Bluebear
Brownlow Medallist
This thread is intended for one purpose. To provide some more analysis of the disposal of these three to aid the current discussions in other threads.
May I state several things to begin with:
1. I love all three players (not in that way), and think they all all in our best 18.
2. I think Waite and Walker have the potential to become among the leagues elite.
3. I realise that this is one game only, and that players should be judged over broader time frames.
4. I also realise that this is very subjective and someone else watching the same footage will draw different conclusions.
The following was based on observations of the NAB cup game vs Hawks.
Players possessions were counted and differentiated based on:
Walker
4 kicks under pressure, 2 hit targets, 2 misses resulting in one turnover
11 kicks with no pressure, 7 hits, 4 misses incl. 1 oob and 2 turnovers
3 Handballs with pressure, 3 without, all hit targets.
Total possessions
15 kicks, 9 hits, 6 misses, 3 turnovers.
6 handballs, 6 hits
Hoops
3 pressure kicks, 2 hits, 1 miss, no turnover.
5 no pressure kicks, 3 hits, 2 miss incl 1 turnover
5 handballs with pressure, 3 without, all hit targets.
Total possessions
8 kicks, 5 hits, 3 miss, 1 turnover
8 handballs, 8 hits
Waite
2 pressure kicks, 1 hit, 1 miss, no turnover
6 no pressure kicks, 4 hits, 2 miss, 2 turnover
2 pressure handballs, 2 hits
1 no pressure handball, 1 miss = turnover
Total possessions
8 kicks, 5 hits, 3 miss, 2 turnovers
3 handballs, 2 hits, one miss, 1 turnover
According to me then Walker had 6 misses with kicks, 4 of which re****ed in going back over his head.
To give an example of how this is scored, one kick was in the 4th Q to Lappin on the HBF. It reached Lappin on the bounce, he had to play on jamming it on his boot which went OOF and turnover.
This is Walkers turnover, not Lappins. The kick (as with one to Carrazzo) should have hit him on the full to mark. He then gets to turn and assess his options, driving it long towards the HF line, instead, due to a skill error the Hawks are kicking it back at their forward line.
Again, may I state, I love all three players.
I just don't like people inventing truths about how well they play.
e.g. Fantastic kick, crucified for one bad kick..........drivel
May I state several things to begin with:
1. I love all three players (not in that way), and think they all all in our best 18.
2. I think Waite and Walker have the potential to become among the leagues elite.
3. I realise that this is one game only, and that players should be judged over broader time frames.
4. I also realise that this is very subjective and someone else watching the same footage will draw different conclusions.
The following was based on observations of the NAB cup game vs Hawks.
Players possessions were counted and differentiated based on:
- Under pressure (opponent within 2m) or no pressure
- Whether it hits the intended target
- Whether it missess (overshoots/undershoots) the target
- Whether it resulted in a direct turnover.
Walker
4 kicks under pressure, 2 hit targets, 2 misses resulting in one turnover
11 kicks with no pressure, 7 hits, 4 misses incl. 1 oob and 2 turnovers
3 Handballs with pressure, 3 without, all hit targets.
Total possessions
15 kicks, 9 hits, 6 misses, 3 turnovers.
6 handballs, 6 hits
Hoops
3 pressure kicks, 2 hits, 1 miss, no turnover.
5 no pressure kicks, 3 hits, 2 miss incl 1 turnover
5 handballs with pressure, 3 without, all hit targets.
Total possessions
8 kicks, 5 hits, 3 miss, 1 turnover
8 handballs, 8 hits
Waite
2 pressure kicks, 1 hit, 1 miss, no turnover
6 no pressure kicks, 4 hits, 2 miss, 2 turnover
2 pressure handballs, 2 hits
1 no pressure handball, 1 miss = turnover
Total possessions
8 kicks, 5 hits, 3 miss, 2 turnovers
3 handballs, 2 hits, one miss, 1 turnover
According to me then Walker had 6 misses with kicks, 4 of which re****ed in going back over his head.
To give an example of how this is scored, one kick was in the 4th Q to Lappin on the HBF. It reached Lappin on the bounce, he had to play on jamming it on his boot which went OOF and turnover.
This is Walkers turnover, not Lappins. The kick (as with one to Carrazzo) should have hit him on the full to mark. He then gets to turn and assess his options, driving it long towards the HF line, instead, due to a skill error the Hawks are kicking it back at their forward line.
Again, may I state, I love all three players.
I just don't like people inventing truths about how well they play.
e.g. Fantastic kick, crucified for one bad kick..........drivel
