was kingsley really the problem?

[bombersmad75]

was kent kingsley the problem or was it something else as the same thing happening this year and the way the ball enters the forward line is the same at the forwards ankles. What do you guys reckon?

 

[thehoff]

was kent kingsley the problem or was it something else as the same thing happening this year and the way the ball enters the forward line is the same at the forwards ankles. What do you guys reckon?

I don't think anyone used to claim that the delivery into the forward line was Kent Kingsleys fault.

He lacked desire, could not mark anything apart from chest marks and was one of the worst kicks the game has ever seen.

 

[Tonycam*]

I don't think anyone used to claim that the delivery into the forward line was Kent Kingsleys fault.

He lacked desire, could not mark anything apart from chest marks and was one of the worst kicks the game has ever seen.

Maybe Richo can help Kent out with that problem


Wait a minute , I think Richo's kicking worse lately

 

[winty]

I don't think anyone used to claim that the delivery into the forward line was Kent Kingsleys fault.

He lacked desire, could not mark anything apart from chest marks and was one of the worst kicks the game has ever seen.

Agree with all of that, but you're missing the fact that as the key forward, he'd either lead wide then have a crappy angle from which to have a shot from if he did mark it, or it'd be punched out of bounds, or would be reluctant to have the shot himself and look to pass off.

 

[SJ]

was kent kingsley the problem or was it something else as the same thing happening this year and the way the ball enters the forward line is the same at the forwards ankles. What do you guys reckon?

You're absolutely right.

Look, Kent was no champion, but then he never claimed to be. He wasn't even an out-and-out full-forward. He would have been very handy as a third forward where the delivery was good - kicking a few bags of seven or more as Geelong's leading forward on some of our good days is evidence of that.

The guy copped it from fans more than any other, yet he was the best we had. His strength was on the lead - he was very fast off the mark - yet we did not and were not good enough to play to that strength.

Looking at Hawthorn, who have been very poor in general over the past few seasons, they were still able to hit Mark Williams on the lead (also his strength) pretty effectively.

Sure, Kent's kicking wasn't great. But he, like many others, was a confidence player. And I wouldn't have been confident either with the delivery that he copped week in week out, and therefore the limited opportunities.

Now in 2007, the same problem exists. We played brilliantly against Carlton because we put the footy out in front of Nathan Ablett, Mooney and Hawkins. Against North, we put it either a metre above their head or down at they bootlaces. The great kick to the leading forward allows him to run onto it, rather than you kick it to where you will think he'll be.

 

[Tonycam*]

You're absolutely right.

Look, Kent was no champion, but then he never claimed to be. He wasn't even an out-and-out full-forward. He would have been very handy as a third forward where the delivery was good - kicking a few bags of seven or more as Geelong's leading forward on some of our good days is evidence of that.

The guy copped it from fans more than any other, yet he was the best we had. His strength was on the lead - he was very fast off the mark - yet we did not and were not good enough to play to that strength.

Looking at Hawthorn, who have been very poor in general over the past few seasons, they were still able to hit Mark Williams on the lead (also his strength) pretty effectively.

Sure, Kent's kicking wasn't great. But he, like many others, was a confidence player. And I wouldn't have been confident either with the delivery that he copped week in week out, and therefore the limited opportunities.

Now in 2007, the same problem exists. We played brilliantly against Carlton because we put the footy out in front of Nathan Ablett, Mooney and Hawkins. Against North, we put it either a metre above their head or down at they bootlaces. The great kick to the leading forward allows him to run onto it, rather than you kick it to where you will think he'll be.

Well said

 

[CF]

The proof will come when he finally gets a game for the tiges I guess.

 

[SJ]

The proof will come when he finally gets a game for the tiges I guess.

Because they've shown over the past decade the sort of delivery they're capable of to one of the best key forwards in the game.

 

[martyk]

Because they've shown over the past decade the sort of delivery they're capable of to one of the best key forwards in the game.

So true... Kingsley was no champion, but far from the chump everyone has branded him. He dealt with $hithouse delivery for years and still managed to put the score on the board...
Nathan Ablett? Mooney? Ottens? Gardiner? None of these are looking like gettin the amount of goals Kinglsey managed. That says it all really.

 

[SJ]

So true... Kingsley was no champion, but far from the chump everyone has branded him. He dealt with $hithouse delivery for years and still managed to put the score on the board...
Nathan Ablett? Mooney? Ottens? Gardiner? None of these are looking like gettin the amount of goals Kinglsey managed. That says it all really.

Exactly. We're on the same page. I may not be his biggest fan, but I recognise he did more than anyone else could manage.

 

[Frappe]

The way the crowd booed in at the Cattery in Round 21 last year (during the players warm-up) when ground announcer mentioned that Kingsley was a late replacement for Mackie was disgraceful. He could be frustrating at times, however, no wonder he was just as keen to move as we were to trade him...

 

[bombersmad75]

The proof will come when he finally gets a game for the tiges I guess.

there no better than geelong at the moment

 

[hotdog_hotdog]

KK is not to blame for our problems last year, but...

The problems at the club are intangible ones, in-club issues, the "Geelong Culture".

The fans needed something tangible (I know i did anyway!) And we weren't kicking big scores, so attention is drawn to the forward line and KK more importantly.

I hated KK simply because i needed to vent my frustration, but on reflection, he wasn't the man to blame, and the blame should never be put on 1 or 2 players/coaches.

Even if the backline was conceding 25 Goals every week, and KK wasn't kicking any, the fans/critics/experts/players would find a way to blame KK!

I feel sorry for the bloke now and hope he goes ok at the tigers.

 

[someday-somehow]

So true... Kingsley was no champion, but far from the chump everyone has branded him. He dealt with $hithouse delivery for years and still managed to put the score on the board...
Nathan Ablett? Mooney? Ottens? Gardiner? None of these are looking like gettin the amount of goals Kinglsey managed. That says it all really.

Lets put this in perspective, he was quick of the mark - that was his one shining light.

He was a bad kick, could not mark over his head or in front of his eyes. So in other words the pass to him had to be spot-on everytime, I lost count of the amount of times the ball would bounce off his chest.
He held his ground well when against a weaker opponent but against a class opponent OR one that was fast as him he would be next to useless.

He was a good VFL player but not up to AFL standard IMO. I agree though he didn't deserve the criticism he got but then again I was glad when he went because I felt the team would not build an imposing forward line with him in it.

 

[darren forssman]

kingsley had poor delivery whilst at geelong, however when he did occassionaly get good delivery the ball would bounce of his chest. and if he did mark it then he got those ole darting eyes and inevitably tried a chip pass that never made it to its target or kicked a point.

i am not really sure how many goals he kicked from set shots? i think his conversion from play would out rank his conversion from set shots. even when he tore dunstin flethcer apart with 7 goals there werent too many from set shots.

and to all those that say he wasnt big or tall enough should look at gary ablett snr who was 186cm or mark williams who is smaller and fraser gehrig only has a couple more cm's on him. he was big and fast enough to play full forward, maybe just not the confidence.

 

[CF]

who cares really....he plays for the tigers now so why are you all wasting your time thinking about him, and he hasnt even played a game this year as yet. Yeah he has made a huge difference so far

 

[geelong_boy]

So true... Kingsley was no champion, but far from the chump everyone has branded him. He dealt with $hithouse delivery for years and still managed to put the score on the board...
Nathan Ablett? Mooney? Ottens? Gardiner? None of these are looking like gettin the amount of goals Kinglsey managed. That says it all really.

To round 5 Mooney has kicked 12 goals and 7 behinds, so if he continues with that average he should kick about 50 to 60 goals for the year - which is about what Kingsley kicked in the years he won the GFC goal-kicking.

For me, Mooney is way more versatile (FF-CHF), potent and dangerous a forward than Kingsley ever was. His start to the year has been solid but hopefully he can continue to improve.

 

[martyk]

To round 5 Mooney has kicked 12 goals and 7 behinds, so if he continues with that average he should kick about 50 to 60 goals for the year - which is about what Kingsley kicked in the years he won the GFC goal-kicking.

For me, Mooney is way more versatile (FF-CHF), potent and dangerous a forward than Kingsley ever was. His start to the year has been solid but hopefully he can continue to improve.

We'll see... I certaintly don't think Mooneys kick is any better than Kingsleys was. Mooney is a big bloke and can only kick goals from within 50?? He is not confident in front of goal either... sounds very familiar.

 

[thehoff]

We'll see... I certaintly don't think Mooneys kick is any better than Kingsleys was. Mooney is a big bloke and can only kick goals from within 50?? He is not confident in front of goal either... sounds very familiar.

You are the dopiest poster on the forum.... Seriously spare us all of your dumb posts!

 

[SJ]

We'll see... I certaintly don't think Mooneys kick is any better than Kingsleys was. Mooney is a big bloke and can only kick goals from within 50?? He is not confident in front of goal either... sounds very familiar.

I'm with you martyk.

I struggle to think of even one Geelong player who is confident in front of goal, with the exception of Chapman (and even he's been struggling lately).

 

[winty]

I'd be interested to see what % of games that Kingsley played that we kicked 15 goals plus, compared to games without him we kicked 15+ goals. I think when he was in the side we probably looked for Kingsley too often, and as others have said previously in this thread, even if the delivery was good, the passes would either bounce off his chest, be punched out of bounds or he'd try to pass off. Now we seem to have multiple options up forward which to kick to. Moons, Nathan, Hawkins, Ottens when he's there, even Chappy, Bartel and Kelly can take marks on the lead, or even contested marks if need be. I don't think we had that many options when Kingsley was there, maybe apart from Graham and Mooney to an extent.

 

[Rosso]

Kent did his job for most of the time he was there. Played mainly as a pocket or flanker and got under the guard of a few sides early on but, due to a lack of other options, he became the go to man. He was alright with this for a while but once sides worked out how to beat him combined with how we decided to kick it to him, he was screwed. Kent rarely marked above his head and barely created a contest when we bombed it in. Due to this, he bulked up to try and get his frame to key position size but it affected his main assett, speed off the mark.

I was keen to hang onto him at seasons end as long as he was pushed up the ground so that he could provide a leading target simular to what Tarrant had done previously at the Pies. Didn't happen so doesn't matter.

In answer to the question, he wasn't the problem but he wasn't going to resolve it either.

 

[martyk]

You are the dopiest poster on the forum.... Seriously spare us all of your dumb posts!

Why don't you offer something constructive concerning my post then? Why only the insult?
Surely with your experiance playing for VIC Metro & Collingwood you would have something more to offer that is actually regarding the topic?

 

[sarah.13]

We'll see... I certaintly don't think Mooneys kick is any better than Kingsleys was. Mooney is a big bloke and can only kick goals from within 50?? He is not confident in front of goal either... sounds very familiar.

I disagree with you there,generally he is fairly accurate,but where he has it all over Kingsley is the amount of goals he creates by competing in the air and goals he dishes out with his handballs.

 

[catempire]

Kingsley played 110 games and kicked 227 goals for this club.

He was far from "the problem". He was the maligned player of the era as Mensch was before him and Gardiner is now. There will always be one at this club.

That said, it was right for both parties to part ways.