What unpopular AFL opinions do you have? (Part 1 - cont in Part 2)

[Strapping Young Lad]

Tambling was actually pretty good in 2009. Averaged about 22 touches and used it surprisingly well. One of the few highlights in a dark year. In fact the Crows gave up a first round pick for him just a year later.

There have been plenty of worse players than Tambling. I could probably rattle off ~50 inferior Richmond players without even trying. His reputation as a spud comes mainly from his draft position. O'Rourke is a long way off Tambling.

Yeah, nah. He was rubbish.

 

[TigerKnights]

Yeah, nah. He was rubbish.

Yeah he really was. Doh!

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Yeah, nah. He was rubbish.

He was a spud for the most part, but he wasn’t a total spud like JON, Tom Derickx, Jared Sylvester, Relton Roberts, etc.

He was good in 2009, ok in 2008 and a spud for the rest of his career. He was just a stock standard spud though, he was never an Uber spud like some of the other guys I listed.

 

[cherrypie]

Tambling =Bad, yes I agree. But it seems to me it is often overlooked that HFC did not pick Franklin with their first pick. (Roughy) And neither did the Bulldogs (Griffen) who had not had a gun fwd since Simon the Pieman. Clearly their careers panned out as they did. But why are the Dogs never in this conversation?

Griffen turned into a 200+ game, AA, 2× BnF player leading to the trade for Premiership player Tom Boyd. No regrets

 

[Engimal v3]

Players should be assigned a state/territory of origin prior to when they are drafted according to a set of standard published rules based on birth place and years of residence.

If they come from a state with an AFL club (i.e not Tasmania, NT) and play for a club in a different state, then only 85% of their salary should count in the salary cap.

But wouldn't this disadvantage QLD clubs, who don't produce as many players?

 

[TigerKnights]

Griffen turned into a 200+ game, AA, 2× BnF player leading to the trade for Premiership player Tom Boyd. No regrets

I agree no regrets with Lids either. But from my perspective the argument always seems to be Tambling v Buddy which is incorrect.
RFC and HFC and FFC all overlooked till #5.

 

[Luv_our_club]

But wouldn't this disadvantage QLD clubs, who don't produce as many players?

i think you misunderstood. It would mean the complete opposite.

 

[keithrichards]

But wouldn't this disadvantage QLD clubs, who don't produce as many players?

Essentially it would mean Qld clubs could pay 15% more to Vic/Wa/SA players to prevent the ‘go home factor’

 

[timtamWB]

I agree no regrets with Lids either. But from my perspective the argument always seems to be Tambling v Buddy which is incorrect.
RFC and HFC and FFC all overlooked till #5.

It's not that hard to grasp.

Deledio=good pick.
Roughead=good pick.
Griffen=good pick.
Tambling=horrible pick.
Franklin=great pick.

Franklin is definitely the best pick, but the other three are still pretty damn good. Tambling was the horrible pick, so you compare the horrible pick to the great pick when Richmond could have had the great pick.

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[Strapping Young Lad]

Just on Deledio....and fitting with the thread.

I’ve known Brett and his family since he was a boy, and watched him play juniors. He was exceptional.

If he had of gone to a better club who could develop players I believe he’d have been a great of the game, but instead he went to a club that burnt picks and kids over a period of time.

He never reached his potential and I blame Richmond for that.

#unpopularopinion

 

[Engimal v3]

i think you misunderstood. It would mean the complete opposite.

Essentially it would mean Qld clubs could pay 15% more to Vic/Wa/SA players to prevent the ‘go home factor’

Ahh, I see. Not an awful concept at all.

 

[old55]

Essentially it would mean Qld clubs could pay 15% more to Vic/Wa/SA players to prevent the ‘go home factor’

Adelaide to Sloane
Carlton to Petrevski-Seton
Collingwood to Scharenberg
Essendon to Hooker
Fremantle to Neale
Geelong to Duncan
Hawthorn to Burton
Melbourne to Hogan
North to Preuss
Port to Wines
Richmond to Rance
St.Kilda to Dunstan
West Coast to Gaff
Western Bulldogs to Johanissen

 

[Hawk_francais]

I just don't give a toss about the fixture. Why do people care about it? A lot of fans whingeing about 6-day breaks and games in Perth.

Tigers were tipped to finish low on the ladder this year due to a tough fixture in the second half of the year.

 

[keithrichards]

I just don't give a toss about the fixture. Why do people care about it? A lot of fans whingeing about 6-day breaks and games in Perth.

Tigers were tipped to finish low on the ladder this year due to a tough fixture in the second half of the year.

Way too much creedence put into it. Only point re: draw that has any merit is consecutive 6 day breaks, though even then, likely overstated in this day and age

 

[SterlingArcher]

To fit with the thread....

O’Rourke really won’t have to do much in 2018 to be considered better than Tambling.

Well there's no perfect way to compare them but for example raw disposals:
Tambling was pretty poor but consider this - from 2007 to 2010 Tambling averaged 17.5 disposals.
O'Rourke has just had 5 games where's he got more than 17.5 disposals.
Just further, Tamblings best year was an average of 21.5 disposals. O'Rourke has never topped that in a single game.
Tambling also had more goalscoring ability.

O'Rourke will basically have to play a year of his best game ever every round to even get a smidgen above Tambling.

Tambling was bog average but O'Rourke is even worse.

 

[rmcq]

Just on Deledio....and fitting with the thread.

I’ve known Brett and his family since he was a boy, and watched him play juniors. He was exceptional.

If he had of gone to a better club who could develop players I believe he’d have been a great of the game, but instead he went to a club that burnt picks and kids over a period of time.

He never reached his potential and I blame Richmond for that.

#unpopularopinion

No way is Deledio’s situation at all like Jack Watts. Deledio was a great player. All Australian, etc. but if you don’t win a flag, it’s really hard to earn that moniker.

If he has a stellar year next year, he could still be considered a “great”.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Well there's no perfect way to compare them but for example raw disposals:
Tambling was pretty poor but consider this - from 2007 to 2010 Tambling averaged 17.5 disposals.
O'Rourke has just had 5 games where's he got more than 17.5 disposals.
Just further, Tamblings best year was an average of 21.5 disposals. O'Rourke has never topped that in a single game.
Tambling also had more goalscoring ability.

O'Rourke will basically have to play a year of his best game ever every round to even get a smidgen above Tambling.

Tambling was bog average but O'Rourke is even worse.

O’Rourke has been continually injured though, that’s the thing.

 

[Komrade_Tiger]

O’Rourke has been continually injured though, that’s the thing.

Not the first and won't be the last.

Or is it different because he's your player?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Not the first and won't be the last.

Or is it different because he's your player?

It’s the sole reason Tambling has a better average.

He was trax.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

No way is Deledio’s situation at all like Jack Watts. Deledio was a great player. All Australian, etc. but if you don’t win a flag, it’s really hard to earn that moniker.

If he has a stellar year next year, he could still be considered a “great”.

He hasn’t fulfilled his potential, and this is on the back of joining a club that had really poor development of youngsters.

He could’ve been the best player in the comp at another club.

 

[docko911]

2017 was one of the strongest seasons in history.

If it was a weak season it would have been easier for one team to stand out.

- The premiers didn’t make finals
- The runners-up were eliminated in the semi final
- There was half a game between the top 4, and only 1 more game between the top 6.

One more win and 11th could have finished 7th (with percentage). The lowest number of wins was 5.

 

[ThaiTiger]

2017 was one of the strongest seasons in history.

If it was a weak season it would have been easier for one team to stand out.

- The premiers didn’t make finals
- The runners-up were eliminated in the semi final
- There was half a game between the top 4, and only 1 more game between the top 6.

One more win and 11th could have finished 7th (with percentage). The lowest number of wins was 5.

Agreed, Richmond are the greatest.

 

[Forward Press]

Tambling has achieved more than JOR and I cannot even believe we are discussing this.

Sure, JOR could very well become a superstar in the future but at the moment he has done nothing.

Take off the brown and gold glasses for a moment, mate.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Tambling has achieved more than JOR and I cannot even believe we are discussing this.

Sure, JOR could very well become a superstar in the future but at the moment he has done nothing.

Take off the brown and gold glasses for a moment, mate.

You seem to be jumping at shadows. No one is said that O’Rourke has achieved more.

Here it is again for you.
“O’Rourke wouldn’t have to do much to be better than Tambling”.

 

[Grrr]

Just on Deledio....and fitting with the thread.

I’ve known Brett and his family since he was a boy, and watched him play juniors. He was exceptional.

If he had of gone to a better club who could develop players I believe he’d have been a great of the game, but instead he went to a club that burnt picks and kids over a period of time.

He never reached his potential and I blame Richmond for that.

#unpopularopinion

Exactly, Deledio was one of the most gifted footballers I've seen, but he played in a horrible time for Richmond. Tambling too was not as bad as people made him out be. Over 100 games, sure many were gifted, but he was a very good footballer early on and just went backwards. Imagine if both of those had played at Hawthorn instead of Richmond.