Werewolf Werewolf - Dr. Wolf

[SM]

Yeah fine I'll go BigJoeD.

I'm future can we please stick to the rule that vamps alternate at night between killing and converting?

 

[SM]

I've already given the order of events.


And vamps make sense to me.

When I say they're a mess I'm not suggesting what is going on is hard to understand. I'm suggesting it's messed up the game. They need to alternate at night or it just gets silly like it has. At this rate if the vamps win itll be because of attrition not skill.

 

[akkaps]

Yeah fine I'll go BigJoeD.

I'm future can we please stick to the rule that vamps alternate at night between killing and converting?

Done.

 

[Wosh]

Well it's not they is it? Only one left right?

I dunno, could there be more than 1? The vamps role confuses me this game as to what nights they killed recruited etc. I might do another complete countback later.

 

[akkaps]

When I say they're a mess I'm not suggesting what is going on is hard to understand. I'm suggesting it's messed up the game. They need to alternate at night or it just gets silly like it has. At this rate if the vamps win itll be because of attrition not skill.

Today is the second chance for the village to vote to lynch the last vamp.

 

[Wosh]

Except that his seers are likely our only way to win.

I realise that.
will see how today pans put.

 

[Wosh]

Except that his seers are likely our only way to win.

I'm sure the vamps Realised that too..
He's a valuable commodity to both sides is pants.

 

[SM]

Today is the second chance for the village to vote to lynch the last vamp.

Exactly, and if we don't the vamps will probably win. Not through any skill, but just the constant recruiting at night. Surely you see the need to alternate their powers not give them the choice?

 

[BigJoeD_]

Couple of things have caught my eye - the apparent conversion last night of tigland and a couple of strange seers the past couple of nights.

Pants was very studious with his seers early in the piece, which helped us out immensely - things got a bit different on the 4th night:

I seered a flog last night and it was one mentioned as a flog in this thread so I'm all for believing.

Very non-committal in comparison with his earlier seers. Then he seers the known vigilante last night?
It's not making sense.

Then there is the conversion of tigland - the only way that makes sense is if you are the vamp/seer and you want to ensure your cover is not blown by the other seer. If the vamp had any other role it would have made sense to convert the vig, not the seer. Personally, I think we are being played by a very shrewd operator.

pantskyle

 

[SM]

I'm sure the vamps Realised that too..
He's a valuable commodity to both sides is pants.

Juggs is more valuable to them so not sure why they weren't converted.

 

[Wosh]

Sorry for the double answer, doing 10 things at once here.
Anyhoo I mentioned a few times BJD and his shifty eyes so if most are convinced it should be him we go for I'm not against that.

 

[pantskyle]

Couple of things have caught my eye - the apparent conversion last night of tigland and a couple of strange seers the past couple of nights.

Pants was very studious with his seers early in the piece, which helped us out immensely - things got a bit different on the 4th night:



Very non-committal in comparison with his earlier seers. Then he seers the known vigilante last night?
It's not making sense.

Then there is the conversion of tigland - the only way that makes sense is if you are the vamp/seer and you want to ensure your cover is not blown by the other seer. If the vamp had any other role it would have made sense to convert the vig, not the seer. Personally, I think we are being played by a very shrewd operator.

pantskyle

Lol ok, not because I voted for you.

Me seering the juggs last night was actually the smartest seer target, if he was converted the village lose, so instead I confirm he is still good. Twice now I have saved the juggs.

If I was evil I would claim that the Juggs was a vamp and say that he mustn't have changed his kill on tigland and pushed hard for it.

Thinking I'm correct now that Ant Bear nailed you.

 

[akkaps]

Exactly, and if we don't the vamps will probably win. Not through any skill, but just the constant recruiting at night. Surely you see the need to alternate their powers not give them the choice?

Descriptions have been changed for my next game.

 

[BigJoeD_]

Lol ok, not because I voted for you.

Me seering the juggs last night was actually the smartest seer target, if he was converted the village lose, so instead I confirm he is still good. Twice now I have saved the juggs.

If I was evil I would claim that the Juggs was a vamp and say that he mustn't have changed his kill on tigland and pushed hard for it.

Thinking I'm correct now that Ant Bear nailed you.

Not really - personally I think it makes more sense (if I'm you) to eliminate/convert the other seer last night (ensuring your cover can't be blown) and then convert the juggs tonight - you're then home and hosed.

I'm struggling to get my head around why tigland was targeted as a recruit, and this theory is the only one stacking up at the moment. Either that or there is a n00b vamp.

The other possibility is that we are on the wrong track altogether, and tigland was the vamp prior to last night and has recruited someone else.

Again, they're all theories - the only thing I'm sure of is that I aint the vamp.

 

[pantskyle]

Not really - personally I think it makes more sense (if I'm you) to eliminate/convert the other seer last night (ensuring your cover can't be blown) and then convert the juggs tonight - you're then home and hosed.

I'm struggling to get my head around why tigland was targeted as a recruit, and this theory is the only one stacking up at the moment. Either that or there is a n00b vamp.

The other possibility is that we are on the wrong track altogether, and tigland was the vamp prior to last night and has recruited someone else.

Again, they're all theories - the only thing I'm sure of is that I aint the vamp.

So basically you said before that if you were the vamp you would have recruited the juggs because that's the smart thing to do, but me also being a very smart player would do something completely different? Ok.

Why did Ant Bear choose you to lynch yesterday? He clearly seered you?

 

[SM]

So basically you said before that if you were the vamp you would have recruited the juggs because that's the smart thing to do, but me also being a very smart player would do something completely different? Ok.

Why did Ant Bear choose you to lynch yesterday? He clearly seered you?

His theory does make sense.

However taking into account that the Jugg then took him out is pretty unlikely.

 

[pantskyle]

His theory does make sense.

However taking into account that the Jugg then took him out is pretty unlikely.

I'm not saying it doesn't make sense but he said just before how he would have done it because he is smart, so naturally wouldn't I do the same?

Why did Ant Bear single out BJD?

 

[BigJoeD_]

So basically you said before that if you were the vamp you would have recruited the juggs because that's the smart thing to do, but me also being a very smart player would do something completely different? Ok.

I'm saying that in my position it would make sense to recruit the vig, but potentially not in yours - as I explained if you could have recruited the other seer and colluded today you would have the whole village eating out of the palm of your hand, lynch an innocent today and recruit the vig tonight - game over.

I'm actually giving you some credit here. It's the only scenario that makes sense to me, if we assume tigland was only recruited last night.

Why did Ant Bear choose you to lynch yesterday? He clearly seered you?

Who knows? Because I voted for him, and FP before that?
He wasn't making much sense when questioned on it either

His theory does make sense.

However taking into account that the Jugg then took him out is pretty unlikely.

Juggs wouldn't have known what pants was up to - pants isn't going to finger the juggs today if he plans to recruit him tonight.

 

[SM]

I'm still accepting pants is good based on him saying freight train is still good. No motivation to offer that unprovoked otherwise, and if it's part of his plan then it just eliminates one person he could shift suspicion on.

 

[pantskyle]

I'm saying that in my position it would make sense to recruit the vig, but potentially not in yours - as I explained if you could have recruited the other seer and colluded today you would have the whole village eating out of the palm of your hand, lynch an innocent today and recruit the vig tonight - game over.

I'm actually giving you some credit here. It's the only scenario that makes sense to me, if we assume tigland was only recruited last night.



Who knows? Because I voted for him, and FP before that?
He wasn't making much sense when questioned on it either



Juggs wouldn't have known what pants was up to - pants isn't going to finger the juggs today if he plans to recruit him tonight.

I could achieve the same thing by just saying I seered the juggs and he is evil and get him hanged.

It also works just as well for you to try and start a bandwagon vote on me thus removing a seer and then converting the juggs tonight.

Maybe you goofed in converting tigland and not me.

 

[pantskyle]

I'm still accepting pants is good based on him saying freight train is still good. No motivation to offer that unprovoked otherwise, and if it's part of his plan then it just eliminates one person he could shift suspicion on.

If either myself or TFT dies today the village lose.

 

[BigJoeD_]

I could achieve the same thing by just saying I seered the juggs and he is evil and get him hanged.

Not really, then the rest of us would know you were evil once the vig died and he wasn't a vamp. It would be a lot easier (and quicker) for you to win with the vig onside rather than dead.

It also works just as well for you to try and start a bandwagon vote on me thus removing a seer and then converting the juggs tonight.

Maybe you goofed in converting tigland and not me.

I'm not trying to start anything - I'm trying to work out the rationale of the vamp recruiting a seer rather than a vig.

This is of course assuming tigland was recruited last night - for all we know he was the recruiter, not the recruitee.

 

[Millky95]

akkaps post game can we get a list of who was recruited when and all that please?

 

[akkaps]

akkaps post game can we get a list of who was recruited when and all that please?

No worries.

 

[pantskyle]

Not really, then the rest of us would know you were evil once the vig died and he wasn't a vamp. It would be a lot easier (and quicker) for you to win with the vig onside rather than dead.



I'm not trying to start anything - I'm trying to work out the rationale of the vamp recruiting a seer rather than a vig.

This is of course assuming tigland was recruited last night - for all we know he was the recruiter, not the recruitee.

Yes really, the juggs would be gone, the village would have no night action and the vamps could then stockpile. Of course I would hang the next day but there would still always be two vamps come day.