War over Warnock

[go_the_dockers]

Carlton football manager Steven Icke said it seemed inevitable an AFL mediator would be called in. "We met with Fremantle this afternoon and there is every chance we will be needing to call in a mediator," he said.
"When you think about it, Fremantle are asking for an earlier second-round pick. We can't get it.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,24467947-23211,00.html

Fremantle must find the balance between pushing for the best deal and not getting anything.

Asking for pick 15-20 from Carlton is stupid as they dont have it. Surely they must ask for pick 24 + either pick 42?? or a suitable player.

At least then you are asking for something Carlton has and it would be a win win for both clubs.

Please note i am assuming the article is correct which may be a big assumption.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Carlton football manager Steven Icke said it seemed inevitable an AFL mediator would be called in. "We met with Fremantle this afternoon and there is every chance we will be needing to call in a mediator," he said.
"When you think about it, Fremantle are asking for an earlier second-round pick. We can't get it.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,24467947-23211,00.html

Fremantle must find the balance between pushing for the best deal and not getting anything.

Asking for pick 15-20 from Carlton is stupid as they dont have it. Surely they must ask for pick 24 + either pick 42?? or a suitable player.

At least then you are asking for something Carlton has and it would be a win win for both clubs.

Please note i am assuming the article is correct which may be a big assumption.

We would give Carlton pick 22 for Gibbs

 

[banana_bus]

How about Carlton get off their arses and try and make a deal for a pick between 15-20

Hawthorns pick 16 is up for grabs if they want to get involved in the OKeefe deal.

 

[Dannywce]

Fremantle, Pick 6 is to much for Warnock.
Carlton, Pick 24 isnt enough for Warnock.

So organise something else. Is it that hard?

 

[TradeWhispers]

Carlton are holding out hoping that Fremantle bend over and take 24.

I assure you Carlton better come prepared with a better offer otherwise Warnock is heading to Melbourne for pick 19.

 

[amos]

How about Carlton get off their arses and try and make a deal for a pick between 15-20

Hawthorns pick 16 is up for grabs if they want to get involved in the OKeefe deal.

I was thinking about this earlier. It makes sense;

Something like;

Pick 16 to Freo
Pick 24 to Sydney
Boyle to Sydney
Warnock to Carlton
O'Keefe to Hawthorn

Hawks lose 16 and Boyle
Blues lose 24
Freo lose Warnock
Carlton lose 24
Sydney lose O'Keefe

Carlton and Sydney may have to swap 3rd rounders also as if there's a slight shaft, it'd be those 2.

 

[LukeHodge15]

I just find it funny that Carlton are crying now with Freo threatening pre-season draft when this is exactly what they have been doing for years with Judd and Co.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Fremantle, Pick 6 is to much for Warnock.
Carlton, Pick 24 isnt enough for Warnock.

So organise something else. Is it that hard?

That is my point. This one trade is holding up a lot of other trades and surely it cant be too hard for carlton to offer 24 + a sweetener and then both club will be happy.

 

[Blues_Man]

Carlton are holding out hoping that Fremantle bend over and take 24.

I assure you Carlton better come prepared with a better offer otherwise Warnock is heading to Melbourne for pick 19.

Why would the Dees offer anything when they can just wait and pick him up for nothing in the PSD ..pretty stupid suggestion if you ask me .

Carlton have made their offer ..if Freo don't want to accept it it's their preogarative..let the dees take him for nothing and Carlton keep pick 24 ..which will be pretty handy in this draft .

Maybe " unlisted " can make Freo an offer

 

[banana_bus]

I was thinking about this earlier. It makes sense;

Something like;

Pick 16 to Freo
Pick 24 to Sydney
Boyle to Sydney
Warnock to Carlton
O'Keefe to Hawthorn

Hawks lose 16 and Boyle
Blues lose 24
Freo lose Warnock
Carlton lose 24
Sydney lose O'Keefe

Carlton and Sydney may have to swap 3rd rounders also as if there's a slight shaft, it'd be those 2.

So how is that different to Warnock for pick 24?

EDIT missed the part where Freo get pick 16

Still doesnt work though.

 

[Free Willy]

Carlton are holding out hoping that Fremantle bend over and take 24.

I assure you Carlton better come prepared with a better offer otherwise Warnock is heading to Melbourne for pick 19.

What is your assurance worth ?

 

[WeninRome]

Carlton are holding out hoping that Fremantle bend over and take 24.

I assure you Carlton better come prepared with a better offer otherwise Warnock is heading to Melbourne for pick 19.

no they won't. Why would they when they can get him for free in the PSD?

 

[amos]

So how is that different to Warnock for pick 24?

EDIT missed the part where Freo get pick 16

Still doesnt work though.

Yeh it does, mate. That's a ripper. Who'd be unhappy with that one?

Edit, seems unfair somewhere though seeing if all four parts of the deal were even, Hawks are giving up 16 and Boyle compared to the Blues' pick 24. Mmmmm. They could work on it some more.

 

[Kramer1]

Carlton are holding out hoping that Fremantle bend over and take 24.

I assure you Carlton better come prepared with a better offer otherwise Warnock is heading to Melbourne for pick 19.

Thanks for the assurance...somehow it seems so much more credible thanthe other 3000 posts on this topic. Clearly you are a man with his finger on the pulse.

 

[barnesy]

This is a real test case for free agency.

Apparently Warnock has indicated his preference for Carlton, so that also must be considered.

Is Pick 24 unreasonable? No

Is Pick 24 fair ? Not according to Fremantle which is ok as well.

The players association will keep an intriguing eye on this.

Unfortunately Freo are not going to get much more than Pick 24, if they can get Pick 19 from Melbourne half there luck, but if his genuine preference is Carlton then these situations need to be addressed by at least Wednesday.

Hope a clean outcome is reached.

 

[chriblue]

if there is no deal done by carlton and freo over warnock, melbourne shouldnt even try trade for him as he nominated for the pre season draft, may as well keep their picks and get a player.

 

[banana_bus]

Yeh it does, mate. That's a ripper. Who'd be unhappy with that one?

Edit, seems unfair somewhere though seeing if all four parts of the deal were even, Hawks are giving up 16 and Boyle compared to the Blues' pick 24. Mmmmm. They could work on it some more.

Yeah Carlton are just giving up pick 24 still...

 

[TIGER03]

Why would the Dees offer anything when they can just wait and pick him up for nothing in the PSD ..pretty stupid suggestion if you ask me .

Carlton have made their offer ..if Freo don't want to accept it it's their preogarative..let the dees take him for nothing and Carlton keep pick 24 ..which will be pretty handy in this draft .

Maybe " unlisted " can make Freo an offer

it would be that easy if carlton were not that desprate for him. he has nominated your club, its up to the blues now to meet the requirements, or close to it.

pick 24 + player should be the outcome.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

I was thinking about this earlier. It makes sense;

Something like;

Pick 16 to Freo
Pick 24 to Sydney
Boyle to Sydney
Warnock to Carlton
O'Keefe to Hawthorn

Hawks lose 16 and Boyle
Blues lose 24
Freo lose Warnock
Carlton lose 24
Sydney lose O'Keefe

Carlton and Sydney may have to swap 3rd rounders also as if there's a slight shaft, it'd be those 2.

But Carlton still only have to stump up pick 24 for Warnock?????

 

[TradeWhispers]

You'll see exactly how right I am by Close of Trade tomorrow.

Melbourne have advised Fremantle they are not out to compromise Fremantle's bid to secure the best possible deal for Robbie.

Melbourne have already put pick 19 on the table should Carlton not come up with a suitable trade.

 

[amos]

But Carlton still only have to stump up pick 24 for Warnock?????

Yeh, I posted again after that initial post, mate, and acknowledged the unbalance there. I think it's the basis of something though.

 

[Obeanie1]

So how is that different to Warnock for pick 24?

EDIT missed the part where Freo get pick 16

Still doesnt work though.

It isn't, Carlton still pay 24 and get Warnock.

Only difference is the Swans get shafted not Freo, and why would the Swans give up 16 for 24 to help out Carlton and Freo

They wouldn't even bother considering it.

Carlton are just playing the trade game hoping Freo's form will continue in trade week. TBH I think 24 is fair enough.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

How about Carlton get off their arses and try and make a deal for a pick between 15-20

Hawthorns pick 16 is up for grabs if they want to get involved in the OKeefe deal.

Geez it is all too simple for some people isn't it?

Firstly, who says Warnock is worth that pick? A lot of people around here don't that's for sure.

Secondly, to get a pick between 15-20 in this draft, you have to give up something good. This would mean a regular best 22 player. Thornton won't cut it, Fisher won't cut it, Houlihan won't cut it. We are not about to give up a decent young defender in Jamison or Bower. Who do you think should go?

Thirdly, once you nominate said player and demonstrate how their value is only equal to Warnock's value, maybe you can suggest how they would consent to be traded to Fremantle? Remember, the player can refuse any trade and stay with the club if he is contracted or go into the draft if he is not contracted.

 

[amos]

It isn't, Carlton still pay 24 and get Warnock.

Only difference is the Swans get shafted not Freo, and why would the Swans give up 16 for 24 to help out Carlton and Freo

They wouldn't even bother considering it.

Because then they'd get Dowler or Boyle. Still, I acknowledged it wasn't perfect and moved on. I also set there was probably a basis there to look at

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

TBH I think 24 is fair enough.

And that is just the point. Many neutrals do think 24 is enough and Carlton are expected to increase it or be criticised for not playing the game.

Maybe if Carlton started with Pick 40 and Benjamin, Freo rejected it, and Carlton came back with Pick 24, everyone would have thought we did the right thing by increasing our offer.

It seems that by being upfront and making a fair offer right off the bat, it has turned unfair because people consider it just an opening offer. I'd love it if teams just made their best offer right off the bat so we didn't have to draw things out.