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PleaseNow you're actually engaging. I appreciate that.
I'm about to go to bed so I'll make this short:
Good to see you're quoting some real figures
2-5% conversion of ALA to DHA, and studies have shown that vegans convert a higher level (about 25% more compared to omnivores if they're not overdoing omega 6 which blocks the conversion. I can pull the study if you really want). In essence, yes, vegans should be taking flax seeds and/or chia seeds on a regular basis. 2 or 3 tablespoons a day hidden in other food should do it to get the RDV's.
Vegan extremest Doctor isn't a reliable source. Obvious biased cherry picking. Check the images used, that's not indicative of an unbiased report.B12:
Yep, really counter-intuitive that omni's are often b12 deficient but there we go.
Here's an article that explains why.
B12 is a bacteria in soil/fecal matter. Now that animals are often raised without ever having contact with soil, they need to be supplemented too. B12 is actually really hard to absorb from animal sources because it bonds very strongly with animal proteins. From supplement sources is 8-12 times more efficient.
As far as historically, traces of dirt on food and untreated drinking water. About a liter a day of any untreated water will get you all the b12 you need.
This was my literal ******* point which you got pissy about!I agree to be honest, it does make it easier for people to transfer but a diet based around that sort of processed crap isn't healthy. Just as a diet based around the food they replace is equally unhealthy
It is worth differentiating a Plant Based Whole Foods diet PBWF from veganism, as being vegan is not inherently healthy. You can be vegan eating only the above sh*t with chips and oreos.
In general research seems to be showing that the closer a diet is to a PBWF philosophy, the healthier (Mediterranean diet, vegetarian diet, vegan diet etc)
It's just about awareness I would have thought.Here's my main issue with vegans, i've known plenty for years who are some of my best friends who incidentally, are the complete opposite of this.
Mate just posted that someone was going around their neighbourhood dropping these in peoples mailboxes..
This was my literal ******* point which you got pissy about!
I recognize that there is a difference between what I believe and what I can prove. There simply isn't enough bulk of research currently for me to definitively claim that the exclusion of ALL animal protein is healthier than the exclusion of nearly all.I thought the same when I was reading it
Why did you quote me...I just said you posted almost my exact thoughts? I've never argued being vegan is inherently unhealthy. Was literally the opposite to my point
I recognize that there is a difference between what I believe and what I can prove. There simply isn't enough bulk of research currently for me to definitively claim that the exclusion of ALL animal protein is healthier than the exclusion of nearly all.
What I CAN argue convincingly is that excluding all (or nearly all) animal protein is healthier than basing a diet around it.
The newest research coming out around gut flora (bacteria in the gut) also suggests that exclusively plant based diet may be the way to go, but I'm not sure how much that is affected by antibiotics in the animal agriculture industry or whether there are other inherent mechanisms. I believe in a few years there will be some convincing arguments in this field.
In the meantime I'm prepared to take a conciliatory approach. Just don't try to tell me being vegan is inherently unhealthy.
I did it once. In retrospect, if I had my time again, I would have done it differentlySure. As long as you can stop quoting me and arguing against things I'm not saying
Would've just been easier if you agreed with my original post. Instead of arguing with me, then posting the same thoughts pages later
I think a lot of people when considering vegetarianism or veganism think of all their favourite dishes and then just mentally remove them without adding anything. Given there are some 80,000 known edible plants variety isn't really an issue, and I actually eat a more diverse, interesting diet now that I'm vegan than I did previously.Serious question. I've been tempted to attempt going vegetarian before, my mum is and growing up we mainly ate chicken, fish, and vegetables. I personally love steak, bacon, chicken (drumsticks are better than breast). I rarely eat steak but I still have chicken, bacon, and tuna a little bit. Now to my question. What is a weekly eating plan like for a vegetarian?
Before committing, you're probably best taking it slow, substituting things like the above examples and seeing if you enjoy them. If you go all out and start substituting foods you enjoy, with foods you don't, you won't stick to it.
I find it interesting how you still feel the need to troll with outlandish articles, says something about you, but you do raise a really interesting point.Any of you vegans tried any of your own milk?
Certainly one way of getting some much needed vitamin b12
I get what you're saying, and there are arguments both ways. Personally i'm not a big fan of using shock footage and the cop dealt with it really well to the point I watched. Didn't mind the idea of using VR for those that want to learn, I think people should be aware of the consequences of actions they financially support, and then free to choose as they want.I have no issues with vegans.. but I hate people like this that are in the streets harassing people