When will the Carlton FC Arrive?

[Chief]

Part 2 of this thread is here:

When will the Carlton FC Arrive? Part 2

PART 1 of this thread is here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/when-will-the-carlton-fc-arrive.1259822/ ============= We're all thinking it. We're watching this story play out for the 4th time in the last 20 years and it's the same story every time. They have a great list of exciting...

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[Ambrosia]

Something a lot of footy fans (Carlton supporters especially) may not have looked at.


What do the following players all have in common :

Luke Parks
Eddie Betts
Mathew Cottrell
Mathew Owies
Adam Saad
Josh Honey
Levi Casboult
Michael Gibbons
Ed Curnow
Nic Newman
Zac Williams

Rookie list

 

[Jesse Custer]

The Carlton - Essendon arguments over the last few pages are very, very different to when I was a kid.

We are both big clubs that have gone backwards and/or treaded water with moments of good footy over the last 15 years or so. We have both found it hard to rise up the ladder and be challengers again. Hopefully we both can do it at some stage despite the petty trolling that goes on in here.

 

[Soapy V]

The Carlton - Essendon arguments over the last few pages are very, very different to when I was a kid.

I seriously don't care what Essendon or anyone else is doing. Only worried about my own club

 

[LordLucifer]

Rookie list

Correct !!

All of them came into the AFL via the rookie list, or Cat B or supplementary selections etc.

 

[faible]

If that helps you come to terms with the smacking (with 8 out) then sure, why not.

One of these teams is rebuilding and one is loading up for finals. Which is which?

Stop, it's embarrassing

Oof it's bad when even your own clubs supporters start calling you out.

 

[faible]

despite the petty trolling that goes on in here

Honestly, Carlton supporters trolling efforts match their clubs on-field efforts over the last decade.

Even North produces better trolls.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

One of these teams is rebuilding and one is loading up for finals. Which is which?

Are the Bombers not interested in finals?

That explains the last 6000 days.

 

[faible]

Are the Bombers not interested in finals?

That explains the last 6000 days.

Maybe Essendon will get kicked out of finals again and gift Carlton a spot seeing as that's the only way they've actually made finals in the past decade.

 

[Snoozer]

Joint is a circus. One of the worst run organisations in the country.

Going nowhere without a massive on & off-field culture shift. The long-held acceptance of conditional performances by so-called senior players has resigned the place to an almost terminal state.

The awful, stale coaching staff who offer zero - John Barker has been there 10 years without as much as an ounce of ingenuity or creativity. The ridiculous, detached management speak by Bolton and then Teague of learnings, lessons and getting better. How inspiring?!

The dreadful development of guys like Dow, Stocker and countless others over the years.

The recruitment/drafting of guys who sleep with the light on in Setterfield, Petrevski-Seton, McGovern and O'Brien. Scared of there own shadows and will take the club nowhere.

The awful list management decisions - and the message it sends - in keeping Murphy (would not get a game anywhere, perhaps except North). They made the call on Simpson - yes, at retirement age, but a guy who actually has the respect of his peers and is pound-for-pound one of the toughest and most durable, was playing good footy and wanted to play on, in favour of a bloke who shirks it continually, refuses to stand up when the going is tough, and is not a leader's ar$ehole.

The gutless administration's spinelessness in making the so-called tough decisions, will see clubs who started rebuilds recently give Carlton windburn as they fly past, while the Blues continue to languish.

 

[Mofra]

From the outside looking in... are Carlton's line coaches even on speaking terms?
The connection between defence-mid-forward is terrible.
Combine that with some issues developing players and all the free agents int he world aren't going to help them. On paper the talent is actually there to be developed.
Even if they just eliminated the 'hot potato' handballs from their game Carlton would push for the eight.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Maybe Essendon will get kicked out of finals again and gift Carlton a spot seeing as that's the only way they've actually made finals in the past decade.

Factually incorrect. I’m sure you remember 2011 as well as I do. Another smacking of the bombers.

 

[faible]

Factually incorrect. I’m sure you remember 2011 as well as I do. Another smacking of the bombers.

Oh yes my apologies, a decade this year.

 

[schmuttt]

Carlton have a talented list but god that Williams deal isn’t looking great early.

 

[CarnTheScray]

Carlton have a talented list but god that Williams deal isn’t looking great early.

He was unsighted in that last quarter.

 

[citizen-erased]

Carlton have a talented list but god that Williams deal isn’t looking great early.

bright side, it's only money and money they needed to spend.
So no major setback for them. Can't see it mucking up their list

A couple of mids and a KPF to support McKay would set them up nicely.

 

[faible]

You been taking dumb pills mate? Carlton supporters are on here defending the club, the trolls are everybody else.

Yes. You're not wrong, the whole world is wrong!

 

[Robertio]

Yes. You're not wrong, the whole world is wrong!

I agree

 

[Soapy V]

From the outside looking in... are Carlton's line coaches even on speaking terms?
The connection between defence-mid-forward is terrible.
Combine that with some issues developing players and all the free agents int he world aren't going to help them. On paper the talent is actually there to be developed.
Even if they just eliminated the 'hot potato' handballs from their game Carlton would push for the eight.

All yes men

 

[Soapy V]

Carlton have a talented list but god that Williams deal isn’t looking great early.

Shouldn’t be allowed to play until fit

 

[HairyO]

When you have drafted talent like Dow SPS Fisher O'Brien Cuningham Durdin Williamson Ramsay Philp Honey Setterfield Cottrell and NONE are really stepping up that is a Development/Coaching issue.

Playing Cripps with a fractured back, Casboult with a chronic knee is just stupid

Rest Cripps Casboult and McKay and give the kids a run?

 

[Soapy V]

Rest Cripps Casboult and McKay and give the kids a run?

Cripps is fine and so is McKay. Casboult has a chronic knee issue. Murphy Betts Curnow aren’t the future. TDK SPS Dow O’Brien need to play and in there right spots.

I liked Stocker for his first game as a mid. Good signs

 

[freddy mercury]

Sort of feel for Saad, poor bloke left Gold Coast, who gave him his first crack. Went to Essendon, hoping for success didn't get it. Moved to Carlton seeking better performance, finals etc, not going to get that there either. Wonder how long he has left at Carlton before he requests a trade?

Obviously there for success, not money. Money has nothing to do with it.

 

[Ambrosia]

I liked Stocker for his first game as a mid. Good signs

Never understood why they played him as a defender.

 

[Fadge]

Sort of feel for Saad, poor bloke left Gold Coast, who gave him his first crack. Went to Essendon, hoping for success didn't get it. Moved to Carlton seeking better performance, finals etc, not going to get that there either. Wonder how long he has left at Carlton before he requests a trade?

Obviously there for success, not money. Money has nothing to do with it.

I can't feel sorry for anyone who is naive enough to leave their club for Carlton with the expectation of success.

Also, wasn't a big reason as to why he left Essendon because he refused to play the accountable role/s he was being asked to perform?

 

[freddy mercury]

I can't feel sorry for anyone who is naive enough to leave their club for Carlton with the expectation of success.

Also, wasn't a big reason as to why he left Essendon because he refused to play the accountable role/s he was being asked to perform?

No idea, I cant help but think money was an issue too. He has never been a good defender. Clubs dont expose it enough. He is at his 3rd club in 7 years. He hasn't had any issues that reflect poorly on a club, so he has never been pushed out. Left on his own accord, chasing " Success " but money is good too, right?

See how we go, this deal is four years I believe? He will be 31 when it is over. Dont be surprised if he plays for a fourth. If he is chasing success, he isn't going to get it at Carlton, they are at least 3-4 years away.