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[jenny61_99]

Did the board tell Trigg to cheat or did he do it on his own?

Did they say "do whatever it takes to keep him?" Who knows? And for the record, Reid did it on his own - his parting gift. Trigg failed to rectify it when he discovered it.

 

[tiggsy]

Actually, Trigg is below the board. Appointed by the board. Sacked by the board. If Bailey had any integrity he would have told those above him to get screwed. He didn't. He manipulated games in order to lose them. It doesn't get much worse than that (unless you consider a team doping program). He was duly punished by the AFL and has served that punishment. Now welcomed back with open arms. Trigg made a mistake. It wasn't a team based issue. No other contracts were found to be suspect. He served his punishment and is jeered on his return. Fickle.

I don't think you'll get people to change their mind about Trigg, Jenny. I also don't think people have been fickle with Trigg at all. The calls for him to resign/be sacked have been very consistent on this board. Furthermore, Trigg didn't make a mistake, he made a series of mistakes that have cost the club terribly. I can't imagine any other organisation allowing a CEO to make such disastrous errors and keep their job. Having said that, I admire your convictions in sticking up for Trigg and know that nobody will change your view, regardless of the arguments put forward.

 

[jenny61_99]

Shit suspension in the first place.

It (holding individuals responsible for not tanking ) was the only way they could save the Club which was/is in a diabolical shambles on and off the field. Its why they used Trigg and Harper as a precedent (and why, I suspect, Trigg was spared). Sanction the individuals, go easier on the Club. The only punishment the MFC actually got was a $500,000 fine which they will never have to pay.

 

[Smoooothy]

Interesting that Bailey who served an AFL imposed suspension gets the bells and whistle welcome mat thrown out for him, but all Trigg (who also served an AFL imposed suspension) got from you was a door slammed shut. You people confuse the hell out of me sometimes.

Dean Bailey didn't cripple this club..

 

[Mattrox]

Did they say "do whatever it takes to keep him?" Who knows? And for the record, Reid did it on his own - his parting gift. Trigg failed to rectify it when he discovered it.

He should have rectified it straight away.


The thing with tanking is that Carlton did it, Essendon did it wrt to playing Richmond in a Final, Collingwood did it to get Pendles, West Coast did it. No one in the AFL talks about it, but they did it. But when people start talking about it, it had to be punished. Can't have disgruntled players blowing the whistle and exposing the AFL draft system as flawed, they had to be punished! We are cynical about Melbournes punishment in the context of tanking. When 2IC comes out and says "I don't even know what tanking is" something is rotten.

And then we sympathise with Bailey because he did the wrong thing, but under orders. A fine would have been an appropriate punishment.

With Trigg he set the precident with Rendell, he would not let "mud stick" so Rendell had to go. We want him to apply the same rule to himself. "Mud has stuck" regardless of his "innocence".... he needs to go.

 

[Bacon8]

Dean Bailey didn't cripple this club..

There is no proof that the club is crippled. Handcuffed, yes, but crippled, well that's yet to be determined.

 

[*PAF]

It (holding individuals responsible for not tanking ) was the only way they could save the Club which was/is in a diabolical shambles on and off the field. Its why they used Trigg and Harper as a precedent (and why, I suspect, Trigg was spared). Sanction the individuals, go easier on the Club. The only punishment the MFC actually got was a $500,000 fine which they will never have to pay.

Jenny I have read your many posts regarding Trigg and admire your stance for someone you obviously respect even though I disagree with it, but to compare the Trigg situation to what happened at Melbourne is just using anything possible to prove your point.
Melbourne should have been punished and the buck should have stopped higher than Bailey. IMO Trigg was at about the right height of where the buck should have stopped.
The difference is simply that the AFL wanted to make sure that everybody knows tanking never existed. It did, poo is poo no matter how many times one calls it chocolate.

 

[jenny61_99]

He should have rectified it straight away.


The thing with tanking is that Carlton did it, Essendon did it wrt to playing Richmond in a Final, Collingwood did it to get Pendles, West Coast did it. No one in the AFL talks about it, but they did it. But when people start talking about it, it had to be punished. Can't have disgruntled players blowing the whistle and exposing the AFL draft system as flawed, they had to be punished! We are cynical about Melbournes punishment in the context of tanking. When 2IC comes out and says "I don't even know what tanking is" something is rotten.

And then we sympathise with Bailey because he did the wrong thing, but under orders. A fine would have been an appropriate punishment.

With Trigg he set the precident with Rendell, he would not let "mud stick" so Rendell had to go. We want him to apply the same rule to himself. "Mud has stuck" regardless of his "innocence".... he needs to go.

He thought he did (rectify it). But anyway... it's all in the past now. You also don't know the full story with Rendell and it's pointless to try and sway your mind one way or 'tother.

 

[jenny61_99]

Jenny I have read your many posts regarding Trigg and admire your stance for someone you obviously respect even though I disagree with it, but to compare the Trigg situation to what happened at Melbourne is just using anything possible to prove your point.
Melbourne should have been punished and the buck should have stopped higher than Bailey. IMO Trigg was at about the right height of where the buck should have stopped.
The difference is simply that the AFL wanted to make sure that everybody knows tanking never existed. It did, poo is poo no matter how many times one calls it chocolate.

Not using anything possible. Just beginning to understand the "big boys club" that is the AFL. Salary cap cheating is something that has been done by numerous clubs at numerous times. Tanking, likewise. And if you believe Essendon is the only team that was sailing close to the edge regarding supplement programs, you might be considered a little naive.

"They all do it" is NEVER an acceptable excuse. But when you see things - patterns emerge, you realise that the AFL, under Vlad, has the mightiest biggest carpet under which most things get swept - UNLESS the media get a wind of it, and then you are toast. Vlad uses the word "integrity" like it actually means something, but behind our backs hides the most insidious secrets possible. I've heard some of you say through out this - a fish rots from the head down. I'm beginning to agree with you.

 

[*PAF]

Not using anything possible. Just beginning to understand the "big boys club" that is the AFL. Salary cap cheating is something that has been done by numerous clubs at numerous times. Tanking, likewise. And if you believe Essendon is the only team that was sailing close to the edge regarding supplement programs, you might be considered a little naive.

"They all do it" is NEVER an acceptable excuse. But when you see things - patterns emerge, you realise that the AFL, under Vlad, has the mightiest biggest carpet under which most things get swept - UNLESS the media get a wind of it, and then you are toast. Vlad uses the word "integrity" like it actually means something, but behind our backs hides the most insidious secrets possible. I've heard some of you say through out this - a fish rots from the head down. I'm beginning to agree with you.

So?
They all do it just means they should all be punished when caught, it doesn't mean "oh well sorry I got caught, here's $50 for your charity of choice".
If I was a Crow member or if Trigg was at Port I'd want him gone and if there was anyone else involved I'd want them gone and replaced as well.

 

[Deaneus!]

Vlad uses the word "integrity" like it actually means something, but behind our backs hides the most insidious secrets possible. I've heard some of you say through out this - a fish rots from the head down. I'm beginning to agree with you.

I think if we were all to agree on something, it would be that Vlad is an integrity-free zone.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Interesting that Bailey who served an AFL imposed suspension gets the bells and whistle welcome mat thrown out for him, but all Trigg (who also served an AFL imposed suspension) got from you was a door slammed shut. You people confuse the hell out of me sometimes.

I don't recall Bailey costing AFC losing their highest paid player for nothing + 2 1st & 2nd round picks ... effectively costing AFC a decent shot at the flag. ie. Depriving me of watching my team achieve the ultimate success.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Did they say "do whatever it takes to keep him?" Who knows? And for the record, Reid did it on his own - his parting gift. Trigg failed to rectify it when he discovered it.

I'm not annoyed at Trigg for the original contract - that was Reid's fault, but Trigg had opportunities (multiple!) to fix the situation (including over-ruling others on the Lions trade), but failed to do so - this is what I'm extremely pissed off at as it has cost AFC big time. Trigg was grossly incompetent - he was responsible, but has not been ultimately made accountable like most CEO's in position would be.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

There is no proof that the club is crippled. Handcuffed, yes, but crippled, well that's yet to be determined.

Yes, not crippled but massively handicapped. It is going to be extremely difficult to keep up with top clubs over the next few years with the effective loss of 6 x 1st/2nd round picks (assuming Tippett was worth 2 x 1st/2nd round picks). We will have to be extremely good at free agency/trading/drafting to keep up. We are at a massive disadvantage.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

He thought he did (rectify it). But anyway... it's all in the past now. You also don't know the full story with Rendell and it's pointless to try and sway your mind one way or 'tother.

His efforts to rectify it were completely incompetent.

Anyone knows you don't rescind a written contract verbally.

If you don't know this, should you be in a senior management position?

 

[Mattrox]

"They all do it" is NEVER an acceptable excuse. But when you see things - patterns emerge, you realise that the AFL, under Vlad, has the mightiest biggest carpet under which most things get swept - UNLESS the media get a wind of it, and then you are toast. Vlad uses the word "integrity" like it actually means something, but behind our backs hides the most insidious secrets possible. I've heard some of you say through out this - a fish rots from the head down. I'm beginning to agree with you.

I'm not saying tanking is acceptable either, and it is hypocritcal of the AFL to suddenly "discover" it is happening at Melbourne after Vlad has given his word that "Tanking does not exist". The Melbourne penalty is harsh given that Tanking was given the blind eye prior.

Bailey's ban was a cynical move by the AFL to protect its brand as well as punishment. This is why there is sympathy for him.

Trigg isn't afforded this sympathy because questions about clauses in contracts were out about 2 years ago. He could have come out at the time and said "Reid had a clause outside Tippet's contract, I have clearly informed the Tippett's that this cannot apply and has been terminated, there is no clause in Tippett's official contract"..... the clause part would have been dead in the water 2 years ago.

The 3rd party agreement would have never come to light because the Tippets and Blucher could then have not even tried to force the clubs hand via Sydney because everything including the termination of the side deal would have been public knowledge.

 

[headache1]

Actually, Trigg is below the board. Appointed by the board. Sacked by the board. If Bailey had any integrity he would have told those above him to get screwed. He didn't. He manipulated games in order to lose them. It doesn't get much worse than that (unless you consider a team doping program). He was duly punished by the AFL and has served that punishment. Now welcomed back with open arms. Trigg made a mistake. It wasn't a team based issue. No other contracts were found to be suspect. He served his punishment and is jeered on his return. Fickle.

Good god.

 

[Cap]

I think the issue with Trigg is there is no perceived value add from him he has reigned over one of the worst periods in the Crows history - declines in every conceivable KPI (that we have access to) and then does the Tippett Saga

Bailey, wasn't found guilty of anything other than bringing the game into disrepute, but he still played by an AFL rule.

 

[swanfan]

Ok, boys and girls, grab your footy. It's time for some circle work.

 

[Dirty Bird]

I must admit, there's been some nice debate here this last page. Keep it up, good read

 

[Vader]

So tempted to move the offending posts to the Sack Trigg thread, to prevent this from becoming the 800th thread to be dragged off-topic since the Tiprat penalties were announced.

 

[Mattrox]

Ok, boys and girls, grab your footy. It's time for some circle work.

The "Things never said at the AFC" thread is -------------------> That way.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

So tempted to move the offending posts to the Sack Trigg thread, to prevent this from becoming the 800th thread to be dragged off-topic since the Tiprat penalties were announced.

Just make it a sticky... until he is gone!

 

[Vader]

Just make it a sticky... until he is gone!

The thread is still on the first page of the Board. Even if it were stickied, people would still insist on posting a snide Trigg comment in another thread, resulting in the inevitable slide to oblivion.

 

[BACCS]

I don't recall Bailey costing AFC losing their highest paid player for nothing + 2 1st & 2nd round picks ... effectively costing AFC a decent shot at the flag. ie. Depriving me of watching my team achieve the ultimate success.

It's not going to affect our flag chances for the next 2-3 years, unless you magically draft a superstar that can play like one from his debut year.