting statistics. (Not my research , someone else did the leg work)

Each season since 1999, Essendon has been among the league's leaders in the number of its players suspended and in the number of matches missed as a result.

The AFL's most heavily suspended clubs, 1999-2003
NUMBER OF PLAYERS SUSPENDED
1. Essendon 27
2. Port Adelaide 17
3. Geelong 16
4. Brisbane 15
5. Fremantle 13
16. Adelaide 3

MATCHES LOST TO SUSPENSION
1. Essendon 50
2. Port Adelaide 30
3. Geelong 30
4. Fremantle 25
5. Western Bulldogs 24
16. Adelaide 7

The researcher also put together some stastics for what has happened since then which makes for interesting reading as well. Are these all just cases of bad luck?

Now - none of this means that Vandenburg or any other Hawthorn player should be exonerated for what he has done. Nor does it mean that Hawthorn supporters should be proud of what they did.

What it does point to, however, are some issues with regard to some Essendon playing personnel. They have regularly pushed up against and transgressed the boundaries of what is legal and what is not. For the players and their off-field leaders to then complain when incidents such as this take place, and adopt an attitude of 'who me, I didn't start it?! ' is disingenuous at best and appalling hypocrisy at worst.

Everyone involved (and that includes the players from both teams who were doing nothing more than wrestling) should just cop it on the chin (pardon the pun) accept what is coming to them and move on. Hawthorn's alleged 'pride' in what took place is lame, but then so is Essendon's bleating and protestations of innocence.

 

[superstar]

Originally posted by mantis
Maybe everyone involved with the Dawks, should stop worrying about the past & worry about the future, because it is looking bleak for them.

It's the present that looks bleak.

We know where we're at as a club, and it's not where you want to be. We've got to take our medicine for **** poor list management by incompetant fools Schwab and Hook.

BUT....that has nothing to do with this topic.

 

[Ramma]

Looks like the heat is back on Essendon now.
According to SEN, Beaumont, Brown, Barker and Murphy are the only ones to have been reported from the video evidence.
Therefore, presumably, if Vandenberg is to be reported/suspended, it would be because of the Esssendon players ignoring the player's unwritten code in the investigation/tribunal and bleat.
Could be interesting!

 

[Mark Viduka]

 

[krisholio14]

the fight

great to see a bit of old school biffo anyway.

this fight proved once and for all essendon can dish it out but not take it. sure the hawk players went about it all the wrong way (see the scoreboard), but geez the bummers are crying like big sissy girls right now.

they tried to intimidate geelong a few weeks back when we played them. difference was we weathered the storm and won where it counts most. that night proved once and for all they just dont like getting a bit back for their corner.

 

[Noodles]

Originally posted by Ramma
Looks like the heat is back on Essendon now.
According to SEN, Beaumont, Brown, Barker and Murphy are the only ones to have been reported from the video evidence.
Therefore, presumably, if Vandenberg is to be reported/suspended, it would be because of the Esssendon players ignoring the player's unwritten code in the investigation/tribunal and bleat.
Could be interesting!

I just heard on the radio that the players you've listed have been reported, but there are further reports to be announced tonight.

Nice try though Ramma.

 

[M29]

Originally posted by Ramma

Therefore, presumably, if Vandenberg is to be reported/suspended, it would be because of the Esssendon players ignoring the player's unwritten code in the investigation/tribunal and bleat.
Could be interesting!

How could vandenburg not get cited?

It's not as if you can't see it on the video.

 

[Noodles]

Originally posted by M29
How could vandenburg not get cited?

It's not as if you can't see it on the video.

The investigations not finished M29, more reports to be announced tonight.

 

[crazy_big_al]

Vandenberg is a weak prick, he is a blouse and so is his little brother Timmy. All soft

 

[eastaugh36]

Originally posted by Joffaboy
Do you noodlebrain. i seem to remember what Murphy was doing for 5 minutes before that incident, and then putting the knees into Hamill after it.
In the same game I recall the big shiela Lloyd charging into Riewoldts back.

Essendon whinged and whined and promised retribution. All I saw in "retribution" round 2 was kidney punches, Johnson kneeing from behind, Johnson charging Riewoldt, Lloyd elbowing, hird elbowing, Rioli stomping, and you getting spanked by 6 goals then whinged for a week.

Well you whining b!tches, have a cry at the tribunal. Once you do that Essendon will never ever get any help from any of the 15 teams at the tribunal again.
Wont your snipers in Soloman, the Johnsons, Rioli, Fletcher et al have some long holidays during the season.

Something else for you moaners to whinge about.

Geez you exaggerate to make others look worse!
Hird did nothing wrong by protecting himself from that idiot running at him. Lloyd got cleared too,as he should have been.

 

[whirl]

Originally posted by Joffaboy

In the same game I recall the big shiela Lloyd charging into Riewoldts back.

I remember that too, I also it remember it being dealt with appropriately at the time, as a high tackle. That's all it was

 

[Ramma]

Originally posted by M29
How could vandenburg not get cited?

It's not as if you can't see it on the video.

...and to Noodles as well - not cited on VIDEO. May be cited after an investigation, but not on video.
Tell me where you actually see a punch land? Not saying he didn't throw them, but you don't see them land....obviously that is the case, otherwise he would have been done on it!!!!
My point, again, is that for him to now be charged and suspended, it would mean Essendon player's 'dobbing' him in - against the player's unwritten code.
Again - this could be VERY interesting. To dob, or not to dob.......mmmmm.