Which combination would you take.

[TownleyTime]

Out of the 2007 AFL trading/draft period.

Chris Judd (trading) & Matthew Kreuzer (drafting)

V

Josh Kennedy (trading) & Trent Cotchin (drafting).

 

[Sin City]

Judd and Kreuzer have shown heaps more than the other two, it's not even close.

 

[DVD Player]

Cotchin will never be as good as Judd.

Kreuzer will be better than Kennedy.

I'll go with the current combo.

 

[thecatattack]

Well Carlton got Judd & Kreuzer and WCE only got Kennedy and Richmond only got Cotchin. So Judd & Kreuzer.

 

[Simmonds2Hislop]

Judd and Kreuzer have shown heaps more than the other two, it's not even close.

Cotchin's better than Kruezer atm. Will have to wait and see how he recovers from injury to see if he can bridge the gap.

 

[Sin City]

Cotchin's better than Kruezer atm. Will have to wait and see how he recovers from injury to see if he can bridge the gap.

You're always good for a laugh.

Cotchin has been playing well lately but still has a long way to go before he's anywhere near Kreuzer.

 

[Alpha1]

Kruezer/Judd any day of the year.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

You're always good for a laugh.

Cotchin has been playing well lately but still has a long way to go before he's anywhere near Kreuzer.

I don't know about that. Kreuzer has never really been a Top 50 player in the comp and I think Cotchin is one right now. I also think Cotchin could be the best player in the comp in a few years.

 

[makethat2]

You're always good for a laugh.

Cotchin has been playing well lately but still has a long way to go before he's anywhere near Kreuzer.

Have i missed something? What is it that Kreuzer has done to date? In his 1st year he kicked 3 last quarter goals against port to win but besides that he as only shown glimpses. Cotchin i had my doubts on as well but this year he has been brilliant.

 

[Sin City]

I don't know about that. Kreuzer has never really been a Top 50 player in the comp and I think Cotchin is one right now. I also think Cotchin could be the best player in the comp in a few years.

Cotchin has been playing well for most of this season but is still being overrated a bit. Not in the top 50 players yet, hope he gets there because his creativity is great to watch but there are many midfielders with a lot more runs on the board than him and Richmond haven't been playing against much lately at all.

Kreuzer was the best young ruck in the league before his injury, was still short of the top 2-3 in the league last year and a few like Jolly improved after he went down but he was right up there with the best rucks in the league in just his third season. He's an excellent player and a great team player, Cotchin isn't anywhere near him at the moment.

 

[Alpha1]

Are you all forgetting Kreuzer has been injured, did you forget he has done a knee? Was showing plenty and was about to take the AFL by storm last season when he went down.

 

[Simmonds2Hislop]

I don't know about that. Kreuzer has never really been a Top 50 player in the comp and I think Cotchin is one right now. I also think Cotchin could be the best player in the comp in a few years.

Have i missed something? What is it that Kreuzer has done to date? In his 1st year he kicked 3 last quarter goals against port to win but besides that he as only shown glimpses. Cotchin i had my doubts on as well but this year he has been brilliant.

Yep. Cotchin has outperformed Kruezer in every year so far bar 2009. I'm willing to give Kruezer time though as he is a ruckman. I'm not fully convinced he'll even play in the ruck this year with Warnock doing so well. They might try to nurse him back with the injury he's had.

 

[Phenotype]

Silly comparison with Kruezer and Cotchin. Both are potential superstars who play polar opposites of roles.

Kreuzer = Will be top five tall men in the comp give a few years
Cotchin = Will be top five midfielders in the comp in a few years

Great players...

 

[Wickzki]

Silly comparison with Kruezer and Cotchin. Both are potential superstars who play polar opposites of roles.

Kreuzer = Will be top five tall men in the comp give a few years
Cotchin = Will be top five midfielders in the comp in a few years

Great players...

This. Both can impose themselves on the result of a game equally as the other. Big fan of both players. Bad comparison.

I'd take a quality big over a mid but that's not the argument.

 

[T2B_]

The current combo based on Kreuzer alone for mine. Judd of course has been a factor.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

The current combo based on Kreuzer alone for mine. Judd of course has been a factor.

Surely you're kidding. You would take just Kreuzer over both Cotchin and Kennedy?

 

[T2B_]

Surely you're kidding. You would take just Kreuzer over both Cotchin and Kennedy?

That's not quite what I meant, I was meaning Kreuzer alone is what heavily skews my opinion to the current combo of him and Juddy.

But I'll be level with you, there would be some bias as I have as much man love for Kreuzer as can be, but I do genuinely rate him very highly. I would certainly never give up Kreuzer for Kennedy. Neither would the Eagles give up Josh, but that's also a needs based thing.

 

[makethat2]

Cotchin has been playing well for most of this season but is still being overrated a bit. Not in the top 50 players yet, hope he gets there because his creativity is great to watch but there are many midfielders with a lot more runs on the board than him and Richmond haven't been playing against much lately at all.

Kreuzer was the best young ruck in the league before his injury, was still short of the top 2-3 in the league last year and a few like Jolly improved after he went down but he was right up there with the best rucks in the league in just his third season. He's an excellent player and a great team player, Cotchin isn't anywhere near him at the moment.

I remember leading up to his injury he was actually struggling a bit. Not enough to be dropped but wasn't living up to his potential. Even Robert Walls on 3AW was questioning his form(not his talent). It happens alot, when a player is injured his rating goes up. He's a good ruckman and maybe the best in years to come or might just plateu into a seviceable ruckman. On output alone Cotchin is well up.

 

[007Tigers]

can i please ask why the **** cotchin is even in this poll?

carlton had pick 1 and 3 tigers had pick 2. carlton traded pick 3 and kennedy for judd plus did afew other draft pick trades. carlton got kreuzer with pick 1. tigers got cotchin with pick 2 and west coast used pick 3 to get masten

so shouldnt the poll be judd & kreuzer vs kennedy & masten?

 

[Simmonds2Hislop]

can i please ask why the **** cotchin is even in this poll?

carlton had pick 1 and 3 tigers had pick 2. carlton traded pick 3 and kennedy for judd plus did afew other draft pick trades. carlton got kreuzer with pick 1. tigers got cotchin with pick 2 and west coast used pick 3 to get masten

so shouldnt the poll be judd & kreuzer vs kennedy & masten?

It could be rearanged to anything really. They could've kept Kennedy and taken Cotchin at 1, and then 3 on someone else. You could make it:

Judd/Kreuzer vs Kreuzer/Kennedy
Cotchin/Judd vs Kennedy/Kruezer

Really though it's pointless as Carlton got a top 5 midfielder and a very promising ruckman.

 

[Silvagnis]

They could've kept Kennedy and taken Cotchin at 1, and then 3 on someone else.

Really though it's pointless as Carlton got a top 5 midfielder and a very promising ruckman.

Why would we change our selection to take Cotchin?

I'd back our recruiters over Richmond's on everyday of the week...The Tigers chased Grigg.

Kreuzer is a gun footballer...

Vickery is what you could call a promising ruckman...

Emma Quayle's book claims that we were interested in Palmer...No brainer getting Judd...I wouldn't swap Garlett or Yarran, let alone a Lucas for a Palmer.

 

[Teffy]

I'd take Judd as a quality experienced midfielder to lead the way for the kids is our most pressing issue.

Kruezer would be the consolation prize. He's a very good prospect, but hardly essential considering our present list.

Cotchin would actually be the next player I would want after Judd.

 

[Sin City]

I remember leading up to his injury he was actually struggling a bit. Not enough to be dropped but wasn't living up to his potential. Even Robert Walls on 3AW was questioning his form(not his talent). It happens alot, when a player is injured his rating goes up. He's a good ruckman and maybe the best in years to come or might just plateu into a seviceable ruckman. On output alone Cotchin is well up.

He wasn't struggling at all. His ruck work was fine, his play around the ground was terrific and his team efforts and tackling were first class for a third year ruck. Wasn't marking really well until his last few weeks but apart from that he was going brilliantly. Cotchin has been good lately but has done nothing to put him anywhere near Kreuzer.

 

[makethat2]

He wasn't struggling at all. His ruck work was fine, his play around the ground was terrific and his team efforts and tackling were first class for a third year ruck. Wasn't marking really well until his last few weeks but apart from that he was going brilliantly. Cotchin has been good lately but has done nothing to put him anywhere near Kreuzer.

Not correct. Cotchin has produced better football than Kreuzer. Not bagging him cause big guys take time especially missing 12 months from a knee but he hasn't produced better games in the past than what cotchin is producing now. Cotchin is a chance for all Australian this year so far, Kreuzers name has never been considered for it.

 

[Sin City]

Not correct. Cotchin has produced better football than Kreuzer. Not bagging him cause big guys take time especially missing 12 months from a knee but he hasn't produced better games in the past than what cotchin is producing now. Cotchin is a chance for all Australian this year so far, Kreuzers name has never been considered for it.

Actually his name was thrown up early last season when he was in top form, not as a front runner for selection but in the top few ruckman going around. Cotchin has not yet produced performances as good as Kreuzer, it's just that most posters on BigFooty can't remember back any further than the past week.