What Will Be A Failure?

[Damp Squarie]

If the Crows miss the eight next year.

I think this is unacceptable even considering how young our list will be before kick-off.
Anyone else on my side?
Do those of you acknowedging a tough draw think we are good enough?
No excuses for the new coaches having the need to [bed in].

Thoughts as to yea or neigh

Have a vote.

 

[NSWCROW]

Anything under 11 W / 11 L

 

[Cap]

why the angry face?

anyway - a failure would be to see Taylor Walker, Patrick Dangerfield,Andy Otten, James Sellar and Jared Petrenko not play atleast 12 games each barring injury and potential form.

I would also consider the season a failure if Mackay wasn't first picked in the midfield by seasons end with Douglas not fa behind him. Lastly if anyone above the age of 25 is our goal kicking leader (unless we see someone like Rutten go forward full time or Trent Hentschel play and entire season) and the leading goal kicker kicks less than 50 goals, I will be disappointed.

 

[Vince Van Mackay]

Heh, Adelaide will make the finals for sure, don't even worry about that.

 

[Stiffy_18]

why the angry face?

anyway - a failure would be to see Taylor Walker, Patrick Dangerfield,Andy Otten, James Sellar and Jared Petrenko not play atleast 12 games each barring injury and potential form.

I would also consider the season a failure if Mackay wasn't first picked in the midfield by seasons end with Douglas not fa behind him. Lastly if anyone above the age of 25 is our goal kicking leader (unless we see someone like Rutten go forward full time or Trent Hentschel play and entire season) and the leading goal kicker kicks less than 50 goals, I will be disappointed.

Geez talking about a pie in the sky stuff!

You can't manufacture something that you don't have. Chances are that our leading goal kicker will be someone like Goodwin with 40 odd goals. Thats just the reality.

We have Walker who is a major goal kicker in SANFL level but none of us know how that will translate to an AFL game where the bodies are bigger and hit a lot harder.

Realistically, the leading goal kicker will be a senior player and it will be under 50 goals. You can't get the water out of the stone.

There is reality and then there is fantasy....

 

[Cap]

Geez talking about a pie in the sky stuff!

You can't manufacture something that you don't have. Chances are that our leading goal kicker will be someone like Goodwin with 40 odd goals. Thats just the reality.

We have Walker who is a major goal kicker in SANFL level but none of us know how that will translate to an AFL game where the bodies are bigger and hit a lot harder.

Realistically, the leading goal kicker will be a senior player and it will be under 50 goals. You can't get the water out of the stone.

There is reality and then there is fantasy....

Who is trying to create something out of nothing? Ok 50 goals maybe a little bit of the top I could put 40, shit even WCE managed to have their leading goal kicker kick that in his first season, but if we are meant to be moving forward we can't afford to have Simon Goodwin be our leading Goal kicker for the season.

but since you have the sole rights to reality tell me of our +25 yr olds who is going to kick the goals for us?

No Name Games
23 McLeod, Andrew - dark horse?
9 Edwards, Tyson - no
36 Goodwin, Simon - possibly
24 Burton, Brett - if he wins our goal kicking next year we are stuffed
11 Doughty, Michael - no
12 Shirley, Robert - no
27 Stevens, Scott - possibly if he moves forward
1 Gill, Nick - maybe if fit
18 Johncock, Graham - possibly if moves forward
37 Hentschel, Trent - maybe if fit
5 Thompson, Scott - possibly
44 Bock, Nathan - once again, if he moves forward
25 Rutten, Ben - see above
33 Reilly, Brent - doubtful

I do apologise for hoping we would get someone to stand up for us next season. I'm just going to head back and start reading the lord of the rings books

 

[Cap]

and so all the rest of you fantasy fans

40 Porplyzia, Jason 23yr - yes, probably will
15 Symes, Brad 23yr - no
17 Vince, Bernie 23yr - no
20 Maric, Ivan 22yr - no
6 Griffin, Jonathon 22yr - no
7 Van Berlo, Nathan 22yr - no
21 Knights, Chris 22yr - no
2 Moran, Bradley 22yr - no
26 Douglas, Richard 22yr- maybe, if he kicks straight
4 Tippett, Kurt 21yr - ? yes/no plays as a forward, kicks straight?
14 MacKay, David 20yr - no


here are the under 25s who probably get a chance of playing a lot next season.
This is without thinking about Walker or any other no game rookie.

 

[IddyBiddy]

Geez talking about a pie in the sky stuff!

You can't manufacture something that you don't have. Chances are that our leading goal kicker will be someone like Goodwin with 40 odd goals. Thats just the reality.

We have Walker who is a major goal kicker in SANFL level but none of us know how that will translate to an AFL game where the bodies are bigger and hit a lot harder.

Realistically, the leading goal kicker will be a senior player and it will be under 50 goals. You can't get the water out of the stone.

There is reality and then there is fantasy....

I would not disregard Tippett, but he'll need a good foil. Porps is another capable of leading the goalkicking, but i'd like to see him play in the midfield. With Burton out for the majority of the season, chances are it will be Goody, or one of our up and coming players.

 

[Cap]

I would not disregard Tippett, but he'll need a good foil. Porps is another capable of leading the goalkicking, but i'd like to see him play in the midfield. With Burton out for the majority of the season, chances are it will be Goody, or one of our up and coming players.

no thats pure fantasy stuff

 

[Stiffy_18]

no thats pure fantasy stuff

Oh, look who once again throw a skirt over his head and gets all precious!

Let be realistic here. From the young players we cannot expect them to be leading goal kickers and to make the finals. Its just highly unlikely to happen. I love the fact you brought WC into this but then predictably left out that their leading goal kicker has already been playing WAFL for a couple of years before making his debut. Then you also conviniently ignore that WC finished bottom 2. Do we we want to finish bottom 4 but have these kids playing major roles throughout the side?!

Once again, our goal kicking will be spread between a number of players because we don't have a superstat key forward. Its the only way to kick a winning score until we actually get one. Maybe Tippett and Walker come in and take the AFL by storm and announce themselves as the superstars of the competition...maybe!

What exactly is wrong with bringing these kids along and let them learn from the old boys and develop on the field under the guidance of veterns?! Thats actually how great clubs do it! I've got no problem with one of the oldies leading our goalkicking as long as the young kids are getting games around them.

This year everyone was screaming how we should leave Tippett at FF and don't bother playing him in the ruck, make him the go to man and he will rise....except he didn't rise, all that happened is the kid that was fighting out of his depth for most of the second half of the year, the kid whose confidence suffered to the point where he was sent back to West Adelaide for a couple of games.

Tippett showed glimpses of what he is capable of doing but people love to jump up and down and announce them as the next big thing and want to throw all the responsibility their way.

Fact is that Goodwin, Poprlyzia, Thompson and Hentschel are still our best avenue to goals and if we are to progress and go somewhere, it will be on the back of these guys having a good season. Anything we get from young kids like Tippett and Walker is a bonus. I expect Tippett to have much better season in 2009 than he did in 2008. I also expect Walker to show glimpses of what he is capable off in 2009 at AFL level. But what I don't expect of them, and what I can't realistically expect them to do is to carry our scoring loads and become leading goal kickers for us.

Sorry to burst your bubble but them is the breaks

 

[Damp Squarie]

Heh, Adelaide will make the finals for sure, don't even worry about that.

Im not so sure. Its not that we havent improved more than some other teams. eg I can see Carlton forcing its way in and Port as well that means 2 drop out.

 

[Cap]

Oh, look who once again throw a skirt over his head and gets all precious!

no not getting precious

Fact is that Goodwin, Poprlyzia, Thompson and Hentschel [/B

Sorry to burst your bubble but them is the breaks

if you read my post, Porps is under 25, I mentioned Hentschel if he played.

The Post wasn't titled - who do you think will be the Crows Leading goal kicker, it was what will disappoint me.

now yes, clearly a player like Goodwin may win it, but that doesn't mean I am not able to be disappointed with that.

I'm not being precious what I am is getting annoyed at posters who try and make one thing out of another.

My opinion on what will be a failure is completely different to what my expectations are

 

[Damp Squarie]

Fact is that Goodwin, Poprlyzia, Thompson and Hentschel are still our best avenue to goals

Beware The Gill Monster.
Gets his body right and anythings possible I 'spose.
Edwards must play out of the forward pocket early in the season -thats what I would do. Let those cutting their teeth in there like Danger and McKay have a good crack early.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Beware The Gill Monster.
Gets his body right and anythings possible I 'spose.
Edwards must play out of the forward pocket early in the season -thats what I would do. Let those cutting their teeth in there like Danger and McKay have a good crack early.

For as long as his backise points to the ground, Nick Gill will not be leading any legit AFL team in goal kicking. If he is in our top 5 goalkicker then we truly are up a shit creek without a canoe!

If Hentschel can back to anything resembling himself prior to blowing his knee, he makes the team in front of Gill all day, every day!

 

[Cap]

Beware The Gill Monster.
Gets his body right and anythings possible I 'spose.
Edwards must play out of the forward pocket early in the season -thats what I would do. Let those cutting their teeth in there like Danger and McKay have a good crack early.

Gill is going to be interesting one isn't it, He or Trent are going to be delisted come year end you would think. The battle will be interesting

 

[Sanguinarius]

We have Walker who is a major goal kicker in SANFL level but none of us know how that will translate to an AFL game where the bodies are bigger and hit a lot harder.

not to be argumentative BUT

the same thing was said about his jump from country NSW amateurs to SANFL

 

[dplggr47]

not to be argumentative BUT

the same thing was said about his jump from country NSW amateurs to SANFL

well, hopefully Tippett can play more up forward...because he'll probably be getting the number 1 defenders, leaving Walker with the number 2 defenders...or 3 (if Porpz is up forward or Hentschel).

 

[Stiffy_18]

not to be argumentative BUT

the same thing was said about his jump from country NSW amateurs to SANFL

And thats a VERY valid point. This kid has stepped up through every grade of footy with relative ease and has been a major goal kicker at every grade of footy he has played in his life so far. That is a MASSIVE positive he has to his name.

There is nothing to say that he can't come in and kick his 40-50 goals and be the go to player for us. He could very well be the one of the youngsters who takes the competition by storm.

I just think, despite his brilliant track record, its asking a bit too much of the kid to be a leading goal kicker for us in 2009. If he comes out and kicks 50 next year, I think that would surpass everyone's expectations of him. I think Taylor himself would be pleasantly surprised. He is a kid with great potential but it will take a bit of time. Probably less time than any other of our forward prospects but it would still need a bit of time.

 

[Punchy Bassett]

And thats a VERY valid point. This kid has stepped up through every grade of footy with relative ease and has been a major goal kicker at every grade of footy he has played in his life so far. That is a MASSIVE positive he has to his name.

There is nothing to say that he can't come in and kick his 40-50 goals and be the go to player for us. He could very well be the one of the youngsters who takes the competition by storm.

I just think, despite his brilliant track record, its asking a bit too much of the kid to be a leading goal kicker for us in 2009. If he comes out and kicks 50 next year, I think that would surpass everyone's expectations of him. I think Taylor himself would be pleasantly surprised. He is a kid with great potential but it will take a bit of time. Probably less time than any other of our forward prospects but it would still need a bit of time.

One thing I have loved about Walker's game this year and it happened more and more as the season went on is when opposition players attempted the rough tactics on him he never lost focus on his game, in fact if anything it just made him more determined to bang the goals in as if to say yep keep trying that crap and I'll just keep kicking goals.

 

[Stiffy_18]

One thing I have loved about Walker's game this year and it happened more and more as the season went on is when opposition players attempted the rough tactics on him he never lost focus on his game, in fact if anything it just made him more determined to bang the goals in as if to say yep keep trying that crap and I'll just keep kicking goals.

And thats a sign of a really good player. The kid has the right attitude and talent mix to be a very very good player. It just might take a bit of time. Not as long as our other prospects because its his bread and butter, but he will need some time to settle.

 

[wixism]

Anyone intersted in being adelaides coach in my draft game
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check it out
all players from the last 3 years will be in the draft
who will be number 1 watts palmer gibbs murphey thomas ?

 

[adelaide_40]

IMO a failure for the crows will be not making the finals, Carlton, port, W.C, Richmond, Essendon, are teams off the top of my head that will be pushing for finals spots which will be around where we are but I think we can still and should be able to match it with them.

 

[cmndstab]

The Crows should make the finals (will probably only be making up the numbers, mind you) but I think it's a bit short-sighted to say it's a failure if they don't and a success if they do.

Personally I'd consider the year relatively successful if our youngsters start/continue to take that next step. Even if our more mature players start/continue to fall away, which would probably lead to us missing out on the finals, if Walker/Dangerfield/Petrenko/etc can start to come in and play some decent games, and the currently-playing youngsters like Mackay/Vince/Douglas/etc can become our core group, that would be a successful year in my books.

 

[Vince Van Mackay]

I'll make this statement right now.

The Adelaide Football club will make the 2009 AFL finals series and do damage in the finals series (barring horrific injury run to senior players)

The Adelaide Football club in the eyes of the keen observer have been improving the last two years, in the eyes of the average (Non Crow supporting Victorian) idiot on Bigfooty Adelaide have been declining and will experience a big fall. Well they're wrong, the fall has already happened, it was called 2007. Adelaide improved on 2007 despite losing a chunk of senior players, Adelaide will continue to improve on 2008 despite losing senior players.

The keen observer would also notice that the Adelaide Football club are well aware that they are improving at a good rate, but like all great people and organisations they do not need to advertise this fact to make up for their short comings. (See Carlton's "They know we're coming" BS).

As I said, the Adelaide Football club is improving, improving fast, and it has one thing that these other clubs like Carlton, Essendon and Richmond don't have, Senior players. So, the Adelaide Football club will not only make finals in 2009, they will win finals in 2009.

The consistent performers will perform such is their quality, the young players will improve, the new talented blood will be blooded, and the returning Forward Trent Hentschel will have more of an impact than people realise whether as a forward of defence player, not soley off his own boot but by his presence that he will having playing at either end, taking a defender or forward and freeing another player to play on a lesser defender/forward. Guys like Gill, Tippet, Walker, and maybe even Sellar will have an easier time of it, the only way it could be better is if Burton was fit from round 1.

Honestly, barring horrific injuries, Adelaide are shaping up to having a good year in 2009 and they know it full well.

 

[dplggr47]

I'll make this statement right now.

The Adelaide Football club will make the 2009 AFL finals series and do damage in the finals series (barring horrific injury run to senior players)

The Adelaide Football club in the eyes of the keen observer have been improving the last two years, in the eyes of the average (Non Crow supporting Victorian) idiot on Bigfooty Adelaide have been declining and will experience a big fall. Well they're wrong, the fall has already happened, it was called 2007. Adelaide improved on 2007 despite losing a chunk of senior players, Adelaide will continue to improve on 2008 despite losing senior players.

The keen observer would also notice that the Adelaide Football club are well aware that they are improving at a good rate, but like all great people and organisations they do not need to advertise this fact to make up for their short comings. (See Carlton's "They know we're coming" BS).

As I said, the Adelaide Football club is improving, improving fast, and it has one thing that these other clubs like Carlton, Essendon and Richmond don't have, Senior players. So, the Adelaide Football club will not only make finals in 2009, they will win finals in 2009.

The consistent performers will perform such is their quality, the young players will improve, the new talented blood will be blooded, and the returning Forward Trent Hentschel will have more of an impact than people realise whether as a forward of defence player, not soley off his own boot but by his presence that he will having playing at either end, taking a defender or forward and freeing another player to play on a lesser defender/forward. Guys like Gill, Tippet, Walker, and maybe even Sellar will have an easier time of it, the only way it could be better is if Burton was fit from round 1.

Honestly, barring horrific injuries, Adelaide are shaping up to having a good year in 2009 and they know it full well.

haha, yes, we know Carlton are coming; with their no.1 picks, Judd and all that money luring players over...you'd think they'd be coming sooner.

Crows fell off in 2007 and 2008 (our good draw makes it look better)...both years barely made the 8...non-crow Victorians and co expected the Crows to not make the 8 in those years...and will probably expect them to finish outside the 8 again next year
...i think because of the tough draw, the expected continuing decline due to club changeover and because teams like Carlton, Richmond and probably Brisbane (and i'm sure Port aren't too far behind either) are on the rise again.

...didn't realise Carlton didn't have senior players...Essendon also lack senior players (esp when their guns are injured - Lucas/Lloyd)... Richmond...well, they have Richo (he can only carry them as far as 9th...their younger brigade need to step up for Richmond to make the 8).

i'm sure the Crows will remain competitive despite blooding lots more debutants next season and possibly still make the 8. it will not come to a surprise to most Crows fans if this happens, but i bet everyone else will be shocked....it's like they keep waiting for the Crows to have their decline period...and then all of a sudden, the Crows will be up in the mix again.

honestly, i just want to see the new players get games, the younger group improve, and the mid-aged players holding strong.
i'd love to see Sellar improve and play regular seniors, and even get some games at AFL level...hopefully Reilly can remain injury free, and i cannot wait for the return of Hentschel. it's been so long since we've seen him play with the Crows. his presence will certainly be uplifting.