When to redevelop AAMI?

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Just a few comments

I think the reason Footy Pk isnt filled has to do with Cat 1 ? members who go to both games Port and Crows. It seems to me that some go mainly to port and some mainly to Crows.

The other issue is ''general public'' tickets. How many casual fans struggle to get entry yet still see those empty seats?

If you increase the seating who will get the major allocation? Members , corporate or general public?

The SANFL own FP outright so any costs would have to bb begged borrowed or stolen from the State Gov. But if the SANFL were willing to go out on a limb just a quick analysis sees it can be done

10,000 new seats @ $220 a seat per year =$2,2Million a year x 10 years = $22million .

Or

5,000 seats at $220 a year = $11Million a decade

5,000 seats at $30 a seat x 22 = $3.3Million a year or $33 million a decade
which is $44Million a decade

Plus associated catering revenue , parking etc etc.

I am sure someone with a better grasp of finances will point out my errors.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Of course it far fetched, its South Australia after all we don’t have foresight to investigate things like this.

It’s why we didn’t get the commonwealth game in 1998 (we lost to Kuala Lumpur) and we lost the Grand Prix and other events because we take a back seat and don’t show a spine.

In our defense, a city of just over 1 million doesn't stand a chance aginst a city of just over 7 mill.

 

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Just a few comments

I think the reason Footy Pk isnt filled has to do with Cat 1 ? members who go to both games Port and Crows. It seems to me that some go mainly to port and some mainly to Crows.

The other issue is ''general public'' tickets. How many casual fans struggle to get entry yet still see those empty seats?

I reckon get rid of at least one bay thats for the members and let that be general public or whatever.

 

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We do not have a capacity of 54,000, it is 51,515.
Sources:
http://www.austadiums.com/stadiums/stadiums.php?id=1
http://www.sanfl.com.au/default.aspx?s=genericnewsdisplay&kw=63&aid=104028

As you said the tickets released to the public get sold out each week, theres not much that can be done about the ticket holders. In an ideal world ticket holders could sell their tickets back for a certain week,but apparently its very complicated to implement such a system. I am sure if they increased the capacity the average crowd rate would rise, due to the fact we have a waiting list. A couple thousand would still miss every week though. I would be interested how big the waiting list is and if it increasing every year. This could decide if increased seating could be possible upgrade in the future.

I believe that the waiting list hovers around the 5k mark. This obviously isnt a true reflection of how many extra people would actually purchase tickets if they were available.

I think if the capacity was increased 70k would be enough. I believe we could easily have 55k+ members (we are nearly at 50k as it is) and have about 15k matchday tickets available.

The thing that really sucks is that people just cant turn up to a crows game if they feel like going, like they can in Melbourne. I just hope that we apply for the Commonwealth Games that way Football Park will get extended to 85k due to that.

The major problem is always the dinosaurs that run the SANFL. Whicker and Basheer are stuck in the 80s.

 

[drakeyv2]

I've said it before & I will say it again.

We arn't big enough to support both Adelaide Oval & Footy Park & keep both at an acceptable standard.

Idealy Adelaide Oval would be upgraded (read torn down & rebuilt) as a state of the art 60-70,000 seater & be used for footy, cricket & any other major sport.

Footy Park would be sold off for housing.

Wont happen but it should.

 

[PrideOf]

Agree with most about upgrading facilities.

But if there was going to be $235 million spent on Footy Park, I'd want them to put the train line in or even underground car parking.

 

[Leaping Lindner]

I've said it before & I will say it again.

We arn't big enough to support both Adelaide Oval & Footy Park & keep both at an acceptable standard.

Idealy Adelaide Oval would be upgraded (read torn down & rebuilt) as a state of the art 60-70,000 seater & be used for footy, cricket & any other major sport.

Footy Park would be sold off for housing.

Wont happen but it should.

It won't happen because the next time the SACA have a tantrum about something or other the SANFL will be screwed. It was why Footy Park was built in the first place.

 

[MJ101]

Agree with all that say ammenities upgrade is the most important thing rather than capacity.

Lets face it, the food is crap and the lines for everything are awful. I remember reading an article in the advertiser a while back now discussing the issue regarding public transport and AAMI stadium. What was basically said is that Yankee stadium was built a long time before any of the subway system existed. They were able to develop around what existed to get in and clear out huge masses of people within half an hour. Perhaps this should be looked at.

I think the general facility we have there is not to bad. Potentially increasing the appeal is the way to go. Eg catering, transport to and from, parking, visual appeal etc. Ripping it down and starting again would definatley not occur with the government the way it is and those in charge of the SANFL etc.

I get the feeling the government would be more likely to thro money at Adelaide oval rather than footy park at the moment due to its location and history. It may also appeal top the government for Adelaide United to eventually (5-10yrs) move to adelaide oval rather than upgrade hindmarsh (again) leaqving footy park further back down the list.

Complex, annoying issue isn't it?

 

[Mad Dog]

only way you will get a commitment for State Govt funding is during an election year......and without that it wont happen........business knows that the current capacity is about what the market is demanding atm

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Getting back to SA to watch 2 to 4 games a year, I’d say that the facilities need a decent upgrade. I think Footy Park is a good place to watch footy and the facilities/service is on par with the SCG, but are way behind the newer stadiums like the Olympic Stadium, MCG, Docklands and the Gabba. The problem is that the return on investment in new facilities will be minimal, so the SANFL will probably baulk at this.

Over the last 15 years, the cost of a major redevelopment or building a new stadium in Australia varies between $2k and $8k per seat. So an increase of 20,000 seats could cost around $50m if done on the cheap, but likely to be around $100+m.

Perth has about 400k more people than Adelaide so it makes sense that they have at least one 50+k stadium. Brisbane has around 600k more people than Adelaide and Lang Park is only 55k.

If the SANFL and/or Crows want a 70k stadium and want the government to pay for it, then they should spend a couple of million dollars and recruit the best people from SOCOG + AOC + Melb 2006 and make a successful bid to win the 2018 or 2022 Commonwealth Games. That’s the only way I can see the government, both federal and state, lending/donating the money to develop the ground to 70k combined with major improvements in the facilities.

 

[drakeyv2]

It won't happen because the next time the SACA have a tantrum about something or other the SANFL will be screwed. It was why Footy Park was built in the first place.

That's why the SACA have to be turfed out.

The fact is it would only happen if both SACA & SANFL were removed from the decision making process.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

In our defense, a city of just over 1 million doesn't stand a chance aginst a city of just over 7 mill.

The bid failed more because of politics than population. The only other Comm Games before 1998 held in the developing world was in Jamacia in 1966. The Games had to be held somewhere else other than Canada, UK, NZ or Oz, to maintain it's relevance. The 1994 Games were held in Victoria, Canada, which has a pop of about 300k. The front runners for 2014 are Halifax and Edinburgh which both have a pop of less than 500k.

 

[raikkonen]

I agree with what someone else has said on here, by building a totally new stadium. Ideal location would be out North near the Velodrome, and the state Hockey centre, give us a sort of Homebush theme. Such a proposal would certainly be beneficial to any bid for Commonwealth games action.

There is no doubt as to whether or not AFC could seel more tickets to their games. 60,000 could be sold each match one would feel. The thing holding us back is the fact PAFC do not pull the big crowds that would warrant it from their position.

 

[ajbau]

why cant they just upgrade the entire ground ike the northern stand but extending it all around the ground?