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Spearhead said:
I think you will find Bakes was definately at South Bunbury in 1977 as well & maybe 79 before the 1980 season & then finally on to Swan Districts & Essendon!
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I remember going to the first game of the season in 1980 at Hands Oval and Baker kicked 10 from full forward and from memory it was a "bloody hell, who's this bloke?" type of moment so I don't think he played in 1979. It's also 30 years ago so it could well be a case of faulty memory on my part. I seem to recall he had come from Queensland but was a Vic but again that could be my mind filling in the blanks from after the event.
 
5+ goal hauls per WAFL season (1928-2013)

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Record year was 1980 with 123 5+ goal hauls.

Record low was 32 in 2001 and 2002. To put that in perspective - 9 teams totalled 32 5+ goal hauls in each of the seasons. Claremont in 1981 had 33 for the season shared between just 5 players (Ralph - 11, Malaxos - 11, Farmer - 6, J Krakouer - 3, P Krakouer - 2).
 
Mockcockpit said:
Just some info on the great Leon Baker. He had only one season at South Bunbury, 1980, when the Tigers went through the season undefeated. The Crathern Medal is awarded in the Cairns footy comp. The SWFL (or SWNFL as it was back then) fairest and best is awarded the Hayward Medal.
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Much appreciated, I corrected my post, pretty bad to assign the medal to the wrong league! What I have now is listed below. Baker played in Cairns in '76 and '78, so I assume he did likewise in '77. '79 however, I'm not sure as I haven't found a reference.

????-1975 Avenel-Longwood Swans (VIC)
1976-1978? Souths Balaclava Swans (Cairns, QLD) (won the 1978 Crathern Medal (League B+F))
1979?-1980 South Bunbury Tigers (WA)
1981-1983 Swan Districts Swans (WA)
1984-1988 Essendon Bombers (VIC)

This article reports that Baker "turned up at Hands Oval in 1977 [Bunbury, WA] and played in a premiership in 1980". However, this article reports that Baker won the Crathern Medal in Cairns in 1978. I'm confused. If I had to guess I'd say the first article is mistaken and Baker turned up at Hands Oval in 1979.
 
red+black said:
Much appreciated, I corrected my post, pretty bad to assign the medal to the wrong league! What I have now is listed below. Baker played in Cairns in '76 and '78, so I assume he did likewise in '77. '79 however, I'm not sure as I haven't found a reference.

????-1975 Avenel-Longwood Swans (VIC)
1976-1978? Souths Balaclava Swans (Cairns, QLD) (won the 1978 Crathern Medal (League B+F))
1979?-1980 South Bunbury Tigers (WA)
1981-1983 Swan Districts Swans (WA)
1984-1988 Essendon Bombers (VIC)

This article reports that Baker "turned up at Hands Oval in 1977 [Bunbury, WA] and played in a premiership in 1980". However, this article reports that Baker won the Crathern Medal in Cairns in 1978. I'm confused. If I had to guess I'd say the first article is mistaken and Baker turned up at Hands Oval in 1979.
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I will repeat once again, Leon Baker played for South Bunbury in the SWFL in 1977 as well as 1980. He won the Jock Coleman Trophy for the fairest & best player for the SWFL in the Wesfarmers WA Country Football Championships in the year of 1977.
In the 1977 WA Football Register it says Leon came to South Bunbury from Bendigo where he had played the year before (1976).
Hope that helps settle this discussion once and for all!
P.s- Bakes was a travelling man who would take off with his Mrs (Spider) after every footy season looking for their next adventure. As UFG has posted previously Bakes was heading away up north after his brilliant debut season with Swans in 81 when flooded roads stopped his progress & Toddy was able to talk him into staying with the mighty Black & Whites for a few more seasons!! :D
 

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Spearhead said:
I will repeat once again, Leon Baker played for South Bunbury in the SWFL in 1977 as well as 1980. He won the Jock Coleman Trophy for the fairest & best player for the SWFL in the Wesfarmers WA Country Football Championships in the year of 1977.
In the 1977 WA Football Register it says Leon came to South Bunbury from Bendigo where he had played the year before (1976).
Hope that helps settle this discussion once and for all!
P.s- Bakes was a travelling man who would take off with his Mrs (Spider) after every footy season looking for their next adventure. As UFG has posted previously Bakes was heading away up north after his brilliant debut season with Swans in 81 when flooded roads stopped his progress & Toddy was able to talk him into staying with the mighty Black & Whites for a few more seasons!! :D
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Cheers mate, good info there though I can see how people can be led down the garden path. His wikipedia entry says he played in the 1980 grand final for Swans against South Fremantle which is wrong. He did win the Pike Medal for best on ground in the 1980 SWNFL grand final. He must have also polled well in the Hayward Medal for that year but didn't win it. Suspension perhaps as he was clearly the best player in the comp.
Spearhead are you from down south?
 
UpForGrabs said:
Happened a few times. Claremont in 1945 had the displeasure of being goalless at half time two weeks in a row:

YEAR | ROUND | TEAM | OPP | Q1 | Q2 | Q3 | Q4 | TOTAL | W/L | MARGIN
\1945|15|C|P|0.0|0.0|1.2|1.3|9|L|-126
\1945|16|C|EF|0.2|0.3|4.4|9.5|59|L|-98
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That score by Claremont is the equal lowest in the WAFL since 1921, and I am sure it was the last time a team failed to score in the first half until Peel Thunder did so against Subiaco during their winless 1999 season. Could a full list (not just since World War I) of teams that failed to score in:
  1. Q1 and Q2?
  2. Q2 and Q3?
  3. Q3 and Q4?
  4. Q1 and Q4?
be done??

That last one would be particularly interesting because no VFL/AFL team has failed to score in Q1 and Q4 for 94 seasons, and I cannot see an occurrence looking through WAFL scores. (While you are at it, how many times has a WAFL team won after being goalless in Q1 and Q4??) (In the AFL, that last happened in an oft-discussed match at Waverley in 1994).
 
mianfei said:
That score by Claremont is the equal lowest in the WAFL since 1921, and I am sure it was the last time a team failed to score in the first half until Peel Thunder did so against Subiaco during their winless 1999 season. Could a full list (not just since World War I) of teams that failed to score in:
  1. Q1 and Q2?
  2. Q2 and Q3?
  3. Q3 and Q4?
  4. Q1 and Q4?
be done??


That last one would be particularly interesting because no VFL/AFL team has failed to score in Q1 and Q4 for 94 seasons, and I cannot see an occurrence looking through WAFL scores. (While you are at it, how many times has a WAFL team won after being goalless in Q1 and Q4??) (In the AFL, that last happened in an oft-discussed match at Waverley in 1994).
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Shouldn't be a problem.

As always, will try and get this for you when I get home tonight.
 
Okay mianfei - here's as close to definitive as I can get (old match reports are, how shall we say, less than conclusive).

Scoreless Q1 + Q2

YEAR | RD | TEAM | OPP | Q1 | Q2 | Q3 | Q4 | TOTAL | W/L | MARGIN
\1898|12|ROV|WP|0.0|0.0|2.1|1.0|19|L|-70
\1899|12|P|EF|0.0|0.0|1.4|0.0|10|L|-59
\1899|17|P|WP|0.0|0.0|0.0|0.1|1|L|-100
\1901|12|NF|EF|0.0|0.0|2.4|0.2|18|L|-22
\1901|12|EF|NF|0.0|0.0|2.6|3.4|40|W|22
\1906|14|S|SF|0.0|0.0|0.0|0.0|0|L|-95
\1908|11|S|EF|0.0|0.0|1.0|1.0|12|L|-101
\1913|6|EP|WP|0.0|0.0|0.1|1.2|9|L|-17
\1944|15|SF|EP|0.0|0.0|1.1|0.3|10|L|-113
\1945|15|C|P|0.0|0.0|1.2|0.1|9|L|-126
\1999|11|PT|S|0.0|0.0|2.2|2.1|27|L|-89

Scoreless Q2 + Q3

YEAR | RD | TEAM | OPP | Q1 | Q2 | Q3 | Q4 | TOTAL | W/L | MARGIN
\1898|13|EF|WP|1.2|0.0|0.0|0.0|8|L|-65
\1899|15|P|EF|1.0|0.0|0.0|1.0|12|L|-92
\1899|17|P|WP|0.0|0.0|0.0|0.1|1|L|-100
\1901|10|S|EF|1.0|0.0|0.0|1.0|12|L|-33
\1902|9|S|P|2.2|0.0|0.0|0.2|16|L|-71
\1904|14|SF|P|2.3|0.0|0.0|0.0|15|L|-85
\1905|2|S|WP|2.3|0.0|0.0|0.2|17|L|-76
\1906|14|S|SF|0.0|0.0|0.0|0.0|0|L|-95
\1907|17|EP|EF|1.2|0.0|0.0|1.2|16|L|-67
\1909|1SF|EP|EF|1.4|0.0|0.0|2.1|23|L|-50
\1912|18|WP|SF|4.4|0.0|0.0|1.1|35|L|-17
\1920|15|WP|EP|2.0|0.0|0.0|2.1|25|L|-57
\1921|1|S|P|1.5|0.0|0.0|2.3|26|L|-74
\1942|14|C|EP|2.0|0.0|0.0|2.2|26|L|-56
\1967|15|EF|P|0.2|0.0|0.0|2.2|16|L|-90
\1998|18|P|WP|2.1|0.0|0.0|1.2|21|L|-24
I'll get to the other two later for you.
 
RedmanWasHere said:
You must have some sort of a database JT to be able to pluck gems like these.

P.s. they'd all be boring games to watch if the margin wasn't triple digit.
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Boringly, it's just one excel file for the matches.

Sheet 1 is the scores at the end of each quarter. Sheet 2 uses that data to figure out scores per quarter. Sheet 3 finds totals per quarter... Too many formulas and I'm sure I'm doing it wrong, but oh well :)
 
Here's the rest of the info for you mianfei

Scoreless Q3 + Q4

YEAR | RD | TEAM | OPP | Q1 | Q2 | Q3 | Q4 | TOTAL | W/L | MARGIN
\1898|1|EF|ROV|0.1|0.1|0.0|0.0|2|L|-26
\1898|13|EF|WP|1.2|0.0|0.0|0.0|8|L|-65
\1903|10|P|EF|0.0|0.3|0.0|0.0|3|L|-57
\1904|14|SF|P|2.3|0.0|0.0|0.0|15|L|-85
\1905|15|S|P|0.5|2.3|0.0|0.0|20|L|-28
\1906|2|NF|MJ|1.1|1.6|0.0|0.0|19|L|-73
\1906|7|EP|P|1.1|1.2|0.0|0.0|15|L|-26
\1906|8|WP|EF|2.1|1.2|0.0|0.0|21|L|-21
\1906|14|S|SF|0.0|0.0|0.0|0.0|0|L|-95
\1907|10|MJ|P|0.2|3.3|0.0|0.0|23|L|-1
\1908|7|SF|NF|1.0|2.5|0.0|0.0|23|L|-12
\1909|4|WP|P|0.5|1.2|0.0|0.0|13|L|-38
\1912|1|WP|S|0.1|0.2|0.0|0.0|3|L|-42
\1915|9|EF|P|0.1|2.1|0.0|0.0|14|L|-4
\1915|16|S|EP|0.0|2.1|0.0|0.0|13|L|-9
\1915|17|NF|S|1.2|0.3|0.0|0.0|11|L|-95
\1918|2|SF|EP|0.0|1.0|0.0|0.0|6|L|-111
\1918|6|P|EF|4.4|4.5|0.0|0.0|57|W|8
\1954|14|S|EF|1.4|0.1|0.0|0.0|11|L|-56
\2000|14|PT|EF|4.4|0.1|0.0|0.0|29|L|-30

Scoreless Q1 + Q4

YEAR | RD | TEAM | OPP | Q1 | Q2 | Q3 | Q4 | TOTAL | W/L | MARGIN
\1899|12|P|EF|0.0|0.0|1.4|0.0|10|L|-59
\1903|1|SF|EF|0.0|1.0|3.0|0.0|24|L|-28
\1903|10|P|EF|0.0|0.3|0.0|0.0|3|L|-57
\1903|16|NF|EF|0.0|4.2|0.0|0.0|26|L|-35
\1904|5|S|P|0.0|1.1|0.1|0.0|8|L|-107
\1905|10|MJ|WP|0.0|0.2|0.1|0.0|3|L|-53
\1906|14|S|SF|0.0|0.0|0.0|0.0|0|L|-95
\1907|9|NF|EF|0.0|2.0|2.1|0.0|25|L|-21
\1908|16|S|NF|0.0|1.3|2.0|0.0|21|L|-48
\1909|13|NF|P|0.0|1.0|1.2|0.0|14|L|-38
\1912|2|NF|SF|0.0|1.5|1.9|0.0|26|L|-27
\1913|11|SF|S|0.0|3.5|0.2|0.0|25|L|-16
\1915|16|S|EP|0.0|2.1|0.0|0.0|13|L|-9
\1918|2|SF|EP|0.0|1.0|0.0|0.0|6|L|-111
 
Who has played the most WAFL games as captain?

Which WAFL players have played the most career games without scoring a goal?
 

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RedmanWasHere said:
You must have some sort of a database JT to be able to pluck gems like these.

P.s. they'd all be boring games to watch if the margin wasn’t triple digit.
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I don’t think so. The skill involved can be far more fascinating than a game of high scores - at least that’s how I imagine the 1967 game at Lathlain Park where East Fremantle could do nothing for over three quarters. Perth must have done remarkably well to score 2-1 to nothing into a howling gale in rain.
worbod said:
Which WAFL players have played the most career games without scoring a goal?
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West Perth’s Maxwell Tetley played 210 games without scoring a goal between 1931 and 1941, which may be the record for all major Australian Rules leagues but I am not certain of this. It is 28 more games than the VFL/AFL record. Tetley was, with Ted Tyson, “Checker” O‘Keefe and Norm McDiarmid, one of four mainstays of the Cardinals during a rollercoaster decade that saw them descend from two premierships to a record losing streak in 1938 and 1939, then rise equally rapidly to a premiership in the last open-age season of 1941.
 
So - just looking at quarters won and lost per season, and the longest streaks of either, trying to help me find a definitive list of the most dominant (or horrible) WAFL teams in history.

Peel Thunder's first season... wow.

Won their first ever quarter by 7 points, and then lost their next 23 quarters. Also had another streak of 20 quarters lost in a row in that same season.

They won 10 quarters for the entire season (out of 80 played). Ouch.

On the flipside, Claremont's dominant 2012 team won 26 quarters in a row at one stage, while Subiaco's all-conquering 2008 team (who lost one match for the entire season) won a massive 71 out of the 88 quarters they played for the season (including finals).
 
UpForGrabs said:
So - just looking at quarters won and lost per season, and the longest streaks of either, trying to help me find a definitive list of the most dominant (or horrible) WAFL teams in history.
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  • Midland Junction in 1917 won only three quarters out of 47 decisive (one was tied)
  • South Fremantle’s under-age team in 1944 won only six of 76 quarters (one of 47 consecutive at one point)
Looking at peacetime figures since World War One, there certainly is nothing to compare with Peel in 1997 to 1999 and 2003. Subiaco in 1980 won only 17 quarters out of 84, Swan Districts in 2002 only fifteen of 69 decisive quarters, Swan Districts in 1995 only 18 of 84, Swan Districts in 1952 only 17 quarters out of 77 decisive, and West Perth in 1939 only 18 of 76 decisive, but there is nothing to compare with the worst wartime records.
 
Up For Grabs,

hope this isn't too obscure as question. How many WAFL players would be considered as greats of the game even though they did not make it to 100 games? I'm curious about players who would be talked about as supremely talented in the same way as are John Coleman (98 games), Laurie Nash (99), Ron Todd (76) and Colin Watson (93) in the VFL/AFL, and even one of your own Graham Moss (84).
 
worbod said:
Up For Grabs,

hope this isn't too obscure as question. How many WAFL players would be considered as greats of the game even though they did not make it to 100 games? I'm curious about players who would be talked about as supremely talented in the same way as are John Coleman (98 games), Laurie Nash (99), Ron Todd (76) and Colin Watson (93) in the VFL/AFL, and even one of your own Graham Moss (84).
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It's a tough one, definitely. And one I don't know if I could answer it.

So many of our players who were great or went on to be great and played less than 100 games for their club did so because of the lure of the VFL.
  • So would someone like Gary Buckenara and his 60+ games for Subiaco sides which barely rose above mediocre qualify?
  • The Krakouer brothers left an impression in their time at Claremont (90 games for Phil, 88 for Jim) that's probably unmatched in recent times.
  • Then you've got Haydn Bunton Snr, who took home three Sandover Medals in four seasons pre-WWII in just 72 league games.
Of course, if we remove the games restriction, and we begin talking about the biggest "what if?" careers in WAFL footy history, the talk will lead and ultimately settle upon one man - John Todd.

Those who saw him play in 1955 (his first season of league footy as a 17 year old) say that he was on a different level. I've mentioned that my wife's grandfather was a Souths player, and knew Todd quite well before they had a falling out. Even though his thoughts on the man himself centre around the less-than-savoury characteristics, his thoughts on Todd are clear. He was the best football player he's ever seen and no one has come close.

That he managed 132 games for South Fremantle while on one leg, and that he should win club best and fairests, an All Australian jumper? I think it's remarkable.

To think how that would have translated had he not wrecked his knee in 1956 is probably our Coleman equivalent, except if Coleman's only fit season was his 100-goal debut year in 1949.

I don't doubt for a single second that Todd, if fit, would have spent his entire career in WA. He would have made the move to Victoria I'm certain. His drive was seemingly to be the best footballer, and I don't know if he would have been satisfied if he resisted the VFL clubs.
 
With the 2014 WAFL season just around the corner, here is a list of the longest droughts in the WAFL. One wonders if they will break this year, or any time soon:

LEAGUE PREMIERSHIP: Perth has not won since they trounced East Fremantle in 1977.

GRAND FINAL APPEARANCE: Perth's last Grand Final appearance was way back in 1978, when East Perth narrowly beat the Demons in teeming rain.

MINOR PREMIERSHIP: Perth last headed the ladder in 1978.

RODRIEGUEZ SHIELD: Again, success-starved Perth last won this award for the best team in all grades in 1978

FINALS APPEARANCE: Perth last played finals in 1997, while Peel Thunder has never played finals since commencing the same year.

WOODEN SPOON: WAFL powerhouse Claremont last finished bottom in 1975. Gough Whitlam was Prime Minister at the time.

SIMPSON MEDAL: Wim Rosbender is the last Perth player to win a Simpson Medal when best afield in the 1977 Grand Final

SANDOVER MEDAL: No West Perth player has won the Sandover Medal since Neil Mildenhall in 1993.

LEADING GOAL-KICKER: An individual award that has eluded West Perth for over 40 years, with no Falcon topping the goal-kicking since Phil Smith in 1973

FINALS MEETING: The last finals match played between Perth and West Perth was the First Semi Final in 1976, won by the Demons

TEAMS IN THE SAME FINALS SERIES: The last finals series to contain both Perth and West Perth was 1978.

CENTURY WIN: Peel has never won a game by 100-points or more since their 1997 debut

RESERVES PREMIERSHIP: West Perth has developed a hoodoo in the Reserves Grand Final, last winning it in 1960. They have lost plenty of times along the way, most recently to South Fremantle in 2013.

COLTS PREMIERSHIP: Subiaco won its first, and to date only Colts premiership in 1989. West Perth last won the Colts a year later in 1990.
 

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emuboy said:
WOODEN SPOON: WAFL powerhouse Claremont last finished bottom in 1975. Gough Whitlam was Prime Minister at the time.
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Not saying it'll happen - but this one isn't completely out of the realm of possibility. The amount of turnover that Claremont's had since their 2012 flag is remarkable, plus they've just got their second new coach in three seasons.

Also - that coach is Michael Broadbridge. Eagles fans still shudder when his name is mentioned.
 
UpForGrabs said:
Poor Perth :(
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Yes, poor old Perth haven't been travelling too well for many years now. If counting back in years, Perth's last premiership was closer in time to World War 2 than today. The Demons have the central-southern suburbs (South Perth, Victoria Park, Bentley, Belmont), the heavily populated Gosnells area in the southern corridor and the Avon-Mortlock country region, just over an hour out of Perth as their recruiting zones, so to be down for so long is just unbelievable.

Here's a couple I meant to post yesterday but forgot:

GRAND FINAL MATCH-UPS: The last time Subiaco and Perth played off in a Grand Final was in 1915, and it is hard to imagine that drought ending at 99 years this year. A number of the 8 traditional WAFL clubs have never met in a Grand Final, and these are Swan Districts vs Perth, Swan Districts vs West Perth and Claremont vs Perth.

DRAWN GAMES: East Fremantle has not played a draw since tying with West Perth in the 1989 First Semi Final, with the Sharks winning the replay. Had this game been played just 2 years later, it could not have been a draw as extra time would have been played. Unbelievably, this tie with the Falcons is East Fremantle's only drawn game since 1974. Some other WAFL clubs have also not drawn for more than a decade, and these are South Fremantle in 1997, and Subiaco in 2001.
 
Season reviews, records and individual match reviews including goalscorers and player stats (where available) for the following seasons are online now:

1930 - 1934, 1950-1951, 1953, 1957-1990, 1995-2013 - Remaining seasons will be added shortly as will new WAFL records, team and venue records pages will also be added shortly.

http://waflfootyfacts.net/seasons.html
 

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