Opinion WHERE WILL THE IMPROVEMENT COME FROM?

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There have been many good points made on this thread and all I want to do is to reiterate my number gripe - disposal. We look at our best when we have fast sure ball movement. All teams do, of course, but we don't do that often enough, even when we have the opportunity to start ball movement through a clear possession. A mark, free kick or winning a contested ball provides a precious opportunity to move the ball cleanly and to build the momentum of the speed the ball moves between players.

The reason players like Ross and Kent, for instance, really frustrate me is too often they slow the play up allowing the opposition to set up defensively and then we handball/kick to a contest with a 50% success rate, or move the ball to a negative ground position. We should use every clean possession to start a passage of play that every player is completely switched on to, that they not only expect but anticipate, look forward to and can feel good about being involved in.

Injuries disrupted the familiarity to team selections last year so allowance can be made for that, however there should be no tolerance for being hesitant and indecisive with the ball or for not providing an option for a team mate who has the ball however fleetingly he has it. I don't just want team football, I want that fast football in attack that is generated by clear thinking and continual movement. It seems we now have enough players with the ability to play like that and a few who have never really been able to, so I hope the game plan and team selection is based on quick, clean possession and disposal.

Any comparisons to the Tigers and the Demons are probably valid, however that style of play has always been successful in every era, relative to the style of play in that era. While Roos and then Lyon coached teams to be defensive first and then attack, their teams had the weapons to use when they did move the ball quickly. They also had an advantage that we currently don't possess, teams with a host of champions. We may have some in a couple of years time and in the meantime we need to develop and finetune players for that style of play because it wins finals footy. And its bloody great to watch!!
 

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Ratts is in his final year and I hope that we don't rush to sign him yet. He's been a bit of a mixed bag, seeing finals again was amazing but there are times that his coaching looks ordinary. I think he's at least playing with an eye on the future and not for today unlike Richo who was always out on a ledge waiting for a shove so he coached for the day.

The comparison to Richo is interesting. Richo was lauded as a great coach and mentor in his first 4 years, it was only the last 2 years that he came under heavy criticism for his techniques.

Ratten however was under huge pressure and criticism in only his second year.
 

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The comparison to Richo is interesting. Richo was lauded as a great coach and mentor in his first 4 years, it was only the last 2 years that he came under heavy criticism for his techniques.

Ratten however was under huge pressure and criticism in only his second year.
I don't see the comparison. Richo was always a spud but we the supporters were sold a pup from the club's spin department. He was never actually lauded by anyone in the football or public spheres.
 

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I don't see the comparison. Richo was always a spud but we the supporters were sold a pup from the club's spin department. He was never actually lauded by anyone in the football or public spheres.

After Round 16 2017, when we annihilated the eventual premiers... was hardly a spud at that time.

Unfortunately it was all downhill from there.
 

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After Round 16 2017, when we annihilated the eventual premiers... was hardly a spud at that time.

Unfortunately it was all downhill from there.


Richmond took his rebound wave game that beat them and redid it in their own style after that. Melbourne use a bit of his wave run style too. I think he was limited by the players he had and wasn't a great developer of individual players though. Clarko is sh*t when he doesn't have a good list. Malthouse was a premiership coach then coached a wooden spoon side 2 years apart. Pretty obvious that Lethlean reviewed our list in a brutal fashion, we would have a turn over of players more like a side who'd come to the end of an era rather that a decoration of cake that was built for finals type set up.
 

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He was absolutely a spud at that time, it's just that Roo and Joey had been doing his job for him.


There are only 6 to 8 best 22 players from 2017 left and some of those are guys like Ross and Webster who may not be best 22 in the next few years. Only Sincs, Steele, Membrey and Marshall are top shelf with Billings types sitting just off that. He really had fu** all to work with. Guys like Bruce and Ross were his guns and Stuv was probably the only player close to a star at the time. Rooey late career was still good but waning, Montagna was sent to a HBF to graze. Our backline was Carlisle- when he played, old man Brown, Webster, Savage, Montagna and DMac. Wright, Rice and White types rounding out the back 6.
 

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There are only 6 to 8 best 22 players from 2017 left and some of those are guys like Ross and Webster who may not be best 22 in the next few years. Only Sincs, Steele, Membrey and Marshall are top shelf with Billings types sitting just off that. He really had fu** all to work with. Guys like Bruce and Ross were his guns and Stuv was probably the only player close to a star at the time. Rooey late career was still good but waning, Montagna was sent to a HBF to graze. Our backline was Carlisle- when he played, old man Brown, Webster, Savage, Montagna and DMac. Wright, Rice and White types rounding out the back 6.
I understand that he had eff all to work with, but at this point there's really no need to split hairs over the whole thing. Trout couldn't draft them, and Richo couldn't develop or coach them. They were all sh*t.

If we want to look at how sh*t we were you can also look to the off field changes. Sexton the cockroach is the only bloke left isn't he?
 

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Anybody know the status of the Moorabbin ground resurfacing and if our teams have access to a full ground to do training?

I do watch them in the little park next door training, its not a big area... no goals and they seem to concentrate on handball drills all the time.

How long before our teams get access to the ground?
 

gringo2011

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Anybody know the status of the Moorabbin ground resurfacing and if our teams have access to a full ground to do training?

I do watch them in the little park next door training, its not a big area... no goals and they seem to concentrate on handball drills all the time.

How long before our teams get access to the ground?

Mid February was the original completion date.
 

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