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SCOTT Welsh's future at Adelaide remains in limbo with the Crows' three-time leading goalkicker still to re-sign with the club.
Welsh has been offered a 'take-it-or-leave-it' one-year contract by Adelaide - understood to be about $80,000 less than he was paid this year - and if he doesn't accept he will be delisted. The Crows yesterday axed Jack Oatey Medallist Hayden Skipworth, second-year key position player Chad Gibson and first-year tall Alan Obst, who join club champion Ben Hart and ruckman Matthew Clarke (retired) in being cut from the squad.
And they warned 27-year-old Welsh would be added to the list if he doesn't re-sign by "the time limit we've given him."
"Welsh is still in negotiations and if he says he doesn't like what he's been offered I suppose at the end of the day we can't do much about that," Crows football operations manager John Reid said.
"We are waiting for Scotty to come back to us now and give us an indication where he sits. We've given him a time limit and we'll hear from him when we hear from him."
Reid said he hoped Welsh, who played just six games this year because of injury, would stay at the club.
If Welsh doesn't re-sign he can nominate for the pre-season draft on December 12.
Reid said Welsh was the only "unknown quantity" on Adelaide's playing list, saying "there won't be any other delistings".
Welsh, who led Adelaide's goalkicking in 2000, 2004 and 2005, has played 108 games for the Crows and kicked 221 goals after 30 goals in 36 games for the Kangaroos from 1996-99. He played in the Roos' 1999 premiership side.
The Crows have offered him a reduced deal because of concerns over his body which has continually let him down.
Skipworth, voted best afield in this year's SANFL grand final where he helped Woodville-West Torrens break a 13-year premiership drought, is the unlucky Adelaide omission.
He was shopped during the five-day trade period and had a medical with the Kangaroos and another Victorian club but a trade agreement could not be reached.
"It wasn't an easy call on Skippy because he's been a good contributor," Reid said.
"We are replenishing our list over a period of time, so it (the decision to cut him) is a combination of the two."
Under-achieving key forward Luke Jericho was retained with Reid saying "we think he's still got something and he'll get an opportunity to show that."
Gibson, who struggled with injury, and Obst both failed to play an AFL game in their time at the club.
ESSENDON has made its first end-of-season cuts, delisting backman Aaron Henneman, forward Joel Reynolds and ruckman Tristan Cartledge.
Rookies Ben Jolley, who made his AFL debut this year, and Tim O'Keefe also have been delisted after two years on the rookie list.
The Bombers, with six picks in the top 47 in the national draft, are expected to announce at least one more delisting.
Veteran on-baller Damien Peverill and much-maligned utility Mark Bolton have signed new one-year contracts to stay at Windy Hill


I don't really want to see this happen but if it does what can we do. :(
 
Re: Could Welsh be our next victim ?

Mad Dog said:
Word is he is pissed orff - but after putting the feelers out to other clubs with not much response - he will re-sign.

Lets just hope its a storm in a tea cup Mad Dog. :)
 
Re: Could Welsh be our next victim ?

Mad Dog said:
Word is he is pissed orff - but after putting the feelers out to other clubs with not much response - he will re-sign.
I've heard the same but honestly is there a reason for him to be pissed off?!

He could hardly get on the park and got this year's wages for doing bugger all.

I think he will re-sign but if he doesn't we move on.

IMHO, this tough stance by the club is another indication that the club is planning to push more youth through than in the last couple of years. Every move since the end of the season has screamed "rebuilding" to me.
 

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Re: Could Welsh be our next victim ?

Stiffy_18 said:
I've heard the same but honestly is there a reason for him to be pissed off?!

He could hardly get on the park and got this year's wages for doing bugger all.
I think he needs to cop it on the chin - come out and kick 60 goals and earn a better contract next year.....it's man or mouse time for Welshy....;)
Stiffy_18 said:
IMHO, this tough stance by the club is another indication that the club is planning to push more youth through than in the last couple of years. Every move since the end of the season has screamed "rebuilding" to me.
Agree - one of my biggest criticisms of the club in previous years is that it's taken way too long to determine whether a player is up to it or not. I've got no problem if a percentage of players turn out to be duds - every club has them - as long as we identify them early and not waste years working it out.

AS you say the Gibson/Obst decision is evidence of a greater urgency.
 
Re: Could Welsh be our next victim ?

Fred Phillis said:
who are we planning to spend the $80,000 on that the club wants to save from Welsh???
Maybe paying out Obst's contract :confused:

I don't think its neccessarily a matter of saving but the club wants it money's worth. Welshy didn't earn his pay this year and I would take a guess and say he has been severely overpaid for his contribution in 2006. Surely he would have expected something like this :confused:
 
Re: Could Welsh be our next victim ?

If you dont want him Eagles will have him. Im a fan. Come to Eagles Welshy :cool:
 
Re: Could Welsh be our next victim ?

Stiffy_18 said:
Maybe paying out Obst's contract :confused:

I don't think its neccessarily a matter of saving but the club wants it money's worth. Welshy didn't earn his pay this year and I would take a guess and say he has been severely overpaid for his contribution in 2006. Surely he would have expected something like this :confused:

Exactly. When players come off a good season they push for more pay........the opposite must also apply.

He got 48 kicks this year and kicked 12 goals. I don't know what he was on contract wise this season, but for the purposes of my argument I'll use $250k.

That would be over $5,000 a kick and $20,000 a goal.
 
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Big fan of Welshy, but he really has to take a cut next year on account of not doing anything this year to deserve his pay packet this year.
It was bad luck and not directly his fault (it was injury, not bad form) that he played so few games (and came back rusty, to boot) but he has to cop that and understand what the club are doing here.
 
Re: Could Welsh be our next victim ?

Mad Dog said:
I think he needs to cop it on the chin - come out and kick 60 goals and earn a better contract next year.....it's man or mouse time for Welshy....;)

Agreed.

Mad Dog said:
Agree - one of my biggest criticisms of the club in previous years is that it's taken way too long to determine whether a player is up to it or not. I've got no problem if a percentage of players turn out to be duds - every club has them - as long as we identify them early and not waste years working it out.

AS you say the Gibson/Obst decision is evidence of a greater urgency.

In recent years, the club has been notably indecisive about certain players - e.g. Skipworth (drafted - delisted - rookie - promoted - delisted), Shirley (drafted - delisted - redrafted), Smith (drafted - delisted - rookie - promoted - delisted) Porplyzia (rookie - delisted - drafted).

Is there another AFL club that has been so many of the same players bounce in and out of their lists in that time?

And would history suggest that we may not have seen the last of Gibson or Obst?
 
Re: Could Welsh be our next victim ?

Big Cox said:
If you dont want him Eagles will have him. Im a fan. Come to Eagles Welshy :cool:
On that point, why wasn't this sorted out prior to trade week so that he could have at least been traded if he didn't want to stay, rather than potentially lose him to the PSD?
 

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Re: Could Welsh be our next victim ?

CrowMagnum said:
On that point, why wasn't this sorted out prior to trade week so that he could have at least been traded if he didn't want to stay, rather than potentially lose him to the PSD?
He wouldn't have been great trade bait anyway - for precisely the same reasons that Adelaide are looking at delisting him. His age, combined with his history of injuries.
 
Re: Could Welsh be our next victim ?

CrowMagnum said:
On that point, why wasn't this sorted out prior to trade week so that he could have at least been traded if he didn't want to stay, rather than potentially lose him to the PSD?
He was out of contract (technically because he had not re-signed) and all other clubs would have known that. If there was Any interest from any other clubs there would have been some contact with Adelaide. I think the writing is on the wall. Scotty needs to re-sign or his AFL days are over. Unless you can be available for most games you are likely to be "under the pump" the following season.
 
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Given how important Scott Welsh is to our prospects in 2007, especially given Trents inury, the fact that we are prepared to jettison him all but confirms Stiffy's view about us being in surreptitious rebulding mode.
 
Re: Could Welsh be our next victim ?

Crow-mo said:
Given how important Scott Welsh is to our prospects in 2007, especially given Trents inury, the fact that we are prepared to jettison him all but confirms Stiffy's view about us being in surreptitious rebulding mode.
Cutting the level of his contract does not mean that we are prepared to jettison him. The Club is just being realistic in offering a contract the fits his output.
As a comparison at the beginning of the 2006 season how would the respective contracts for Scott Welsh, Scott Stevens and Kris Massie compare? I would guess that Scotty was getting at least double the other 2. If you were paying them on a performance based contract I would suggest that for 2006 Scott S and Kris would get at least 400% on top of ScottW.
Hence the club has probably tried to even out payments so that those who play will receive a better deal. It is probably a fact in AFL that you seem to be paid by how you played (or did not play) the previous year when getting your contract for future years. Obvious exceptions are young players who show promise for the future (e.g. Douglas).
Chin up Scott Welsh...put in a good season in 2007 and your rate will rise again.
 
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AndrewJo said:
Cutting the level of his contract does not mean that we are prepared to jettison him.
True, but if the club was of serious belief that we will be good enough to make the GF, they would have made a significant offer since they do see him as important player.

If AFC's history is anything to go by, we would have given Welshy a better contract if we thought we are a legitimate chance for a flag. Since I believe that the AFC think we are unlikely to be there, they have given him a contract that is considrably less than his last one.
 

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Re: Could Welsh be our next victim ?

Stiffy_18 said:
True, but if the club was of serious belief that we will be good enough to make the GF, they would have made a significant offer since they do see him as important player.

If AFC's history is anything to go by, we would have given Welshy a better contract if we thought we are a legitimate chance for a flag. Since I believe that the AFC think we are unlikely to be there, they have given him a contract that is considrably less than his last one.

Stiffy, I disagree with this theory about thinking we are not good enough, using Welsh as an indicator.

Welsh was as useless as **** on a ball when it really counted in the finals last year, and if we are going to pin our hopes on Scotty Welsh then we are well and truly behind the 8 ball. He is unreliable, inconsistent and injury prone. An out of form Kenny McGregor would have done a far better job against West Coast - if only he had played!!

Or a fit in form Roo would have made mincemeat out of Scotty's p isspoor effort in that match.

IMO the club has offered him what they have, because that's a fair reflection of what they think his current day worth is. Nothing more than that.

The fact that they are prepared to let him walk if that's what he prefers to do is once again a true indicator of the reduced value he holds in the clubs eyes.
 
Re: Could Welsh be our next victim ?

Crow-mo said:
Given how important Scott Welsh is to our prospects in 2007, especially given Trents inury, the fact that we are prepared to jettison him all but confirms Stiffy's view about us being in surreptitious rebulding mode.
Could it be that NC has plans for Jericho?....:(
 
Re: Could Welsh be our next victim ?

macca23 said:
IMO the club has offered him what they have, because that's a fair reflection of what they think his current day worth is. Nothing more than that.

The fact that they are prepared to let him walk if that's what he prefers to do is once again a true indicator of the reduced value he holds in the clubs eyes.
Did anyone see The Trigginator on Ch9 news tonight?

Sensationlist Kym: Will Scott re-sign ?

Trigginator: *shrug*, meh.......WGAF

did anyone else get that vibe ?...........or was that just me ?
 
Re: Could Welsh be our next victim ?

Mad Dog said:
Did anyone see The Trigginator on Ch9 news tonight?

Sensationlist Kym: Will Scott re-sign ?

Trigginator: *shrug*, meh.......WGAF

did anyone else get that vibe ?...........or was that just me ?

WGAF?????:confused:
 

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