Strategy What to do with pick 1 now we’ve got it - Do We Need Reid or is it Curtins

[Dylan82]

I've had enough of all of these kents already.

Nothing would satisfy me more right now than drafting H.Reid and watch him kick a bag against the tin-rattlers.


And anyone else wanting to entertain splitting the pick in this massively compromised draft needs to give themselves an uppercut as well.

 

[ronpingwins]

ronpingwins

I wholeheartedly apologise for dragging you into that. I’ve edited out the link to you, albeit added the making out with Reid part

 

[Mop]

17 other clubs draft Reid with pick 1 no questions asked, no uncertainty. Why does it seem only us that might still be up in the air about it. Hell the club could market him similar to Nicnat, there will be kids wearing his number just because he's Harley years down the line. He can spend a weekend down at Cott beach and find himself a Perth lady, assuming he doesnt have one already. Perhaps he's a certainty to be drafted by us and we're just thinking too much into it.

As someone mentioned in the main draft thread, it's hard to know whether the media is feeding off smoke or just trying to manufacture a fire to create said smoke internally.


ROB's comments in late July on Gettable gave me faith that we were going to hold the line and just use one if we got it.

 

[eaglespremiers]

I wholeheartedly apologise for dragging you into that. I’ve edited out the link to you, albeit added the making out with Reid part

Nah, all good. But I was on a hiding to nothing in that thread.

As someone mentioned in the main draft thread, it's hard to know whether the media is feeding off smoke or just trying to manufacture a fire to create said smoke internally.


ROB's comments in late July on Gettable gave me faith that we were going to hold the line and just use one if we got it.

I'm now convinced that it's not Reid, or his attitude to moving, who will be an impediment to his selection but rather West Coast's own draft designs. If he interviews with the West Coast team like he chatted with me tonight there should be no reason for our recruiters to be concerned about the "go home factor".

Whether the above is any solace I suppose depends on your thoughts on the competence of our list management.

 

[WCE_phil]

People know I think Reid is the best prospect in the open draft pool but I really think people are over hyping him in comparison to McKercher.

Reid stepped it up and played well against men but in the juniors McKercher really reigned supreme this year. 31 disposals and almost 1.5 goals a game in the CTL as a junior with his speed, skills and ability to play inside and out is really nothing to sniff at. Morrish medalist from 8 games scoring votes in 7 out of his 8 games and he got injured in one of those (I can't remember if it was the one he failed to poll in). To put that into perspective it is a 13 game season. He is great on transition, runs and carries at speed and his weighted kicking to a man upfield or on a lead is absolutely delightful. Also really knows where the goals are. Only real weaknesses are his relative size at afl level and how almost purely left footed he is.

I think people are really over hyping the drop off from pick 1 to 2. Now if pick 2 is the WCE and it's Curtin I agree just draft Reid and be done with it. However if North come knocking with an offer like the one I suggested that includes pick 2 I would be snapping it up and I think pretty much every other recruiting manager would as well.

Now when I mention pick 14 and just how highly I rate Ollie Murphy. He should still be on the board. Walter, Read, Caddy, Croft, O'sullivan and Curtin at least all likely to be taken before him. Now yes, 3 of those players are club tied but it would be very surprising to see him off the board before live pick 14. He's just a real outright pure key defender. His lack of intercept play will likely see him slide a touch.

Now if you are able to add Archie Roberts off of half back, Zakostelsky as a future CHB and then trade up with the swans for their pick 23 to finish. (someone is going to bid on Cleary just because of how much Sydney pissed on everyone bidding on multiple players only to then trade out said pick to the Hawks last year)

You are adding some real class, run and carry and speed with the two smalls listed, Zakostelsky is the quickest KPP in the land (He's tested quicker than any player we've ever had on the list) and Murphy is a true genuine full back. There are a couple of specific names I can't mention here but I just want to point this out as a viable option for people. Now it's a gamble particularly if Josh Smillie doesn't come through hard as a big ball winning mid next year and Culley doesn't make it but if he does/they do the club will have drafted an exceptionally well balanced midfield, become one of the fastest young teams in the league and will have plenty of run and carry.

Ball winning, speed of ball movement, speed of ball in hand, ability in the air, ground and plenty of aggression. Yes you lose the top rated talent in this draft, but you give the club the ability to take first choice options for the other roles they are looking to fill as opposed to their second or third choice options. I think this draft has plenty of talent and that the talent runs deep particularly in the tall stocks and role playing positions. I'd rather be the recruiter who gets the matching players on my draft board than the one who is speculating and having to cobble together the rest after the first selection.

Now I won't mention this again unless a trade does happen but I want people to really think about and understand over the course of a 5 year draft rebuild (people will again be upset by this but it's the reality and this is the clubs third draft) you absolutely need star players but you also need to build a list that can compete together, balance as a team and build towards success. With 18 players on the field plus interchange, subs and depth required it's really about winning the war, not just a single battle in building the list.

 

[eaglespremiers]

People know I think Reid is the best prospect in the open draft pool but I really think people are over hyping him in comparison to McKercher.

Reid stepped it up and played well against men but in the juniors McKercher really reigned supreme this year. 31 disposals and almost 1.5 goals a game in the CTL as a junior with his speed, skills and ability to play inside and out is really nothing to sniff at. Morrish medalist from 8 games scoring votes in 7 out of his 8 games and he got injured in one of those (I can't remember if it was the one he failed to poll in). To put that into perspective it is a 13 game season. He is great on transition, runs and carries at speed and his weighted kicking to a man upfield or on a lead is absolutely delightful. Also really knows where the goals are. Only real weaknesses are his relative size at afl level and how almost purely left footed he is.

I think people are really over hyping the drop off from pick 1 to 2. Now if pick 2 is the WCE and it's Curtin I agree just draft Reid and be done with it. However if North come knocking with an offer like the one I suggested that includes pick 2 I would be snapping it up and I think pretty much every other recruiting manager would as well.

Now when I mention pick 14 and just how highly I rate Ollie Murphy. He should still be on the board. Walter, Read, Caddy, Croft, O'sullivan and Curtin at least all likely to be taken before him. Now yes, 3 of those players are club tied but it would be very surprising to see him off the board before live pick 14. He's just a real outright pure key defender. His lack of intercept play will likely see him slide a touch.

Now if you are able to add Archie Roberts off of half back, Zakostelsky as a future CHB and then trade up with the swans for their pick 23 to finish. (someone is going to bid on Cleary just because of how much Sydney pissed on everyone bidding on multiple players only to then trade out said pick to the Hawks last year)

You are adding some real class, run and carry and speed with the two smalls listed, Zakostelsky is the quickest KPP in the land (He's tested quicker than any player we've ever had on the list) and Murphy is a true genuine full back. There are a couple of specific names I can't mention here but I just want to point this out as a viable option for people. Now it's a gamble particularly if Josh Smillie doesn't come through hard as a big ball winning mid next year and Culley doesn't make it but if he does/they do the club will have drafted an exceptionally well balanced midfield, become one of the fastest young teams in the league and will have plenty of run and carry.

Ball winning, speed of ball movement, speed of ball in hand, ability in the air, ground and plenty of aggression. Yes you lose the top rated talent in this draft, but you give the club the ability to take first choice options for the other roles they are looking to fill as opposed to their second or third choice options. I think this draft has plenty of talent and that the talent runs deep particularly in the tall stocks and role playing positions. I'd rather be the recruiter who gets the matching players on my draft board than the one who is speculating and having to cobble together the rest after the first selection.

Now I won't mention this again unless a trade does happen but I want people to really think about and understand over the course of a 5 year draft rebuild (people will again be upset by this but it's the reality and this is the clubs third draft) you absolutely need star players but you also need to build a list that can compete together, balance as a team and build towards success. With 18 players on the field plus interchange, subs and depth required it's really about winning the war, not just a single battle in building the list.

I rate McKercher extremely highly (and definitely the 2nd best option this year), however, I think our trepidation with any trade from pick 1 is the constant suggestion that we are trading down for Curtin, which we both seem to agree is problematic. So if we trade the assumption will be that Curtin is the intention and not the much more preferable McKercher. If we want McKercher I'd prefer we trade our future first (as risky as that is) rather than lose out on Reid.

 

[kane249]

17 other clubs draft Reid with pick 1 no questions asked, no uncertainty. Why does it seem only us that might still be up in the air about it. Hell the club could market him similar to Nicnat, there will be kids wearing his number just because he's Harley years down the line. He can spend a weekend down at Cott beach and find himself a Perth lady, assuming he doesnt have one already. Perhaps he's a certainty to be drafted by us and we're just thinking too much into it.

For your own sake, stay off the Norf board.

You keep buying into their bullshit and you start jumping at shadows

 

[random260]

People know I think Reid is the best prospect in the open draft pool but I really think people are over hyping him in comparison to McKercher.

Reid stepped it up and played well against men but in the juniors McKercher really reigned supreme this year. 31 disposals and almost 1.5 goals a game in the CTL as a junior with his speed, skills and ability to play inside and out is really nothing to sniff at. Morrish medalist from 8 games scoring votes in 7 out of his 8 games and he got injured in one of those (I can't remember if it was the one he failed to poll in). To put that into perspective it is a 13 game season. He is great on transition, runs and carries at speed and his weighted kicking to a man upfield or on a lead is absolutely delightful. Also really knows where the goals are. Only real weaknesses are his relative size at afl level and how almost purely left footed he is.

I think people are really over hyping the drop off from pick 1 to 2. Now if pick 2 is the WCE and it's Curtin I agree just draft Reid and be done with it. However if North come knocking with an offer like the one I suggested that includes pick 2 I would be snapping it up and I think pretty much every other recruiting manager would as well.

Now when I mention pick 14 and just how highly I rate Ollie Murphy. He should still be on the board. Walter, Read, Caddy, Croft, O'sullivan and Curtin at least all likely to be taken before him. Now yes, 3 of those players are club tied but it would be very surprising to see him off the board before live pick 14. He's just a real outright pure key defender. His lack of intercept play will likely see him slide a touch.

Now if you are able to add Archie Roberts off of half back, Zakostelsky as a future CHB and then trade up with the swans for their pick 23 to finish. (someone is going to bid on Cleary just because of how much Sydney pissed on everyone bidding on multiple players only to then trade out said pick to the Hawks last year)

You are adding some real class, run and carry and speed with the two smalls listed, Zakostelsky is the quickest KPP in the land (He's tested quicker than any player we've ever had on the list) and Murphy is a true genuine full back. There are a couple of specific names I can't mention here but I just want to point this out as a viable option for people. Now it's a gamble particularly if Josh Smillie doesn't come through hard as a big ball winning mid next year and Culley doesn't make it but if he does/they do the club will have drafted an exceptionally well balanced midfield, become one of the fastest young teams in the league and will have plenty of run and carry.

Ball winning, speed of ball movement, speed of ball in hand, ability in the air, ground and plenty of aggression. Yes you lose the top rated talent in this draft, but you give the club the ability to take first choice options for the other roles they are looking to fill as opposed to their second or third choice options. I think this draft has plenty of talent and that the talent runs deep particularly in the tall stocks and role playing positions. I'd rather be the recruiter who gets the matching players on my draft board than the one who is speculating and having to cobble together the rest after the first selection.

Now I won't mention this again unless a trade does happen but I want people to really think about and understand over the course of a 5 year draft rebuild (people will again be upset by this but it's the reality and this is the clubs third draft) you absolutely need star players but you also need to build a list that can compete together, balance as a team and build towards success. With 18 players on the field plus interchange, subs and depth required it's really about winning the war, not just a single battle in building the list.

Who's better mckercher or Finn O Sullivan?

Has mckercher played VFL league yet?

Also there Is no Harley reid in next year's draft.

A recruiter mentioned Reid has no weakness besides from endurance. He has an underrated elite kicking ability due to his awkward kicking action. But he has everything you could hope for and then more. I hope Harley reid ranks top 3 in the beep test or endurance at combine because that will be some sort of statement

Also that last coats final game with Harley reid 28 possesion showed his arrogance and just a man playing with boys. I haven't seen the arrogance in any draftees in years. That game in isolation shows the gap

But the below statements you made are red flags. But I respect how neutral and well balanced your arguments are.
1. Reid stepped it up and played well against men but in the juniors McKercher ...
2. Now it's a gamble particularly if Josh Smillie doesn't come through hard as a big ball winning mid next year and Culley doesn't make it
3. Only real weaknesses are his relative size at afl level

We can't take those risk on or gamble with splitting Reid.

 

[eaglespremiers]

For your own sake, stay off the Norf board.

 

[ROO DOGG]

Law of averages Mr Pink in the Stink! Well overdue I'd say.

I pretty shure logistically speaking its pretty hard to get the pink in the stink?

 

[Jupes]

i just read the last few pages of that norf thread
lol
lmao

 

[maverick001]

People know I think Reid is the best prospect in the open draft pool but I really think people are over hyping him in comparison to McKercher.

Reid stepped it up and played well against men but in the juniors McKercher really reigned supreme this year. 31 disposals and almost 1.5 goals a game in the CTL as a junior with his speed, skills and ability to play inside and out is really nothing to sniff at. Morrish medalist from 8 games scoring votes in 7 out of his 8 games and he got injured in one of those (I can't remember if it was the one he failed to poll in). To put that into perspective it is a 13 game season. He is great on transition, runs and carries at speed and his weighted kicking to a man upfield or on a lead is absolutely delightful. Also really knows where the goals are. Only real weaknesses are his relative size at afl level and how almost purely left footed he is.

I think people are really over hyping the drop off from pick 1 to 2. Now if pick 2 is the WCE and it's Curtin I agree just draft Reid and be done with it. However if North come knocking with an offer like the one I suggested that includes pick 2 I would be snapping it up and I think pretty much every other recruiting manager would as well.

Now when I mention pick 14 and just how highly I rate Ollie Murphy. He should still be on the board. Walter, Read, Caddy, Croft, O'sullivan and Curtin at least all likely to be taken before him. Now yes, 3 of those players are club tied but it would be very surprising to see him off the board before live pick 14. He's just a real outright pure key defender. His lack of intercept play will likely see him slide a touch.

Now if you are able to add Archie Roberts off of half back, Zakostelsky as a future CHB and then trade up with the swans for their pick 23 to finish. (someone is going to bid on Cleary just because of how much Sydney pissed on everyone bidding on multiple players only to then trade out said pick to the Hawks last year)

You are adding some real class, run and carry and speed with the two smalls listed, Zakostelsky is the quickest KPP in the land (He's tested quicker than any player we've ever had on the list) and Murphy is a true genuine full back. There are a couple of specific names I can't mention here but I just want to point this out as a viable option for people. Now it's a gamble particularly if Josh Smillie doesn't come through hard as a big ball winning mid next year and Culley doesn't make it but if he does/they do the club will have drafted an exceptionally well balanced midfield, become one of the fastest young teams in the league and will have plenty of run and carry.

Ball winning, speed of ball movement, speed of ball in hand, ability in the air, ground and plenty of aggression. Yes you lose the top rated talent in this draft, but you give the club the ability to take first choice options for the other roles they are looking to fill as opposed to their second or third choice options. I think this draft has plenty of talent and that the talent runs deep particularly in the tall stocks and role playing positions. I'd rather be the recruiter who gets the matching players on my draft board than the one who is speculating and having to cobble together the rest after the first selection.

Now I won't mention this again unless a trade does happen but I want people to really think about and understand over the course of a 5 year draft rebuild (people will again be upset by this but it's the reality and this is the clubs third draft) you absolutely need star players but you also need to build a list that can compete together, balance as a team and build towards success. With 18 players on the field plus interchange, subs and depth required it's really about winning the war, not just a single battle in building the list.

All this makes sense. I think everyone's fear though is (as you mentioned) that we trade to 2 to take Curtin.
Personally I'd love Reid but if it's McKercher + another 1 or 2 really good prospects I think I'd be happy. Would not be at all happy if its Curtin rather than McKercher though

I think for midfield balance given who we've already got then McKercher makes a lot of sense

 

[archiemoses]

I would happily trade our future first for mckercher

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Matter of when and not if in regards to Nick Reiwoldt and Luke Hodge you would think

Goddard, Cooney (by way of the Brownlow), Murphy and maybe even Deledio would give it a shake too

Can't let this slide.

I'll delete the account of Dark Sharks personally if Marc blinking Murphy ever makes the footy hall of fame.

 

[amazingjoshy]

People know I think Reid is the best prospect in the open draft pool but I really think people are over hyping him in comparison to McKercher.

Reid stepped it up and played well against men but in the juniors McKercher really reigned supreme this year. 31 disposals and almost 1.5 goals a game in the CTL as a junior with his speed, skills and ability to play inside and out is really nothing to sniff at. Morrish medalist from 8 games scoring votes in 7 out of his 8 games and he got injured in one of those (I can't remember if it was the one he failed to poll in). To put that into perspective it is a 13 game season. He is great on transition, runs and carries at speed and his weighted kicking to a man upfield or on a lead is absolutely delightful. Also really knows where the goals are. Only real weaknesses are his relative size at afl level and how almost purely left footed he is.

I think people are really over hyping the drop off from pick 1 to 2. Now if pick 2 is the WCE and it's Curtin I agree just draft Reid and be done with it. However if North come knocking with an offer like the one I suggested that includes pick 2 I would be snapping it up and I think pretty much every other recruiting manager would as well.

Now when I mention pick 14 and just how highly I rate Ollie Murphy. He should still be on the board. Walter, Read, Caddy, Croft, O'sullivan and Curtin at least all likely to be taken before him. Now yes, 3 of those players are club tied but it would be very surprising to see him off the board before live pick 14. He's just a real outright pure key defender. His lack of intercept play will likely see him slide a touch.

Now if you are able to add Archie Roberts off of half back, Zakostelsky as a future CHB and then trade up with the swans for their pick 23 to finish. (someone is going to bid on Cleary just because of how much Sydney pissed on everyone bidding on multiple players only to then trade out said pick to the Hawks last year)

You are adding some real class, run and carry and speed with the two smalls listed, Zakostelsky is the quickest KPP in the land (He's tested quicker than any player we've ever had on the list) and Murphy is a true genuine full back. There are a couple of specific names I can't mention here but I just want to point this out as a viable option for people. Now it's a gamble particularly if Josh Smillie doesn't come through hard as a big ball winning mid next year and Culley doesn't make it but if he does/they do the club will have drafted an exceptionally well balanced midfield, become one of the fastest young teams in the league and will have plenty of run and carry.

Ball winning, speed of ball movement, speed of ball in hand, ability in the air, ground and plenty of aggression. Yes you lose the top rated talent in this draft, but you give the club the ability to take first choice options for the other roles they are looking to fill as opposed to their second or third choice options. I think this draft has plenty of talent and that the talent runs deep particularly in the tall stocks and role playing positions. I'd rather be the recruiter who gets the matching players on my draft board than the one who is speculating and having to cobble together the rest after the first selection.

Now I won't mention this again unless a trade does happen but I want people to really think about and understand over the course of a 5 year draft rebuild (people will again be upset by this but it's the reality and this is the clubs third draft) you absolutely need star players but you also need to build a list that can compete together, balance as a team and build towards success. With 18 players on the field plus interchange, subs and depth required it's really about winning the war, not just a single battle in building the list.

Don't disagree on the overall picture, but isn't there other ways to get those picks or similar if players we like are available?

We have future picks and current picks we can bundle. Trading 1 to get a couple of late teen/early 20 picks feels a waste.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

17 other clubs draft Reid with pick 1 no questions asked, no uncertainty. Why does it seem only us that might still be up in the air about it. Hell the club could market him similar to Nicnat, there will be kids wearing his number just because he's Harley years down the line. He can spend a weekend down at Cott beach and find himself a Perth lady, assuming he doesnt have one already. Perhaps he's a certainty to be drafted by us and we're just thinking too much into it.

BC the Victorian media and footy talking heads can't stand that a non Victorian club will get him.....Especially west coast. They're bitter about it. They've run the narrative all year. They made up the stories. They created the trade scenarios. They pumped up Curtin.

Look no further than the current situation.

North get gifted a suite of picks they'll trade and with mckay compo will likely end up with 2 3 4 19. They're desperate to make those pick count and yet the rhetoric is they should trade that collateral for pick one.

Yet if the situation was reversed and we had those picks and tried to grab pick one by giving up more high end picks the critics in Victoria would come hard. We would be irresponsible. "Why give up all those first rounders for Harley, he's not that good"

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[tigger_ferret]

Hey mods can we ban the next campaigner who says Norf end up with picks 2, 3, 4.

It is 2, 3 (McKay) & 5 ( GC pick 4 pushed back)

It’s like the Vic media the more people say it the more they think it’s real

 

[ArdentEagle]

McKay will either stay or it's band 2.

So North with 2, some teens and early 20's

North are becoming DiCaprio

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

IF ...
a lot of the pre-trade and national draft period talk among rival clubs is to be believed

THEN ...
the Eagles won’t be taking Harley Reid.

Everyone's favourite column back in business.

 

[bzparkes]

17 other clubs draft Reid with pick 1 no questions asked, no uncertainty. Why does it seem only us that might still be up in the air about it.

Because you've gotten sucked into the Vic media narrative and WCE aren't going to announce their intentions 2 months before the draft.

Also, stop believing the copium posted on the North board.

 

[bzparkes]

Everyone's favourite column back in business.

Yeah I'd be listening to Cal Twomey over a bloke who clubs actively avoid talking to.

 

[kranky al]

 

[squashface]

Vic journos after reading that

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

People are overhyping McKercher if you ask me. He stood out bursting out of packs this year. At AFL level he isnt shoving anyone off and he aint bursting out of packs like that. He is too small frame to get away with it in the AFL. He also wont be exceptionally quick in the AFL and will be brought back to the pack pace wise too.

I see Dylan Stephens

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Dylan Stephens

Age

24

Ht

184cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.3

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.7

4star

CL

0.0

1star

D

10.3

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.7

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

10.3

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.7

4star

CL

0.0

1star

in the guy is all ill say.

 

[ArdentEagle]

People are overhyping McKercher if you ask me. He stood out bursting out of packs this year. At AFL level he isnt shoving anyone off and he aint bursting out of packs like that. He is too small frame to get away with it in the AFL. He also wont be exceptionally quick in the AFL and will be brought back to the pack pace wise too.

I see Dylan Stephens in the guy is all ill say.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Its a big call and weird one so do get that people will think that for sure and be passionately against it.

I just really dont rate the guy. So many bits of play I see from him fit into the "He would have been tackled 15 seconds ago at AFL level" or the "At AFL level he isnt doing that" style.

I also fall into the category that even if im wrong and he becomes good, he is 100% going to Tasmania anyway so why bother. He is a bigger flight risk then Reid really