What?

[conVINCEd]

According to afl.com.au, we are only using our first three picks.

http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=176491

If this is true, and I can only assume it is, as today was the day all lists had to be finalised, then I am mighty ********ed off.

When will the club accept we have to rebuild, and the only way to do this is to get young players onto the list?

To only use three picks in a draft where our fourth pick was #40, where there would still be very talented players available, is absolutely ********ing ridiculous.

Can anyone shed any light on this?

 

[- PC -]

According to afl.com.au, we are only using our first three picks.

http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=176491

If this is true, and I can only assume it is, as today was the day all lists had to be finalised, then I am mighty ********ed off.

When will the club accept we have to rebuild, and the only way to do this is to get young players onto the list?

To only use three picks in a draft where our fourth pick was #40, where there would still be very talented players available, is absolutely ********ing ridiculous.

Can anyone shed any light on this?

Wow

The draft order
As at October 19
Adelaide: 8, 24, 28
Brisbane Lions: 18, 27, 43, 48
Carlton: 9, 25, 39 (L.Blackwell F/S), 66, 69, 70
Collingwood: 10, 23, 38 (T.Cloke F/S), 52
Essendon: 14, 30, 44, 56
Fremantle: 55, 61, 63, 68
Geelong: 32, 46 (N.Ablett F/S), 58
Hawthorn: 2, 5, 7, 21, 26, 50
Kangaroos: 40 (J.W.Smith F/S), 54, 62, 67
Melbourne: 13, 15, 41
Port Adelaide: 11, 19, 34
Richmond: 1, 4, 12, 16, 20, 35, 49, 60, 65


There has to be something wrong here. I can only think that either a mistake has been made or with Knobel/Blake that Adelaide feel they will have 2 picks at the PSD

I will sit back and wait more news

 

[macca23]

There has to be something wrong here. I can only think that either a mistake has been made or with Knobel/Blake that Adelaide feel they will have 2 picks at the PSD

I will sit back and wait more news

I think the problem is the promotion of that red-headed dud, Smith. Instead of having 5 picks, we only have 4, and it appears that they must have their eye on somebody in the PSD by choosing not to use the 4th pick, #40, in the national draft.

Looks like they've worked on the theory that Stevo will hold up, otherwise his spot was going to be used in the PSD.

There will still be good kids available at 40. That dud Smith had better justify his elevation next year.

 

[conVINCEd]

Guys like Juniper and Moran, who whilst risky, could be stars, will still be there at #40. Such a waste.

Can't we have 40 players on our list?

Man, I am really hating Skipworth, Ladhams et al right now.

We better have a something special for our PSD.

I'd rather Juniper/Moran than Ackland.

 

[theorangeapple]

ok this might not be my place, but i thought those picks are what are assigned to a club in order to reach the max number of players on your list. therefore u guys only have 3 spots on your list available. i dont think clubs have specifically said, we will only use these picks, the afl has just taken the first 3 picks because thats the amount of space on your list. if u had 4 spots vacant than u would have pick 40 aswell.

this also means u dont have a PSD pick either. from what i understand, PSD eventuate from clubs passing on their alloted national draft selections. ie richmond have 9 national picks. they will use all but one of them in order to have space to use in the PSD.

 

[tinman]

According to afl.com.au, we are only using our first three picks.

http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=176491

If this is true, and I can only assume it is, as today was the day all lists had to be finalised, then I am mighty ********ed off.

When will the club accept we have to rebuild, and the only way to do this is to get young players onto the list?

To only use three picks in a draft where our fourth pick was #40, where there would still be very talented players available, is absolutely ********ing ridiculous.

Can anyone shed any light on this?

The club is obviously looking at taking three players in the national draft and two players in the PSD.

Maybe the club is thinking they pick up an un-contracted player in the PSD plus maybe someone from the SANFL or overlooked in the national draft?

By the time you get into low picks with the national draft, you may as well get a few of the unselected guys to train with you, and maybe some talent from the SANFL, and select the best of what's there. I don't think that's a bad idea at all.

I think if you can read anything into it, it looks like Stevo will remain on the list. The only other explanation is that we will go one short on the list again for salary cap purposes, but that would be a surprise as I think we should be looking OK there. Maybe the club is looking at picking up one of the higher priced recruits in the PSD like Notting? If so , why would they advertise that to all and sundry?

Anyway, call me a mug, but I trust what they are doing.

Carn the mighty Crows.

 

[Mego Red]

The club is obviously looking at taking three players in the national draft and two players in the PSD.

Maybe the club is thinking they pick up an un-contracted player in the PSD plus maybe someone from the SANFL or overlooked in the national draft?

By the time you get into low picks with the national draft,

Most years, 40 would be near our FIRST pick, so calling it a late pick is a bit rich ...

 

[tinman]

Most years, 40 would be near our FIRST pick, so calling it a late pick is a bit rich ...

Fair call, but only because we've traded picks away. I'm not adverse to the idea of getting a few guys tryng out for a spot on the list. We have picked up some great players from the PSD in the past (Vardy, Edwards, Goodwin, Hentschel just off the top of my head).

So if we do the same again, plus have an uncontracted player in mind, then we can strengthen our list.

I was disappointed that we passed in the PSD last year. It has been a happy hunting ground for us in the past.

 

[Asgardian]

You guys can still delist players, like Port, there is another deadline, approx 14th Nov.

Why?

I dunno, one of the AFL's hidden mysteries

 

[tinman]

You guys can still delist players, like Port, there is another deadline, approx 14th Nov.

Why?

I dunno, one of the AFL's hidden mysteries

I think it's called contracts.........

 

[WaynesWorld19]

The club is obviously looking at taking three players in the national draft and two players in the PSD.

Maybe the club is thinking they pick up an un-contracted player in the PSD plus maybe someone from the SANFL or overlooked in the national draft?

By the time you get into low picks with the national draft, you may as well get a few of the unselected guys to train with you, and maybe some talent from the SANFL, and select the best of what's there. I don't think that's a bad idea at all.

Wrong!

Can only enter the PS draft if you have vacancies on the list after taking your full draft allocations OR you PASS on some draft selections reserving them for the PSD.

Think Stiffy's thoughts earlier was that we would put Roo and Hart on the veterans list thus freeing up an additional 2 draft selections, but reducing our rookie list numbers.

Are we now not doing this to maintain current TPP and free up next season by using the veterans list?

To me it does not make any sense whatsover not to at least use pick 40

 

[WaynesWorld19]

You guys can still delist players, like Port, there is another deadline, approx 14th Nov.

Why?

I dunno, one of the AFL's hidden mysteries

Think thats the deadline for Stevens.
But the club has declared its hand and stated that no more delistings other than Stevens retirement would be done.

When is the final decision on veterans lists?

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Guys like Juniper and Moran, who whilst risky, could be stars, will still be there at #40. Such a waste.

Would the guys you have mentioned be any more of risk than Smith. I agree with Mad Dog, he looks like a bit of a receiver to me, and a soft one at that.

 

[PAfolwr]

My understanding is that every club must have a minimum of 3 picks.
wrt the PSD, theorangeapple and Wayne's-World covered what the requirements are.
However there is still quite a way to go before lists are finalised.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

What is the maximum number of players you can have on your list, I thought it was 40?? If that's the case, then we currently have 35 players listed leaving 4 picks for the draft and 1 pick for the pre-season??

 

[mymansyd]

My first reaction upon seeing the fact that we are only using 3 picks at the National Draft was one of GREAT ANNOYANCE!

However, after I calmed down, it's obvious the club has its reasons.

For whatever reason, probably salary-cap related, we will only go in with 39 players next year instead of the maximum 40 (Currently 35 + 3 National Draft Picks + 1 Pre-Season Draft Pick).

Keep in mind, that if Mark Stevens pulls the plug by the next List Lodgement (November 12), then we can reclaim our pick 40. If Stevens does stay on our list, then we still have the option of deisting another player to reclaim that pick 40. I don't think we will do that, but the option is still there. Remember, these draft selections are provisionary. The National Draft Order will be finalised after the next List Lodgement on November 12.

Anyone, please correct me. I'm often wronggggg!

Due to contract restraints + added to the possible belief that this may be a weak draft, the club has unfortunately opted to hold onto all those fringe players that under normal circumstances would have been shown the door by now (Shirley, Ladhams, Bock, etc, etc). Interestingly, our lack of player movements means that our squad is currently the 2nd oldest in the AFL, instead of the oldest as it was at the beginning of this season. Hardly a sign that we are in a rebuilding process.

The club's major rebuilding process which most of us believe should have started this year, now looks likely to commence at the end of next season. I find this disappointing, but am convinced the club really couldn't do anything about it. Neil Craig has clearly stated he wants more youth at the club, and is probably just as frustrated.

 

[- PC -]

Interestingly, our lack of player movements means that our squad is currently the 2nd oldest in the AFL, instead of the oldest as it was at the beginning of this season. Hardly a sign that we are in a rebuilding process.

The club's major rebuilding process which most of us believe should have started this year, now looks likely to commence at the end of next season. I find this disappointing, but am convinced the club really couldn't do anything about it. Neil Craig has clearly stated he wants more youth at the club, and is probably just as frustrated.

Yes you either rebuild straight away or you BELIEVE the players you currently have , have room for more development. e.g the kids you have will be better and more knowledgable of the Adelaide system then the ones you would pick up.

While I am here let me state that I DO believe the people on our list are ok..not great...but some have more potential that I felt was stifled under Ayres so I will allow 1 year under NC to get those players to improve or be on the move.

 

[PAfolwr]

What is the maximum number of players you can have on your list, I thought it was 40?? If that's the case, then we currently have 35 players listed leaving 4 picks for the draft and 1 pick for the pre-season??

I got this from the Carlton site.

The important Trade and Draft Dates
8:41:25 AM Fri 24 September, 2004
Key Dates
carltonfc.com.au
National AFL Draft Selection- - Saturday November 20th


AFL Pre-Season and Rookie Draft- - Tuesday December 14th



Other important dates in relation to the playing lists for 2005:

List Lodgement (1) - - Friday October 29th


Maximum 35 players

Rookie Promotions

Father/Son drafts

Second Year Rookies

Draft Nominations Close - - Wednesday November 10th

List Lodgement (2) - - Friday November 12th

Delisted Players Nomination - - Wednesday November 17th

Uncontracted Listed Players Nominations Close- - Tuesday November 30th

List Lodgement (3) - - Friday December 3rd

International Rookie player nominations

Delisted Players Nominations Close - Friday December 10th

wrt list size I am now a bit confused, but I think it now goes something like:
38 players on list proper,
Rookies plus veterans are now counted as a combined unit, total maximum of 8?
There is also a minimum number of players now that has gone up from in the past.

 

[beagle2]

I got this from the Carlton site.

The important Trade and Draft Dates
8:41:25 AM Fri 24 September, 2004
Key Dates
carltonfc.com.au
National AFL Draft Selection- - Saturday November 20th


AFL Pre-Season and Rookie Draft- - Tuesday December 14th



Other important dates in relation to the playing lists for 2005:

List Lodgement (1) - - Friday October 29th


Maximum 35 players

Rookie Promotions

Father/Son drafts

Second Year Rookies

Draft Nominations Close - - Wednesday November 10th

List Lodgement (2) - - Friday November 12th

Delisted Players Nomination - - Wednesday November 17th

Uncontracted Listed Players Nominations Close- - Tuesday November 30th

List Lodgement (3) - - Friday December 3rd

International Rookie player nominations

Delisted Players Nominations Close - Friday December 10th

wrt list size I am now a bit confused, but I think it now goes something like:
38 players on list proper,

There is also a minimum number of players now that has gone up from in the past.

Six

 

[beagle2]

Three picks will provide a maximum of one good player at normal strike rate for drafting,.It wll be a very long rebuilding period

 

[macca23]

I'm not sure what the AFC are up to.

I think the rules state that each club can have a maximum of 38 players on it's main list, and a combination of up to 6 veterans and rookies on the supplementary list (I think that was a max of 2 vets last year)

In 2004 we had one veteran on the Supplementary list - Nigel Smart - and 5 rookies. Nigel didn't count as one of the 38 players on the main list.

On the main list, we had 37 players. That included Ben Hart, who was nominated as a veteran for salary cap purposes, but still included on the main list (the rules allow this). I'm not sure why we did this as we effectively had 2 vacancies on our list, because if Hart had been transferred to the Supplementary list as a veteran, we could have drafted another youngster.

Anyhow, when Nigel retired, that didn't affect our main list numbers. We still had 37 on the list including Ben Hart.

Take off Carey and Burns retired, and Gallagher delisted, and the number on the main list went back to 34. BUT, then we added that dud Smith, and the number went back up to 35.

This year, all teams must have the full 38 on the main list, which means that we only have the 3 vacancies if Mark Stevens remains on the list.

All of the above assumes that we have no-one as a veteran on the supplementary list. If that is in fact the case, it raises the following questions:

Why hasn't the club transferred Hart onto the veterans list and opened up another spot on the main list??

Why hasn't the club transferred Ricciuto onto the veterans list and opened up another spot on the main list - or isn't he eligible??

Why didn't they leave that dud Smith on the rookie list for another year so that once again there would be another spot on the main list?

Given that there were mechanisms available to the club, and they have a stated youth policy, I'm totally confused.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

I'm not sure what the AFC are up to.

I think the rules state that each club can have a maximum of 38 players on it's main list, and a combination of up to 6 veterans and rookies on the supplementary list (I think that was a max of 2 vets last year)

In 2004 we had one veteran on the Supplementary list - Nigel Smart - and 5 rookies. Nigel didn't count as one of the 38 players on the main list.

On the main list, we had 37 players. That included Ben Hart, who was nominated as a veteran for salary cap purposes, but still included on the main list (the rules allow this). I'm not sure why we did this as we effectively had 2 vacancies on our list, because if Hart had been transferred to the Supplementary list as a veteran, we could have drafted another youngster.

Anyhow, when Nigel retired, that didn't affect our main list numbers. We still had 37 on the list including Ben Hart.

Take off Carey and Burns retired, and Gallagher delisted, and the number on the main list went back to 34. BUT, then we added that dud Smith, and the number went back up to 35.

This year, all teams must have the full 38 on the main list, which means that we only have the 3 vacancies if Mark Stevens remains on the list.

All of the above assumes that we have no-one as a veteran on the supplementary list. If that is in fact the case, it raises the following questions:

Why hasn't the club transferred Hart onto the veterans list and opened up another spot on the main list??

Why hasn't the club transferred Ricciuto onto the veterans list and opened up another spot on the main list - or isn't he eligible??

Why didn't they leave that dud Smith on the rookie list for another year so that once again there would be another spot on the main list?

Given that there were mechanisms available to the club, and they have a stated youth policy, I'm totally confused.

I will be disappointed if we only bring in 3 kids this year. It would also contradict Craigies youth policy. If Adelaide is going to bring in only 3 kids, then i'm hoping they have an ace up their sleeve as far as the rookie draft goes.

 

[crazy_big_al]

But when u put someone on vet list u will be able to take next pick same with power

 

[WaynesWorld19]

My first reaction upon seeing the fact that we are only using 3 picks at the National Draft was one of GREAT ANNOYANCE!

However, after I calmed down, it's obvious the club has its reasons.

For whatever reason, probably salary-cap related, we will only go in with 39 players next year instead of the maximum 40 (Currently 35 + 3 National Draft Picks + 1 Pre-Season Draft Pick).

Need to correct you Mymansyd, you do not get a pre-season draft pick at all if your list size is at maximum after the draft.

3 picks takes our current list to maximum - therefore no PS draft pick.
If Stevens retires yes that gives us pick 40 again but if we pass on #40 we can fill that spare spot in the PS draft (pick 5).

Why we apparently are short of draft picks is because we haven't transferred anyone to the veterans list.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Yes you either rebuild straight away or you BELIEVE the players you currently have , have room for more development. e.g the kids you have will be better and more knowledgable of the Adelaide system then the ones you would pick up.

While I am here let me state that I DO believe the people on our list are ok..not great...but some have more potential that I felt was stifled under Ayres so I will allow 1 year under NC to get those players to improve or be on the move.

IMO Neil Craig is going to make a HUGE mistake.

He is obviously of the opinion he can turn a sows ear into a silk purse with the current player list.

How many coaches have failed in the past with that egotistical belief.