Review What makes you think next year will be any better?

[Dr Awkward]

Can someone give me a two or three sentence synopsis on what happened with Connors this season?

 

[tigs2010]

Can someone give me a two or three sentence synopsis on what happened with Connors this season?

Connors was our first sub got dropped after i think round 2 got injured first or second game in VFL and i believe its a tendon injury. He has had phases where he trains gets to 90% (Source: Matt Hornsby) and then re-injures it. Unless he is traded he will be back next year. Is handy depth player. Certainly has talent.

 

[IDGAF]

 

[Parquet Court]

the on the couch guys had a lenghty chat about the tiges and the future, roosy seemed to think some trades were needed and gerard said we were a ruckman and 2 KPP away from being very competetive...mike liked our top end talent and star factor

stuff we probably already know, i dont think ivan maric is the answer for a ruck spot, dont necessarilly think we need to get any more KPPs, astbury and grimes will look good down back next year

 

[sante]

Yeah I don't quite see why we need 2 Key defenders? I'm happy to play these younger guys (Rance, Grimes, Astbury and Post) and let them develop in the seniors instead of filling the gap for a year or 2 with some older hack.

 

[MightyTiger]

the on the couch guys had a lenghty chat about the tiges and the future, roosy seemed to think some trades were needed and gerard said we were a ruckman and 2 KPP away from being very competetive...mike liked our top end talent and star factor

stuff we probably already know, i dont think ivan maric is the answer for a ruck spot, dont necessarilly think we need to get any more KPPs, astbury and grimes will look good down back next year

Yeah I don't quite see why we need 2 Key defenders? I'm happy to play these younger guys (Rance, Grimes, Astbury and Post) and let them develop in the seniors instead of filling the gap for a year or 2 with some older hack.

^^ What he said.

I was watching the show tonight and heard that piece, I just can not believe how unprofessional and lazy Roos and Healy are with there knowledge on certain things, to say we need 2 defenders is IMO quite silly, when we have about 4-5 starting back 6 defenders sitting on the sidelines through injury with 2 of them being KPD.

As sante said, we have Rance, Grimes, Astbury and Post to work with as young KPDs who will fill spots at FB and at CHB, which ones comes on the quickest is anyone's guess but Rance is definitely our starting FB and until the other 3 develop properly through Size and Maturity CHB is anyone's guess.

Our biggest weakness is skilled quick outside runners who work just as hard defensively as they do offensively, a Ruckmen we can get once fill other holes in our list, but for now all we need is patience and these 195CM teenagers will blossom into good Defenders.

 

[Coxy_]

Yeah I don't quite see why we need 2 Key defenders? I'm happy to play these younger guys (Rance, Grimes, Astbury and Post) and let them develop in the seniors instead of filling the gap for a year or 2 with some older hack.

The 4 you mention could all finish up being good players. Rance is already there. It's time to move McGuane on. Possibly keep Thursfield as depth?

 

[santa claws]

^^ What he said.

I was watching the show tonight and heard that piece, I just can not believe how unprofessional and lazy Roos and Healy are with there knowledge on certain things, to say we need 2 defenders is IMO quite silly, when we have about 4-5 starting back 6 defenders sitting on the sidelines through injury with 2 of them being KPD.

As sante said, we have Rance, Grimes, Astbury and Post to work with as young KPDs who will fill spots at FB and at CHB, which ones comes on the quickest is anyone's guess but Rance is definitely our starting FB and until the other 3 develop properly through Size and Maturity CHB is anyone's guess.

Our biggest weakness is skilled quick outside runners who work just as hard defensively as they do offensively, a Ruckmen we can get once fill other holes in our list, but for now all we need is patience and these 195CM teenagers will blossom into good Defenders.

perhaps simply put roos does not rate the young kpds we have. he wouldnt be the lone ranger there.

i for one do not rate rance, grimes while having the right attributes may never have the size to be a genuine kpd see thurfield. astbury imo is not a defender and the post man does have deficiencies that need work.

what i would not give to have just one of the james frawley quality we have nothing remotely in his class.

 

[YellowandBlackBlood]

perhaps simply put roos does not rate the young kpds we have. he wouldnt be the lone ranger there.

i for one do not rate rance, grimes while having the right attributes may never have the size to be a genuine kpd see thurfield. astbury imo is not a defender and the post man does have deficiencies that need work.

what i would not give to have just one of the james frawley quality we have nothing remotely in his class.

Mate you are so pessimistic!

You are threatening to make me stop believing in Santa Claus!

 

[MightyTiger]

perhaps simply put roos does not rate the young kpds we have. he wouldnt be the lone ranger there.

i for one do not rate rance, grimes while having the right attributes may never have the size to be a genuine kpd see thurfield. astbury imo is not a defender and the post man does have deficiencies that need work.

what i would not give to have just one of the james frawley quality we have nothing remotely in his class.

That's fine, but as you always say yourself we need to give these kids a go and see if they can cut the mustard, there's no point in continually recruiting for the one area for 3-4 years in a row and not give each batch an opportunity to prove there worth.

Rance has proven himself to be a very good FB this year, however we all know 1 good year does not make a career and if he can keep improving I cant see why he wont be our long term option.

Grimes you are right is suited more to a 3rd tall, but as we saw in his first game this year he can play CHB in which he played on Franklin on the night and IMO beat Franklin quite a few times in contests.

Astbury is your traditional swing man, can play Forward and can play Back, for now he learns his craft as a Defender as our stocks are quite light on.

Post is the funny one, last year he was played in the backline as the 3rd tall and was in no man's land as the club simply could not find a spot for him that he looked interested in, fast forward 12 months and he's slotted into CHB nicely in his few games and has been very good defensively with his spoils and has taken quite a few marks by out bodying his opposition.

I'm of the belief we have the cattle and we need to develop these kids rather then continue drafting more of the same because of impatience.

 

[Bazzar]

perhaps simply put roos does not rate the young kpds we have. he wouldnt be the lone ranger there.

i for one do not rate rance, grimes while having the right attributes may never have the size to be a genuine kpd see thurfield. astbury imo is not a defender and the post man does have deficiencies that need work.

what i would not give to have just one of the james frawley quality we have nothing remotely in his class.

Your negativity shits me to tears

 

[Punt_Road_Roar]

I cant bloody find him !!!

 

[GhostofJimJess]

If you think he's not up to it and needs to be moved on, why do you think other clubs wont have the same opinion?

Gotta give something decent to get something decent, and Foley is the most dispensable out of Cotchin, Conca, Martin, Deledio and Jackson. If we could get a good quality trade for the likes of Edwards, White, Farmer etc. I'd have mentioned them instead.

This would allow us to use our first draft choice on another quality young mid.

 

[IDGAF]

I cant bloody find him !!!

i reckon he's just above the green beach towell

 

[Calcium Man]

perhaps simply put roos does not rate the young kpds we have. he wouldnt be the lone ranger there.

i for one do not rate rance, grimes while having the right attributes may never have the size to be a genuine kpd see thurfield. astbury imo is not a defender and the post man does have deficiencies that need work.

what i would not give to have just one of the james frawley quality we have nothing remotely in his class.

I normally just ignore your post's because they always go over the same thing about not bottoming out, getting more high draft picks, pretty much every player on our list not up to AFL standard but calling James Frawley quality over Rance? I watch Melbourne a lot because i'm dragged by my best mate and Frawley is constantly covered by Garland, Rivers and Grimes when fit. Yes he has some good dash but he makes just as many errors as Rance and is caught out of position a fair bit. He is a very good young player but a lot of it is media hype.

 

[Parquet Court]

i dont get the rance hate from santa...has a lion heart, is actually enormous and has not even entered his prime....i personally think he could be unleashed as a winger / inside mid over the next couple of seasons. shall wait and see though.

and milk man is right about the back 6 working together, besides darren glass or prestigiacomo no other full back in the past 5 seasons or so has the ability to blanket his opponent without team support...its all about zones and the like

 

[Wally Matera]

Hey there.... ear l am.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

I normally just ignore your post's because they always go over the same thing about not bottoming out, getting more high draft picks, pretty much every player on our list not up to AFL standard but calling James Frawley quality over Rance? I watch Melbourne a lot because i'm dragged by my best mate and Frawley is constantly covered by Garland, Rivers and Grimes when fit. Yes he has some good dash but he makes just as many errors as Rance and is caught out of position a fair bit. He is a very good young player but a lot of it is media hype.

Chip gifted us a couple of goals the other night, ya won't see santa saying it though

 

[camiam]

-EXPERIENCE!!!
-SPREAD OF GOAL KICKERS
-OUR BACK LINE WILL RETURN FROM INJURY
-A NEW RUCK MAN
-SELF BELIEF
-CROWD SUPPORT
-BETTER TRAINING FACILITIES
-MORE MONEY
-BREAK OUT YEAR FOR VICKERS, NAHAS, RANCE
-PROMISING SIGNS FROM HOULI AND GRIGG,THEY HAVE PROVEN TO US THAT THEY ARE LOYAL. AND A GREAT PICK UP FROM THE RECRUITING DEPARTMENT
-FINDING YOUNG PLAYERS LIKE GRIMES, BATCH, CONCA AND HELBIG(POST, GRIFF are on the right track)

im not to sure why you said we havent really improved from last year. not about the win/loss ratio atm even thou we are ahead. Its about getting experience into our young guys and to find a team that will take us to the future. cotchin, martin, riewoldt, lids, vickers, rance, houli and grigg are players to build a team around. players like batch and grimes working from the back line have showed us they have a older head and a lot of potential in them. all i can see now is the light at the end of the tunnel. its been a long time

 

[Yelle]

I think more experience into players such as Conca, Griffiths, Martin, Cotchin, Rance, Batchelor, Grimes, Vickery, Riewoldt and Post will be crucial. They're all young and will be in our best 22 in the future.

 

[Mr Magic]

I think more experience into players such as Conca, Griffiths, Martin, Cotchin, Rance, Batchelor, Grimes, Vickery, Riewoldt and Post will be crucial. They're all young and will be in our best 22 in the future.

Its not so much the experience for mine, it is more the conditioning , fitness, strengthening of their bodies etc.. gelling better to the team and game plan as well as the new injection of quality.


All in all we are crealy becoming an improving team!!

 

[santa claws]

Your negativity shits me to tears

lol i dont look thru just black and yellow eyes like the vast majority on here do.. i dont let emotion interfere. and when i rate our players i stick to a strict criteria which has held me in good stead.
what you call negativity is what i call a fair and balanced view point.
simply put i dont think rances yr anywhere near as good as most on here proclaim and i do have concerns about critical areas of his game if he is to play full back.
improve in those areas and i will jump on board with all the rest of you blinkered lot.

frawley or rance i know which one id take and i wouldnt have to think about it.

rance or several others not a hard choice atm.

hes had a good yr but crikey hes still got so many weaknesses and so much more to improve yet to be considered a good player.
for most the deficiencies are totally over looked and hes already an A grader now that is laughable.

in reality it should be realistic people coming on here bemoaning the over the top lauding of our players before they have shown consistency of any kind.
but hey i forget one good game or a handful for most supporters is enough evidence of them being elite.

 

[Bazzar]

frawley or rance i know which one id take and i wouldnt have to think about it.

Same. l I wouldnt think twice. Rance by a mile. A key defender who averages 19 possessions, leads our spoils (117, 34 more than second place) 104 possession gains (No 1 on our list) - they are possessions won back from the opposition. Beaten twice - Petrie 5 goals, Minson 4 goals, but took the scalps of Goodes ( Twice) Podsiadly, J Brown, Lynch, Crameri, Frawley is very good, also a touch overrated, but Rance is just finding his feet as one hell of a gun young defender.

I know you will always pick a non-Tiger as thats your thing for some strange reason, but for once have a look within your own club, you might like what you see.

 

[osakabull]

Nothing much will change next year because our players have no idea about defensive running. The crows midfield today are smashing us.Our midfield is seriously overrated.A good ruckman wont help the situation.
Brisbane will definitely go past us next year.

 

[MightyTiger]

Nothing much will change next year because our players have no idea about defensive running. The crows midfield today are smashing us.Our midfield is seriously overrated.A good ruckman wont help the situation.
Brisbane will definitely go past us next year.

You know they have nasal sprays for this condition?