Politics Violence against Nazis, acceptable?

[Long Live HFC]

The hint is on the bloody tin

socialist workers party. FFS

so locking up and murdering people is a hall mark just of the right is it? First year arts nonsense

Hitler believed in laissez faire. There you have it. Only on Figbooty

What next? Claim Keynes was a lover of Jews?

i asked you a question. name some historians.

 

[medusala]

i asked you a question. name some historians.

There are numerous books discussing fascism as an offshoot of socialism. Hardly a controversial notion. Google is your friend

If fascism is far right where is libertarianism? Logically that makes zero sense at all.

Its simply the Orwellian rewriting of language. Just as liberal now means nothing of the sort.

 

[Procrastinator35]

The hint is on the bloody tin

socialist workers party. FFS

so locking up and murdering people is a hall mark just of the right is it? First year arts nonsense

Hitler believed in laissez faire. There you have it. Only on Figbooty

What next? Claim Keynes was a lover of Jews?

National Socialist workers Party with a strong Militaristic & Xenophobic element....The Fascist side of Socialism....First year Arts indeed.

And what's Laissz faire about denying any economic role to Jews & other outlier ethnic races?....There are huge elements of government interference & control over the means of production right there.

Try again matey.

 

[Malifice]

This thread is about nazism which as everyone on nodding terms with history knows is a movement of the left.

lol. Maybe if you keep saying even you'll believe it one-day.

 

[Malifice]

If fascism is far right where is libertarianism?

Traditionally; center to center right. In more recent times they've lurched probably a bit further to the right.

You'll find that since the advent of the welfare state across much of Europe, Australia and the United States, (which followed the evolution of libertarianism to liberalism, particularly social liberalism and its theories of negative liberty contrasted with positive liberty) the libertarians (who are the primary advocates of 'small government') tend to be white, heterosexual, men who aren't reliant on welfare to stay alive.

Point in case, yourself.

When they/ you say 'Small government', what they're/ you're really saying is 'get rid of the welfare state, stop helping minorities and stop taxing the wealthy.' They are invariably conservatives just dressing their bullsh*t up in a different label. The truth of the matter is they don't care about the size of government; they just care that the laws should target the minorities and not the wealthy. They'll oppose regulations for big corporate money earners, but on the other hand will support the imposition of Machiavellian and complex criminal laws for the poor.

You wouldn't go so far as to condone genocide or death squad Meds. Only far right wing nutters do that. Concentration camps, and mandatory detention of minorities without trial you're totally okay with.

I mean you identified as a libertarian yourself. You agree that your political positions are conservative. Conservatism is right wing.

If I'm wrong and you have a left-wing political position I'd love to hear it. I'm not holding my breath however.

 

[medusala]

. The truth of the matter is they don't care about the size of government; they just care that the laws should target the minorities and not the wealthy.

Yeah Bastiat was all about persecuting people. You really are useless at this.

You wouldn't go so far as to condone genocide or death squad Meds. Only far right wing nutters do that. Concentration camps, and mandatory detention of minorities without trial you're totally okay with.

More muppetry. They are illegal immigrants who in any event can LEAVE any time they want.

Concentration camps? FFS, I assume you mean detention centres for illegal immigrants. Which party brought them in? Was Bob Hawke far right? Who suspended habeus corpus in the UK? I dont suppose the salt mines were concentration camps in your case (no doubt you will tell us Stalin was somehow right wing)

If a relative of mine died in a concentration camp i would be extremely offended by your stupidity.

Take your quack views to question time where they belong.

the libertarians (who are the primary advocates of 'small government') tend to be white, heterosexual, men who aren't reliant on welfare to stay alive.
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How to associated coloured folk with welfare dependency. A Guardian reader would scream bigot at you for that.

 

[VineyIsLORD]

Those bloody libertarians and Bastiat disciples!

This thread is about nazism which as everyone on nodding terms with history knows is a movement of the left

The hint is in the title. Its not the hardest IQ test to pass.

You idiot.

 

[VineyIsLORD]

There are numerous books discussing fascism as an offshoot of socialism. Hardly a controversial notion. Google is your friend

If fascism is far right where is libertarianism? Logically that makes zero sense at all.

Its simply the Orwellian rewriting of language. Just as liberal now means nothing of the sort.

Fascism did have roots in socialism, that is true. Even Trotsky said that I believe.

That doesn't make it left wing.

Where socialism was about class solidarity, fascism took much of the popular socialist rhetoric of the time but altered it to be about national solidarity, while protecting the class structure, private property, free market etc.

So it's still right wing as *. It just borrowed the PR stuff from socialism.

Hitler literally went out of his way to give pro socialist speeches at one point simply because his own economics and politics was decidedly unpopular. But much like Tony Abbott making promises before he was elected, it was 100% bullshit.

 

[Thats Wright]

I must be missing a faith lol.

Antifa in Australia isnt an organised group matey. Its a political tendency in response to the far right.

If you want there to be less Antifa, take away the far right nonsense and they will literally have no purpose. The far right are far more violent, antisocial and dangerous.

Would you say antifa was more organized in Melbourne than other states?

Has the rise of the African youth becoming fearless and running amok in Melbourne coincided with the shepherding of antifa?

An African mate of mine suggested Apex wouldn't be trying this s**t on if people had guns.

Do you think recent immigrants should compromise in their settlement?

If necessary being pressured into behaving like normal citizens?

Or you're cool with Islamic law, violence and a new culture of fear, silence and violence being absorbed and guided into Australia's lifestyle?

 

[VineyIsLORD]

Would you say antifa was more organized in Melbourne than other states?

Has the rise of the African youth becoming fearless and running amok in Melbourne coincided with the shepherding of antifa?

An African mate of mine suggested Apex wouldn't be trying this s**t on if people had guns.

Do you think recent immigrants should compromise in their settlement?

If necessary being pressured into behaving like normal citizens?

Or you're cool with Islamic law, violence and a new culture of fear, silence and violence being absorbed and guided into Australia's lifestyle?

* you are a weird unit.

Absolute dog s**t posts as well. You constantly link things that have no link. Thats a sign of mental illness mate.

 

[igon value]

The hint is on the bloody tin

And North Korea is actually a democratic republic. Its in the name.

Carn medusala you dummy. Is Nork a democratic republic? THE HINT IS ON THE TIN!

 

[igon value]

There are numerous books discussing fascism as an offshoot of socialism. Hardly a controversial notion. Google is your friend

So nothing. Pissweak.

If fascism is far right where is libertarianism? Logically that makes zero sense at all.

Its simply the Orwellian rewriting of language. Just as liberal now means nothing of the sort.

Yes, by you. Right wing - according the original definition that arose around the times of the French Revolution, is about defence of the existing and ancient power. Nothing more, nothing less.

Nazi worship of Volkisch mores and their hatred of modernism as a reactionary movement to the revolutions of post-Enlightenment Europe is fundamentally right wing.

 

[Thats Wright]

**** you are a weird unit.

Absolute dog s**t posts as well. You constantly link things that have no link. Thats a sign of mental illness mate.

Have you noticed the African youth waltzing around causing havoc?

You can't see the link between your 'crowd' of violent nerds and the effect on law enforcement and free pass to this particular minority?

I'm not saying anarchy is part of your movement but the lack of resistance and trepidation amongst the police and community seems to be replacing the bogan flag wavers in the short term.

Just an observation mate, as I'm sure your cause has it's merits.

I'm just not sure the modern impatient, facebooking, disrespectful and materialistic version of your cause is compatible with how Australia sustains its multicultural and relatively accepting society.

 

[My name geoff]

Funny....Never seemed to be an issue before 9/11 & U.S invasions.

You need to get some perspective

 

[VineyIsLORD]

Have you noticed the African youth waltzing around causing havoc?

You can't see the link between your 'crowd' of violent nerds and the effect on law enforcement and free pass to this particular minority?

I'm not saying anarchy is part of your movement but the lack of resistance and trepidation amongst the police and community seems to be replacing the bogan flag wavers in the short term.

Just an observation mate, as I'm sure your cause has it's merits.

I'm just not sure the modern impatient, facebooking, disrespectful and materialistic version of your cause is compatible with how Australia sustains its multicultural and relatively accepting society.

Your hypothesis has no merit and is unrealistic and paranoid.

 

[My name geoff]

Alot of ad hoc generalizations here....All 3 Islamic nations were generally secular & peace-loving....The trouble was they were doing too well & hence a perceived threat to Israel....Not to mention the neo-cons desire for their oil.

Islam is not interested in usury, as unlike the Zionists, they actually believe in the concepts of God & Justice.

None of them were greatly armed or looking to invade other countries....Though your MSM cultivated, Anti-Muslim bias, is duly noted.

How can you ignore Saudi arabias part in this

 

[Taylor]

I could see how fascism could be an offshoot of socialism because that left based policy has to dislodge a power and that power won't lose it's influence because the socialist group has made a change - they have to enforce it by becoming the new state power. Ta-dah, fascists.

New boss, same as old boss. I think it speaks more to political leanings being a means to a end for power hungry people, so don't put too much faith into politicians who have hijacked your cause and will climb over your body to enjoy the view a bit higher.

 

[Thats Wright]

Your hypothesis has no merit and is unrealistic and paranoid.

Is antifa bigger in Melbourne than other states?

 

[My name geoff]

Traditionally; center to center right. In more recent times they've lurched probably a bit further to the right.

You'll find that since the advent of the welfare state across much of Europe, Australia and the United States, (which followed the evolution of libertarianism to liberalism, particularly social liberalism and its theories of negative liberty contrasted with positive liberty) the libertarians (who are the primary advocates of 'small government') tend to be white, heterosexual, men who aren't reliant on welfare to stay alive.

Point in case, yourself.

When they/ you say 'Small government', what they're/ you're really saying is 'get rid of the welfare state, stop helping minorities and stop taxing the wealthy.' They are invariably conservatives just dressing their bullsh*t up in a different label. The truth of the matter is they don't care about the size of government; they just care that the laws should target the minorities and not the wealthy. They'll oppose regulations for big corporate money earners, but on the other hand will support the imposition of Machiavellian and complex criminal laws for the poor.

You wouldn't go so far as to condone genocide or death squad Meds. Only far right wing nutters do that. Concentration camps, and mandatory detention of minorities without trial you're totally okay with.

I mean you identified as a libertarian yourself. You agree that your political positions are conservative. Conservatism is right wing.

If I'm wrong and you have a left-wing political position I'd love to hear it. I'm not holding my breath however.

When people say libertarianism, I would say that is an anti-state coercion movement rather than "stop helping minorities and stop taxing the wealthy" like you have dressed it up to be.

Libertarians want to reduce regulations for everyone, not just big corporations. The idea is that less regulation would mean less big corporate mone earners, less monopoly of industry.

 

[Gough]

Libertarians are the most pathetic political creatures known to man. No regulations!!!!!!!!*



*Except the ones I agree with.

 

[Procrastinator35]

How can you ignore Saudi Arabias part in this

And yet, if true, they still remain a U.S ally & untouchable....Even though their the maddest Salafist fundy's going around....Go figure eh.

 

[igon value]

I could see how fascism could be an offshoot of socialism because that left based policy has to dislodge a power and that power won't lose it's influence because the socialist group has made a change - they have to enforce it by becoming the new state power. Ta-dah, fascists.

New boss, same as old boss. I think it speaks more to political leanings being a means to a end for power hungry people, so don't put too much faith into politicians who have hijacked your cause and will climb over your body to enjoy the view a bit higher.

Except Fascism has a cult of tradition and wants society to return to an imagined ideal world of the past.

See Umberto Eco's Ur-Fascism essay.

Revolutionaries in France went to insane lengths to completely and utterly reject the past and everything that was a representation of its former power.

 

[Crankyhawk]

The level of toxicity on this site since the Trump victory has been incredible. I will admit that I have been sucked into it a little and sunk low for parodying or pisstaking reasons.

There are some truly bitter twisted people on this site that have further shown their true colours over the last few months.

This board is a pure cesspool now most likely because the board was slanted in a particular direction and the pendulum for public office has swung the other way.

Isn't that the main reason for being on SRP? Particularly the international events part, given that (generally) we in Australia have no ability to have direct influence.

 

[Taylor]

Except Fascism has a cult of tradition and wants society to return to an imagined ideal world of the past.

See Umberto Eco's Ur-Fascism essay.

Revolutionaries in France went to insane lengths to completely and utterly reject the past and everything that was a representation of its former power.

Does fascism only desire for a romantic past? Could it not want to also enforce a romantic ideal yet to be created? That is the essense of left leaning policy, minus the force but left leaning policy minus force is just an idea.

 

[igon value]

Does fascism only desire for a romantic past?

Pretty much, yes.

All strains of it - Nazism, Italian fascism, Islamofascism - have as a central goal a desire to return to the way things were, even if that time never really existed.

A romanticised utopian future that looks dystopic to the skeptical can probably be represented as communism and socialism, that is true.

But one of the defining features of fascism is to undo the modern world and return it to the idealised past.