Who is best contested marker in afl?

[Nomad12]

How some posters are not picking Fyfe is beyond me..clear best for mine.

Riewoldt
Cloke
Casboult are a few that come to mind and biased here but anybody see some of Easton Woods contested marks this year? I remember he outmarked Fyfe in a 50/50 were neither were in better position.

 

[beerbandit]

Im not sure if your 14, but there are 20 blokes who played in the 80s and 90s who were WAY better than Travis Cloke

No mate I'm not 14 I'm 7, and the thread is not playing ability but contested marking and I don't know if your 12 but my opinion is that he is the best contested marker since Carey and I'm pretty sure figures would back that statement up. Takes a better contested pack mark then anyone in the game today hands down and that's what the thread is about.

 

[Banyo Bloods]

Brain Lake, Fyfe and Cloke ..........and Tippett can clunk them (be gentle)

 

[Blacky]

No love for Luke Parker?

Edit - as a non-KPP

No, I definitely love him

 

[Natho]

Cloke does take a good grab. If only he could kick straight! Tom Lynch is pretty good in that department.

Hogan will probably top these charts in years to come.

 

[McRobie]

Tippett

 

[Danger Money]

Casboult and Carlisle for me

 

[Scodog10]

Nick is comfortably on top for the number of contested marks taken since they started recording the stat in 1999 and his career average of 1.98 per game is not far off Trav Cloke's 2.09 or Barry Hall's 2.02 (from 1999 onwards) and he is ahead of Johnno Brown's 1.91, Tredrea's 1.88 and Hawkins' 1.87, but he doesn't take anywhere near as many of them these days and works up the ground more than he probably ever has.

I'm sorry if it's been covered, but you missed the best contested mark I've seen since the statistic has been recorded (Carey prior to 99) in Richo! He averaged a massive 2.77 per game across 183 matches. In terms of the best marks the game has ever seen he's seriously underrated, IMO.

Onto the current best. I'd have McGovern ahead of Fyfe with Cloke bringing up the rear. McGovern just reads the ball so well and has oven mitts for hands, Fyfe with his leap timing and sticky fingers and Cloke through brute strength (despite his average year he still went at 2 per game).

 

[The Ghost Of Glenferrie]

No, I definitely love him

I do too - any chance you're feeling generous and would consider a trade - perhaps we can flip you guys Zac Webster.

Don't believe the naysayers; his hamstrings are sound, he has talent to burn and a lot of upside. I'm telling the truth, I really am.

Come on, it's the holidays!!!

 

[Mitchell Madness]

The best pack mark was hale, could take a grab with ease in a contest

Running into a pack is still reiwoldt

 

[RobZombie]

You can think whatever you like, it's all opinion, but I reckon the big, slow-moving behemoth forwards like Cloke, Casboult, Waite, etc, are dinosaurs. They can often be a liability. They might take 2 or 3 big marks. They may *nearly* take another 4 or 5 big marks that get the commentators excited. But what else do they do?

Think you're being a bit unkind to Waite. I think in a way he proves both points. Absolutely, first half of the season when he was basically trying to play as a traditional one-out forward he was frustrating. Once the penny dropped (post the GC debacle) about what Scott expects of his tall forwards, he worked up the ground, brought much more defensive pressure and the whole North forward setup was better for it. He's still at 32 athletic enough to cause problems for 3rd tall defenders.

Which is a roundabout way of agreeing with you, though having the extra tool in the belt of a good contested forward where his teammates can have the confidence of kicking to a contest when they need to has to be a good thing.

 

[frizzle]

Hooker
Cloke
Taylor

 

[Trav 20]

With due respect to Lake and McGovern it's far easier to take pack or contested marks when you're a backman. If in any doubt you'll spoil, or if you're in good position from behind you'll take the mark. The key forward is always trying to take front position, is double and triple teamed, and usually doesn't have this luxury.

I wouldn't rank any defender in a "best of" when it comes to pack or contested marking.

 

[Lukey D]

For his size, Deledio

 

[aussierulesrules]

I'm sorry if it's been covered, but you missed the best contested mark I've seen since the statistic has been recorded (Carey prior to 99) in Richo! He averaged a massive 2.77 per game across 183 matches. In terms of the best marks the game has ever seen he's seriously underrated, IMO.

I didn't miss him, there were others who also averaged more per game (from 1999 onwards) than Nick, in Loewe, Carey, McKernan, A Rocca, Lloyd, Casboult, J-Pod and T Lynch.

 

[RunBurgundy]

Not in the beast KPF mould but I'm am always confident when Rory Sloane is competing in the air. Has a great set of hands.

 

[Shinboner '07]

Jarrad Waite

 

[BEEG]

Cloke
Carlisle
Casboult

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

With due respect to Lake and McGovern it's far easier to take pack or contested marks when you're a backman. If in any doubt you'll spoil, or if you're in good position from behind you'll take the mark. The key forward is always trying to take front position, is double and triple teamed, and usually doesn't have this luxury.

I wouldn't rank any defender in a "best of" when it comes to pack or contested marking.

McGovern contested marking was a feature of his game as a forward as much as it was when he played in defense.

 

[wallyt99]

Someone on our board said Clarko was dead again marks in the forward 50 because it slowed the game too much. Preferred crumbing quick goals etc. Whilst this sounded silly at the time it looks like this is how they play and post game interviews with players about awesome hangers etc are almost always qualified with "Clarko doesn't want me to mark them".

Then again maybe we're just sh&t at marking....

I think it's a low percentage play is the issue. If they attempt to mark - then they other team is more likely to either -1 - out mark them; 2 - Punch the ball to the Boundary or 3 - Clear the ball from out the back.

If their first action is instead to bring the ball to ground in front of the pack so players running towards goal can get a run on it then usually they can do this even if not in optimum marking position and avoid the other 3 outcomes much more effectively.

I'm not convinced myself but hey.... I am not a 4 time premiership coach.

 

[tek87]

Luke Hodge outmarked Fyfe quite convincingly in a final recently. Cant recall if it was prelim or GF.

when he pushed him out illegally or when he had a broken leg? i saw Adam Mcphee destroy luke hodge in a final against freo. guess that makes him a better player overall

 

[AndysAngels]

There was a game within the last couple years where Hawkins absolutely monstered the last quarter and almost single-handedly won the cats the game. He clunked and goaled seemingly everything that came near him. It might have been against the Roos from memory?
Another game that comes to mind is Harry Taylor against Freo at Simonds Stadium in 2014, had 19 marks and it was probably the best intercept mark game I've seen.

Those are two of the best contested/intercept marking games I can think of.

From the eagles, McGovern in round 1 this year; Mackenzie goes down in the pre-season, Brown goes down in the first quarter. Enter McGovern; takes 12 marks (many of them intercepts), collects 26 disposals, 2 brownlow votes in just his 13th game.

My top 3 are probably Hawkins, Casboult and Fyfe.

 

[The Bomb]

Cloke
Carlisle
Casboult

Hooker >> Carlilse in this regard, Hooker is much stronger, Carlisle likes a bit of a run and jump, Hooker just clunks it.

 

[gungho]

I know this sounds extremely biased, but, I genuinely don't think anyone can out-mark Fyfe in the competition - that includes Cloke and Hawkins. Fyfe only averages about 1.5 contested marks a game, but that's because he spends the majority of time in the midfield. I've actually never seen Fyfe beaten in a marking contest.

 

[sr36]

I know this sounds extremely biased, but, I genuinely don't think anyone can out-mark Fyfe in the competition - that includes Cloke and Hawkins. Fyfe only averages about 1.5 contested marks a game, but that's because he spends the majority of time in the midfield. I've actually never seen Fyfe beaten in a marking contest.

Fyfe has the strongest hands around, but if you kicked a long ball to a one on one between Fyfe and Cloke - Cloke would maul him.