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This is the thread for discussing the War in Ukraine. Should you want to discuss the geopolitics, the history, or an interesting tangent, head over here:


If a post isn't directly concerning the events of the war or starts to derail the thread, report the post to us and we'll move it over there.

Seeing as multiple people seem to have forgotten, abuse is against the rules of BF. Continuous, page long attacks directed at a single poster in this thread will result in threadbans for a week from this point; doing so again once you have returned will make the bans permanent and will be escalated to infractions.

This thread still has misinformation rules, and occasionally you will be asked to demonstrate a claim you have made by moderation. If you cannot, you will be offered the opportunity to amend the post to reflect that it's opinion, to remove the post, or you will be threadbanned and infracted for sharing misinformation.

Addendum: from this point, use of any variant of the word 'orc' to describe combatants, politicians or russians in general will be deleted and the poster will receive a warning. If the behaviour continues, it will be escalated. Consider this fair warning.

Finally: If I see the word Nazi or Hitler being flung around, there had better have a good faith basis as to how it's applicable to the Russian invasion - as in, video/photographic evidence of POW camps designed to remove another ethnic group - or to the current Ukrainian army. If this does not occur, you will be threadbanned for posting off topic

This is a sensitive area, and I understand that this makes for fairly incensed conversation sometimes. This does not mean the rules do not apply, whether to a poster positing a Pro-Ukraine stance or a poster positing an alternative view.

Behave, people.
 
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If Trump's
Krasnov isn’t going to take that well!

Can see Macron and France being on the receiving end of some fake tirade.
Krasnov couldn't care less about Macron's "fact checking", any more than Trump does.
Imperialist politics is not about who is telling the truth and who isn't.
It is about who is in the strongest position to knife his previous ally in the back in order to secure an advantage.
All Krasnov cares about is Trump's ability to strongarm Zelensky into a deal that favours the US, while giving Russia a few advantages as well.
 
If Trump's
Krasnov couldn't care less about Macron's "fact checking", any more than Trump does.
Imperialist politics is not about who is telling the truth and who isn't.
It is about who is in the strongest position to knife his previous ally in the back in order to secure an advantage.
All Krasnov cares about is Trump's ability to strongarm Zelensky into a deal that favours the US, while giving Russia a few advantages as well.
Ummm, you know Krasnov is Trump, right?
 
oops...sorry, ...I don't follwo conspiracy theories
Yeah but in usual form you had no idea who was actually being discussed but still had to give us your informed expert opinion.

Can't wait for the gymnastics as you try to find some similar kind of name to pretend you mistook it for that person.

Tell us more about what Krasnov expects of Trump. Fknlol
 

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Yeah but in usual form you had no idea who was actually being discussed but still had to give us your informed expert opinion.

Can't wait for the gymnastics as you try to find some similar kind of name to pretend you mistook it for that person.

Tell us more about what Krasnov expects of Trump. Fknlol
Don't give a proverbial f** about conspiracy theories that you think are worth discussing/referencing.
I am not going to give any excuse for anything.
Everything I write is explaining the unfolding events. That is all i care about
 
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Are we seeing the next iteration of the Axis of Evil?
The USA, North Korea, and Russia.
I've seen people saying Trump is being clever, and is trying to prise Russia and China apart.

Maybe that's what he thinks he is doing, buti think Putin is trying to separate the US from the West.

The difference being, Putin's plan is working, and Trump's isn't.

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I've seen people saying Trump is being clever, and is trying to prise Russia and China apart.

Maybe that's what he thinks he is doing, buti think Putin is trying to separate the US from the West.

The difference being, Putin's plan is working, and Trump's isn't.

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If he was actually even a skerrick of a modicum of a bit smart, he would realise that providing worthwhile assistance to Ukraine could pretty much end Russia as even a moderate threat.

Then he wouldn't need to worry about prising them and China apart.

Nope, we all know Putin has him over a barrel about something.

What we don't know is why all the Republicans (who aren't under the threat of some mysterious personal extortion) are going along with it.
 
I've seen people saying Trump is being clever, and is trying to prise Russia and China apart.

Maybe that's what he thinks he is doing, buti think Putin is trying to separate the US from the West.

The difference being, Putin's plan is working, and Trump's isn't.

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It's Trump who is separating the US from Europe...not Putin.
Putin is ecstatic, because Trump right now is helping him out.
Trump is saying: Biden's plan to inflict a strategic defeat on Russia and overthrow Putin has proved to be a catastrophically costly mistake.
Both Russia and Putin are still intact.
So, let's use Vlad to concoct a settlement in Ukraine which will satisfy Russia and at the same time hand over vast amounts of Ukraine's mineral wealth to the US.
Putin is saying: Ok with me, since now we can stop the war war on reasonable terms for Russia. Moreover, Trump's willngness to backstab Europe will cause chaos within the NATO alliance, and destroy the unity of the EU.
Temporarily, Putin and Trump's foreign policy objectives are in alignment.
Won;t last long.
But while it does, prepare to see all the conspiracy theorists emerge from the woodwork and insist that Trump is an agent of Putin.
 
Yeah, not sure why I held on so long but final straw for me was him trying to correct a poster about Krasnov's opinion about Trump when he had zero idea that Krasnov was Trump...had no idea who Krasnov was, but felt entitled to correct someone else about what Krasnov's thoughts are.

Then when called out on it tries to deflect by saying he gives no ****s about conspiracy theories and says everything he writes is explaining unfolding events.

It's not just that he continually displays he has NFI yet still thinks he is in a position to 'explain unfolding events'; but the fact that he makes ill-informed comment about 'Krasnov', and when it is pointed out he does not even know who Krasnov is, says he does not give a **** about conspiracies not worth discussing/referencing.

Literally comments on a conspiracy theory, despite having no knowledge of that theory, and then defends by saying he does not comment on conspiracies. Despite no knowledge of who Krasnov is, he puts forward his opinion of something that never happened...then defends his incorrect statements of something that never happened by saying everything he writes is explaining unfolding events.
 
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Not legislation. Not a medical code. Just cash prizes.

It's likely such practices will force those in need to seek untrained assistance in times of need.

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Yeah, not sure why I held on so long but final straw for me was him trying to correct a poster about Krasnov's opinion about Trump when he had zero idea that Krasnov was Trump...had no idea who Krasnov was, but felt entitled to correct someone else about what Krasnov's thoughts are.

Then when called out on it tries to deflect by saying he gives no ****s about conspiracy theories and says everything he writes is explaining unfolding events.

It's not just that he continually displays he has NFI yet still thinks he is in a position to 'explain unfolding events'; but the fact that he makes ill-informed comment about 'Krasnov', and when it is pointed out he does not even know who Krasnov is, says he does not give a **** about conspiracies not worth discussing/referencing.

Literally comments on a conspiracy theory, despite having no knowledge of that theory, and then defends by saying he does not comment on conspiracies. Despite no knowledge of who Krasnov is, he puts forward his opinion of something that never happened...then defends his incorrect statements of something that never happened by saying everything he writes is explaining unfolding events.

Easier to understand when said poster can only reply based off scripts.
 

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It's Trump who is separating the US from Europe...not Putin.
Putin is ecstatic, because Trump right now is helping him out.
Trump is saying: Biden's plan to inflict a strategic defeat on Russia and overthrow Putin has proved to be a catastrophically costly mistake.
Both Russia and Putin are still intact.
So, let's use Vlad to concoct a settlement in Ukraine which will satisfy Russia and at the same time hand over vast amounts of Ukraine's mineral wealth to the US.
Putin is saying: Ok with me, since now we can stop the war war on reasonable terms for Russia. Moreover, Trump's willngness to backstab Europe will cause chaos within the NATO alliance, and destroy the unity of the EU.
Temporarily, Putin and Trump's foreign policy objectives are in alignment.
Won;t last long.
But while it does, prepare to see all the conspiracy theorists emerge from the woodwork and insist that Trump is an agent of Putin.

Please stop with this argument. It's utterly bullshit and you know it. Australia, Canada, China & the US combined has 100 times the minerals that Ukraine has. There's nothing in Ukraine that the US needs and its reserves are utterly insignificant to the requirements of the US.


You had these facts posted previously - you are now in knowledge. Stop knowingly posting lies.
 
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Please stop with this argument. It's utterly bullshit and you know it. Australia, Canada, China & the US combined has 100 times the minerals that Ukraine has. There's nothing in Ukraine that the US needs and its reserves are utterly insignificant to the requirements of the US.


You had these facts posted previously - you are now in knowledge. Stop knowingly posting lies.
Why do the US keep trying to get these resources as compensation? Why are Ukraine refusing? The behaviour of each country is incongruent with your statements.
 
Why do the US keep trying to get these resources as compensation? Why are Ukraine refusing? The behaviour of each country is incongruent with your statements.

It's Trump saying this, not the US. And he does it for potential grifting opportunities. And let's be realistic here - Trump also said that Greenland & Canada should be annexed, Panama canal is owned by the US.

Trump will say many things off the top of his head that will not reflect official US policy, he's just that sort of bloke that shoots from the hip without thinking.


The simple facts are that Ukraine has nothing the US needs that the US can't get from either its own resources, or Australia, China & Canada in far larger amounts and logistically much easier too. There can be no disputing of this.
 

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The latest Jake Broe video is a doozey with Trump and Putin negotiating a trade deal over minerals in the occupied regions of Ukraine as well as Aluminium deal to undercut the Canadians.
 
It's important mineral resources. It's just not "rare earths" , which is a set of minerals/elements that Ukraine's resources isn't.

Can we get a chemist in here to explain?

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I don’t believe this is right. I invest in rare earths and lithium.

Ukraine has lithium - so do lots of places, it’s a commonly occurring substance. The value is in scale (either hard rock like in Australia or brine in South America).

Rare earths aren’t necessarily rare, and there are some rare earths that are far more valuable than others (standard demand and supply factors). Sure rare earths are distributed through the world, but it’s the concentration, basket, and ppm of rare earths that determines value. Without knowing the exact composition of what rare earths Ukraine has, it’s impossible to comment on its value. The fact the US want it, and Ukraine don’t want to hand it all over suggests that there is some value.

Also, rare earths are complex to extract and refine, and can cause a lot of environmental damage, particularly if the rare earths are in clay. This is why China has been so dominant and why many western countries cannot commercialise their rare earth deposits - environmental regulations prevent them from mining.

Given that Ukraine may not have the same environmental restrictions, there may be a situation where the rare earths earth composition stacks up and they can mine commercially in Ukraine.
 
I love how this guy is being mostly ignored now. I'm not even getting through his posts anymore, reading overly verbose Kremlin bullshit is way down my list of things to do.
^I don't write my posts for the list of losers who liked your post. I write for the odd person who is not brainwashed with Ukrainian nationalist propaganda and Australian government propaganda who occasionally comes on this thread.
 
I don’t believe this is right. I invest in rare earths and lithium.

Ukraine has lithium - so do lots of places, it’s a commonly occurring substance. The value is in scale (either hard rock like in Australia or brine in South America).

Rare earths aren’t necessarily rare, and there are some rare earths that are far more valuable than others (standard demand and supply factors). Sure rare earths are distributed through the world, but it’s the concentration, basket, and ppm of rare earths that determines value. Without knowing the exact composition of what rare earths Ukraine has, it’s impossible to comment on its value. The fact the US want it, and Ukraine don’t want to hand it all over suggests that there is some value.

Also, rare earths are complex to extract and refine, and can cause a lot of environmental damage, particularly if the rare earths are in clay. This is why China has been so dominant and why many western countries cannot commercialise their rare earth deposits - environmental regulations prevent them from mining.

Given that Ukraine may not have the same environmental restrictions, there may be a situation where the rare earths earth composition stacks up and they can mine commercially in Ukraine.
I agree, though lithium wasn't a rare earth element as far as I knew

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