We need another Paul Chapman

[strauchnyy]

The time is now for the 23 - 26 year olds to take their fingers out and take ownership of this team.

There are too many passive bystanders that simply wait for Selwood, Danger or Enright to do everything.

I'm looking at Duncan, Guthrie, Stanley, Motlop, Blicavs, Caddy. These are the players entrenched in our team that cannot just be the 'second tier' anymore, they need to become leaders that inspire the rest of the team and the younger guys like Lang, Cockatoo, Kolo etc.

These guys need to get angrier, more passionate about the jumper they were and realise that we have a GREAT shot this year to go all the way, which may not be there again, especially when GWS click in 2017.

I was very curious to hear that there was a player driven meeting after our loss to Syd and good on them. It's a line in the sand type period for us and we can either give it our all and push for a flag, or let our chance this year (while we still have Bartel, Enright as well as good injury list and fixture) slip through our fingers.. in which case our players will regret for the rest of our lives.

I really hope the syd loss galvanises our club (like the North loss did in 07), but I look at our club and I just see too many passive bystanders. It's time to take ownership of this team and become leaders.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Problem is, if you believe the tale, Chappy delivered the spray to a multi-premiership standard team that was clearly underperforming.

The current group appears much more like a mediocre team performing according to its mediocre talents.

You dont do as well as we have against top 8 sides this year though unless either you arent mediocre or most of the other top 8 sides are.

I think the more likely answer is we are very good but inconsistent and we need to narrow the gap between our best and worst.

 

[catempire]

You dont do as well as we have against top 8 sides this year though unless either you arent mediocre or most of the other top 8 sides are.

I think the more likely answer is we are very good but inconsistent and we need to narrow the gap between our best and worst.

PO, the point I've made elsewhere is that unless you can narrow that gap you are mediocre. Consistency is a critical element of rising above mediocrity.

I see the potential but until we do narrow that gap I see a mediocre team.

 

[steady2]

We have the most talented list in the comp. but arent playing and most likely preparing nearly well enough. At what point does attention start being focussed on the coaching and fitness staff? Thompson got the best out his players. The current coaches are not.

Um. We just played the most talented list in the comp and they spanked us! I have been saying all year that we around 4/5 in the comp. Our defense and midfield has changed considerably from last year and players are having to learn to play with new ruckmen, forwards, defenders and midfielders.

Bomber was a great coach, but he didn't always get the best out of his players. Stevie J didn't fulfill his potential until disciplined by his own teammates. It took Bomber 8 seasons to build a team which had both the skill and composure to win a premiership. We have a bunch of players with question marks over them, and that includes players such as Motlop.

 

[Seeds]

Wouldn't call Caddy or Blicavs mentally soft, the latter being a hurdler who changed career path to pursue a game he solemnly played to become a best and fairest, clearly soft.

Can you explain his form not reaching anywhere near pre season expectations? If it's not mental, it's either fitness or talent.

 

[Cronin]

Who is Crazy?

Seriously?

Geelong_Crazy26 - your post was almost identicle to something he'd write.

 

[Seeds]

Um. We just played the most talented list in the comp and they spanked us! I have been saying all year that we around 4/5 in the comp. Our defense and midfield has changed considerably from last year and players are having to learn to play with new ruckmen, forwards, defenders and midfielders.

Bomber was a great coach, but he didn't always get the best out of his players. Stevie J didn't fulfill his potential until disciplined by his own teammates. It took Bomber 8 seasons to build a team which had both the skill and composure to win a premiership. We have a bunch of players with question marks over them, and that includes players such as Motlop.

You mean the side who lost to the doggies at home last week ( the side we spanked three weeks ago) and the side who got spanked by our average side last year. Basing rankings of where teams are talent wise on single games is silly.

Scott also hasn't built a side from scratch like bomber has. Selwood, hawkins, Taylor, Duncan, Menzel were already at the club and he has gone and recruited readymade players in henderson, stanley, Clark, smith, McIntosh, rivers and dangerfield.

 

[catempire]

Um. We just played the most talented list in the comp and they spanked us! I have been saying all year that we around 4/5 in the comp. Our defense and midfield has changed considerably from last year and players are having to learn to play with new ruckmen, forwards, defenders and midfielders.

Bomber was a great coach, but he didn't always get the best out of his players. Stevie J didn't fulfill his potential until disciplined by his own teammates. It took Bomber 8 seasons to build a team which had both the skill and composure to win a premiership. We have a bunch of players with question marks over them, and that includes players such as Motlop.

Agree with this.

I actually thought when we were on top of the ladder and playing well it wasn't through talent but system. Which is a tick for the coaches.

 

[steady2]

You mean the side who lost to the doggies at home last week ( the side we spanked three weeks ago) and the side who got spanked by our average side last year. Basing rankings of where teams are talent wise on single games is silly.

Scott also hasn't built a side from scratch like bomber has. Selwood, hawkins, Taylor, Duncan, Menzel were already at the club and he has gone and recruited readymade players in henderson, stanley, Clark, smith, McIntosh, rivers and dangerfield.

So you are making a "silly" comparison then!

If he lasts as long as Bomber it will effectively be built from scratch. I guess were things to turn around and we somehow were to win a premiership, it would be no thanks to Scott.

 

[wcadams88]

Can you explain his form not reaching anywhere near pre season expectations? If it's not mental, it's either fitness or talent.

What I said has nothing to do with form, that can be attributed to certain factors whether it be external or internal. My quote was not mentally soft in general not why he is currently playing well

 

[AM]

Rooke barely played in 2007. He had nothing to do (atleast onfield) with geelong becoming a dominant side in 2007.

A Rooke type player was my point. Hard at the ball and at the body and someone capable of providing some protection for our drivers. Chappy was good for us and was hard at it but he wasn't a wrecking ball type and his leadership influence around the place was more a product of his own promotion than the reality is my belief.

 

[steady2]

Seriously?

Geelong_Crazy26 - your post was almost identicle to something he'd write.

Yeah I just discovered he gave me a 'like'. Must be a smart bloke/woman then, I assume he/she can at least spell identical.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Yeah I just discovered he gave me a 'like'. Must be a smart bloke/woman then, I assume he/she can at least spell identical.

I wouldn't be so quick to assume that if I were you.

 

[Partridge]

Rooke barely played in 2007. He had nothing to do (atleast onfield) with geelong becoming a dominant side in 2007.

He has become an incredibly overrated player in retrospect.

 

[steady2]

Rooke barely played in 2007. He had nothing to do (atleast onfield) with geelong becoming a dominant side in 2007.

Apparently he was. Legend has it that when they met round at Chappies after the North Melbourne loss, someone mentioned how they needed to play in the finals, Rooke apparently said " I wanna play in a premiership". He was one of the rocks of the team 07-09 and along with Wojo one of the unsung stars. Players not ranked in the best 15 but who are invaluable in their role is what we don't have, at the moment.

 

[Partridge]

Can you explain his form not reaching anywhere near pre season expectations? If it's not mental, it's either fitness or talent.

Maybe he's not as good as some want desperately to believe. There could be a few like that too.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Apparently he was. Legend has it that when they met round at Chappies after the North Melbourne loss, someone mentioned how they needed to play in the finals, Rooke apparently said " I wanna play in a premiership". He was one of the rocks of the team 07-09 and along with Wojo one of the unsung stars. Players not ranked in the best 15 but who are invaluable in their role is what we don't have, at the moment.

There are a lot of things the 07-11 team had that this one doesn't. A midfield that batted deeper than 2 players for one.

 

[GriffACT]

Selwood, bartel, enright, dangerfield, taylor. We have plenty of leaders. Probably more then nearly every other team. The middle aged players simply arent pulling their weight. Our weakness is clearly Duncan, guthrie, caddy, motlop and blicavs not reaching expectations. They have talent but have plateaued or gone backwards in some cases and dont chase hard enough when the going gets tough. They are soft mentally.

Selwood and danger are massive leaders ... The fact that Enright & Bartel are still considered leaders is because the next generation haven't stepped up ... Taylor & Hawkins I wonder about... One things for certain we do not have leaders on every line like we used to nor do we have a large second tier of leaders that can lead the way and arrest a game ... It's a huge worry

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Is this you Crazy

Please PM the mods and ask them to check if its me.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

We have the most talented list in the comp. but arent playing and most likely preparing nearly well enough. At what point does attention start being focussed on the coaching and fitness staff? Thompson got the best out his players. The current coaches are not.

How did we start 2004 ?
How did the 2nd half of 2005 go ?
How did 2006 go ?

Truth is that group of players had to go through some really difficult times to develop the mental toughness to constantly play and train with a high work rate .This current group just has not experiences those difficult times yet .

 

[Cronin]

Yeah I just discovered he gave me a 'like'. Must be a smart bloke/woman then, I assume he/she can at least spell identical.

I wasn't actually having a go at you mate but if you want to be a tool that's fine.

 

[Partridge]

There are a lot of things the 07-11 team had that this one doesn't. A midfield that batted deeper than 2 players for one.

A captain determined to enforce discipline on a wayward player is another. Plus he set the example of returning via the VFL too.

 

[steady2]

I wasn't actually having a go at you mate but if you want to be a tool that's fine.

I wasn't having a go at you, but if you want to resort to abuse that means nothing to me!

 

[bph25]

Just shows you what kind of players Scott develops.

You blokes are all off ya head. Every player listed there has improved.
Blicavs fully developed from anther sport to a bf winner.
Learnt how to accept a loss

 

[Hinkley29]

Maybe he's not as good as some want desperately to believe. There could be a few like that too.

Perhaps he is playing a very different role this year.