Weaver mock draft

[Walsh Bay]

I agree. If we recruit a gaggle of athletes and beep test specialists who can barely hold a football I'll kick the dog.

If things keep going the way they have been ... there will be clubs naming guys who have played 2 seasons of footy, kids who have only played schoolboys, kids who don't know a steak sandwich looks like etc ... and Brisbane will get to pick 25 and call Richard Douglas and we'll all scratch our heads again about how clubs keeping letting good footballers fall to Brisbane who make the simple decisions well.

 

[BatteredBulldog]

From where I sit Brisbane have a proven knack of not getting too clever and not trying to 'invent' picks.

WEAVER - Guys like Wood and Adcock were top-notch juniors and while other clubs are recruiting for need, or looking for 'upside' or match-winners, they simply call the name of guys who are good footballers.

Most people here on BigFooty were in love with Selwood, Adcock and Attard.

If things keep going the way they have been ... there will be clubs naming guys who have played 2 seasons of footy, kids who have only played schoolboys, kids who don't know a steak sandwich looks like etc ... and Brisbane will get to pick 25 and call Richard Douglas and we'll all scratch our heads again about how clubs keeping letting good footballers fall to Brisbane who make the simple decisions well.[/QUOTE]


Well said Weaver. Couldnt agree with you more.
Whilst Scotty Clayton has a decent record as a recuiter, I think the Dogs have too often made simple decisions difficult and have outsmarted themselves.
Whilst a few speculative picks have worked for the better, there are a few also that have failed and for a club like the Bulldogs, I dont think we could ahve afforded that luxury.

 

[dirtydog444]

Cannot believe Sam Elliot is not in the top 67. What a joke, he will be a steal.

Agree with Drummond. Crows or Port will snap him up before then, just what their both after, local talent with plenty of heart and a natural footballer (not athlete).

 

[irel]

Weaver, great work bud. I enjoy reading the information you provide on the individual kids.

Please don't take offence at comments such as "I can't believe you've got so and so in the 40's or this or that player will definitely be picked up by this or that club". What some posters fail to realise it's "In your opinion" and this is a Phantom Draft. Not even the clubs know what is going to happen on the day. Who was to predict last year that Cameron Wood would be available at pick 19 to Brisbane? All predicted Cameron was a top 5 prospect and at worst Adelaide was going to pick him up at 6.
Some clubs also are getting a bit too clever and too strategic.
The same thing will happen this year. A predicted high pick Player will end up available in the 20's or even 30's. Who knows? All it takes for one club to select a so called smoky (a la Geelong, Mackie) and everyone is thrown out of wack because each club has only two minutes to make decisions on their picks.
This year more than any other year will see players rated considerably differently by each club. A player rated in the top 10 by Essendon will be rated in the 40's by West Coast. Or someone rated as a top "short" midfielder will be judged as average by another.

However keep up the good work and I am anticipating revised drafts as more information comes to light about the club's thinking.

Also, there have been several posters that have suggested that Brisbane have shown interest in Bower and Hocking. In your opinion are these two the type that would suit the Lion's style and future needs?
Thanx again

 

[HBF]

Weaver, great work mate! Thoroughly enjoyed the post and lot of effort has gone into it. I just hope that Carlton pick the best available talent with all of their picks. If Kennedy is the best pick at one, then we should take Kennedy. If Murphy is, we take Murphy, and so on.

Carltons problems cannot be fixed in one draft. They must look at it over the next 2-3 years. They must plug their holes with the best available kids.

 

[mick ryan]

From where I sit Brisbane have a proven knack of not getting too clever and not trying to 'invent' picks.

? Spaanderman

 

[Jangles]

This is pretty interesting.


Weaver, who would you LIKE to see the Tigers take in the Draft a KPP or quick midfielder, as Terry has hinted at what we are needing.


Cheers.

 

[Bockchoy67]

Agree with Drummond. Crows or Port will snap him up before then, just what their both after, local talent with plenty of heart and a natural footballer (not athlete).

Was it Sam Elliot who got 2.94secs in the 20m sprint?

 

[Weaver]

Weaver, who would you LIKE to see the Tigers take in the Draft a KPP or quick midfielder, as Terry has hinted at what we are needing.

In order, something like ...

1. Kennedy
2. Murphy
3. Hughes
4. Swallow
5. Ryder
6. Douglas
7. Oakley-Nicholls
8. Lucy
9. Drum
10. Ryder

That relates to how I rate the players, and who I think we need.

Realistically I think we will take one of the big men, whoever is left to us ...

Pick 8 will almost certainly be Hughes / Dowler / Ryder / Kennedy / Clark ... whichever doesn't go earliest. Wallace wants a key forward it seems, and we need one.

Personally I think that we need more midfielders just as much and in modern footballers quick, atheltic footballers are rare. I'd like Douglas or Swallow, just to help our centre square group.

 

[Effes]

What sort of player is Heath Hocking? Is he likely to be drafted?

 

[irel]

In order, something like ...

1. Kennedy
2. Murphy
3. Hughes
4. Swallow
5. Ryder
6. Douglas
7. Oakley-Nicholls
8. Lucy
9. Drum
10. Ryder

That relates to how I rate the players, and who I think we need.

Realistically I think we will take one of the big men, whoever is left to us ...

Pick 8 will almost certainly be Hughes / Dowler / Ryder / Kennedy / Clark ... whichever doesn't go earliest. Wallace wants a key forward it seems, and we need one.

Personally I think that we need more midfielders just as much and in modern footballers quick, atheltic footballers are rare. I'd like Douglas or Swallow, just to help our centre square group.

You missed Ryder

 

[dirtydog444]

Was it Sam Elliot who got 2.94secs in the 20m sprint?

Correct. This was carrying an ankle injury which has held him back most of season. Came in equal 10th with vertical jump as well. Still is more a natural footballer than athlete.

 

[Ragingbull]

What sort of player is Heath Hocking? Is he likely to be drafted?

Heath is a 183cm 87kg solidly built inside midfielder who as a bottom age player last year made the TAC Cup Team of the year and won Eastern's B+F. However this year suffered a few injuries and has slipped off peoples radar but not the AFL clubs. Heath is excellent at clearances and has a big body and uses it well in tight to win the contested ball and good at getting a quick kick away too advantage under pressure. His kick can be dodgy at times and over kick his target on occasions but generally has good disposal. Heath has a massive engine can run all day and uses it too collect high amounts of possessions. He isn’t the quickest wouldn’t call him slow though more like having Lenny Hayes type pace. Hard working, tough, brave and strong will adapt to AFL quickly and IMO he will be drafted late 50+ or rookied. But I have him at about 40 in my rankings.

 

[duckboy]

In order, something like ...

1. Kennedy
2. Murphy
3. Hughes
4. Swallow
5. Ryder
6. Douglas
7. Oakley-Nicholls
8. Lucy
9. Drum
10. Ryder

That relates to how I rate the players, and who I think we need.

Realistically I think we will take one of the big men, whoever is left to us ...

Pick 8 will almost certainly be Hughes / Dowler / Ryder / Kennedy / Clark ... whichever doesn't go earliest. Wallace wants a key forward it seems, and we need one.

Personally I think that we need more midfielders just as much and in modern footballers quick, atheltic footballers are rare. I'd like Douglas or Swallow, just to help our centre square group.

Any chance Douglas or Oakley-Nicholls might still be there at 24?

 

[GoSarge]

Cannot believe Sam Elliot is not in the top 67. What a joke, he will be a steal.

Please provide us the link to your mock draft and we will critique yours.

If you do not have one, don't sit there and fire bullets at others who have gone to the effort of putting forward their efforts and opinions.

 

[Crow-mosone]

Even though no doubt recruiting is more sophisticated than 1986 (or even 1996), I suspect that there's still too much faith in statistics and interest from other clubs, rather than the capabilities and the attitude of the player himself. For every Stephen Hooper (1990 #1 draft pick) and Ryan Fitzgerald (1998 #4 pick), there's a kid who could have been a terrific AFL player who never got a go.

are you saying Hooper and Fitzgerald were bad recruiting decisions???????

you have to be kidding, both were prodigiously talented, and ruined by injury. there was nothing wrong with their selections.

 

[macca69]

Hey Weaver how close was Lucas Marcovic to making your mock draft?

 

[BalmyArmy]

Weaver, congratulations on a great effort. I have never seen so many complimentary posts towards another Bigfooty member.

Just a quick question in regards to last years draft... Did you not rate Pattison at all? He was not in your mock draft and I wonder why that is?

 

[Effes]

cheers for the reply ragingbull

 

[Weaver]

Just a quick question in regards to last years draft... Did you not rate Pattison at all? He was not in your mock draft and I wonder why that is?

I don't think he is a top-grade CHF, I don't think he is a top-grade ruckman. I don't think he would have been drafted to fill either specialist role. What I didn't pick was that Richmond were looking for a hybrid ruckman/forward (like Simmonds) who could be valuable around the ground without getting a lot of hitouts and could pinch-hit up forward. Once you knew what Richmond were after, then Pattison made sense.

 

[Weaver]

Hey Weaver how close was Lucas Marcovic to making your mock draft?

The injury hurt his chances I think. I would have thought he was one of those 50-50 guys who needed to really finish the season well. In the end I just think there are a lot of big blokes this year and he is behind enough of them to miss being drafted.

 

[Weaver]

are you saying Hooper and Fitzgerald were bad recruiting decisions???????

I'd go further than that and suggest that Hooper probably still counts as close to the best selection in that draft. It is always dangerous to just pick out names ... the rules in that year where bizzare, and if you look through the top 20-30 names ... weird as it might sound, Hooper is close to the best.

 

[Streaker]

Ben Taggert seems to have slipped off of your radar. Any reason?

 

[Weaver]

Ben Taggert seems to have slipped off of your radar. Any reason?

Lucy, Drum, Spangher, Bower, Toovey, Obst, Gilbert, Kelleher, Mills ... that is 9 guys I have ahead of him as key defenders (even before the likes of Kennedy, Dowler, Rischbeith etc who can play there). Realistically that is probably too many.

The simple truth of things is that if a player is not in the top 6-7 in his position in the country (and only 50ish kids get drafted) then he misses out.

A good FB and he could easily go instead of Obst, Kelleher or Mills ... but I can't fit everyone in.

 

[Allen's Blues]

Enjoyable read Weaver, it provides us with a different view 2 footydraft and other drafts of the like.