Opinion Who should be captain 2020 poll

[BrutThough]

Bnf is irrelevant. Mav Weller placed there along with many many others. It's a sign of effort, not of how good a player is. At least at ourclub the last few years.

He's a hard worker for sure. Sets an example in that way. But he's never won a game off his own boot. He never will. He's just not that sort of player. I'm not disputing that he wasn't a good choice either. At the time it was frustrating but in hindsight can see why it happened. However he's 32 now. We've gone through a changing of the guard. We're moving away from tryers with a limited ceiling. I just think it's time to consider the possibility that it's more valuable to blood new leaders and generate more competition for spots.

Consistently placing high in the bnf is not irreverent. It's an indicator that he is consistently one of our better players and does what the coaches want from him every week.

Yes, he hasn't won the game off his own boot for us. Very few defenders in the competition are able to do that. But without some of his defensive work, or some big defensive moments (tackles, smothers etc.), we wouldn't have been in a position to win the game at all.

 

[gringo2011]

Respectfully disagree. Hardest worker at the club, lifts the standards of every player, his leadership and work ethic can't be questioned. Taking over after someone like Rooey would've been hard for anyone. If he wasn't a good choice he would've been replaced by now IMO.

I haven't got to much in the way of club events in the last couple of years but Geary seemed to be liked by a lot of different groups of players too, he seems to be friendly with everyone but not too cliquey either. A lot of players are too introverted, too cliquey etc. It takes a whole range of traits to make a captain. Unless someone absolutely forces them to change I would think he's pretty safe as captain.

 

[George]

I haven't got to much in the way of club events in the last couple of years but Geary seemed to be liked by a lot of different groups of players too, he seems to be friendly with everyone but not too cliquey either. A lot of players are too introverted, too cliquey etc. It takes a whole range of traits to make a captain. Unless someone absolutely forces them to change I would think he's pretty safe as captain.

This 'Geary isn't best 22' talk has been going on for about six years now. People are wrong every year but I guess the longer you say it you'll eventually be right.

Again I trust the players. They voted him in. If he wasn't a good captain he wouldn't be captain.

 

[gringo2011]

At the gym they play highlights of the 2019 season for each team, I haven't been lucky enough to catch the whole Saints one yet but you get to see the best bits of play. Gresh, Marshall and a few others are pretty regular highlight contributors but plenty of second stringers are the initial catalyst. Dunny, Savage, Ross and Geary aren't well regarded on here but they started plenty of the plays that ended being special. I watched all of Geelong's tonight, they are going to miss Tim Kelly a lot, he was the guy who started so much of what they did well. Gaj is an amazing finisher but so much was Kelly setting him and Tomahawk up. Guys like Grian Meyers, Blicavs and what's his name with the dreads were they guys who did the grunt work.

Geary gets forgotten pretty quick is my point, he crashes in and makes contests that aren't there. He's a better player than he gets credit for.

 

[Mowman]

At the gym they play highlights of the 2019 season for each team, I haven't been lucky enough to catch the whole Saints one yet but you get to see the best bits of play. Gresh, Marshall and a few others are pretty regular highlight contributors but plenty of second stringers are the initial catalyst. Dunny, Savage, Ross and Geary aren't well regarded on here but they started plenty of the plays that ended being special. I watched all of Geelong's tonight, they are going to miss Tim Kelly a lot, he was the guy who started so much of what they did well. Gaj is an amazing finisher but so much was Kelly setting him and Tomahawk up. Guys like Grian Meyers, Blicavs and what's his name with the dreads were they guys who did the grunt work.

Geary gets forgotten pretty quick is my point, he crashes in and makes contests that aren't there. He's a better player than he gets credit for.

At the gym

 

[gringo2011]

At the gym

I'm a fat campaigner since Christmas, I thought looking at fit young people would shame me into pushing myself. Doesn't work. I had to move gyms because the PT at the other one knows I'm a lazy quitter. I ran a km on the treadmill and nearly spewed, had to go back to a fast walk.

 

[plugger66]

I'm a fat campaigner since Christmas, I thought looking at fit young people would shame me into pushing myself. Doesn't work. I had to move gyms because the PT at the other one knows I'm a lazy quitter. I ran a km on the treadmill and nearly spewed, had to go back to a fast walk.

I’d rather with my enemy Jim’s mowing than going to the Jim.

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

Bnf is irrelevant. Mav Weller placed there along with many many others. It's a sign of effort, not of how good a player is. At least at ourclub the last few years.

He's a hard worker for sure. Sets an example in that way. But he's never won a game off his own boot. He never will. He's just not that sort of player. I'm not disputing that he wasn't a good choice either. At the time it was frustrating but in hindsight can see why it happened. However he's 32 now. We've gone through a changing of the guard. We're moving away from tryers with a limited ceiling. I just think it's time to consider the possibility that it's more valuable to blood new leaders and generate more competition for spots.

ive read some rubbish on here in my time but this is right up there as some of the most pathetic rubbish point of view ...
the club set the standards by what they expect of the player as the basis of the B&F you dont poll votes in that by "trying hard" you earn votes by doing the task assigned to you and doing it well ... its some kind of conspirisy you are putting forward that for some reason a player firstly gets games when they dont deserve them ...... but then the sneaky coaches make sure he polls strongly in the B&F as well ... what a fantastic plan that is but why would the coaches (especially one like richo who for the last two seasons was coaching for his career)want to go that path ? what beneift does that give ?

you mention Mav and im glad you did because he is the perfect example .. for one season he was fantastic for us and he played every week and polled well in the B&F.. but then his formed dipped anf he got dropped regularly until he got delisted so Mav is a clear example of form dictates if you play or not and performance in the game relates to the B&F voting

as for winning games off his own boot first he is a defender so not many defenders can claim to do that regularly ... secondly he is captaining a team that struggled to win a game by any mean let alone off the boot of one man ..

 

[Crusty Undies]

ive read some rubbish on here in my time but this is right up there as some of the most pathetic rubbish point of view ...
the club set the standards by what they expect of the player as the basis of the B&F you dont poll votes in that by "trying hard" you earn votes by doing the task assigned to you and doing it well ... its some kind of conspirisy you are putting forward that for some reason a player firstly gets games when they dont deserve them ...... but then the sneaky coaches make sure he polls strongly in the B&F as well ... what a fantastic plan that is but why would the coaches (especially one like richo who for the last two seasons was coaching for his career)want to go that path ? what beneift does that give ?

you mention Mav and im glad you did because he is the perfect example .. for one season he was fantastic for us and he played every week and polled well in the B&F.. but then his formed dipped anf he got dropped regularly until he got delisted so Mav is a clear example of form dictates if you play or not and performance in the game relates to the B&F voting

as for winning games off his own boot first he is a defender so not many defenders can claim to do that regularly ... secondly he is captaining a team that struggled to win a game by any mean let alone off the boot of one man ..

So the BnF means nothing but in the same breath people are willing to dismiss Seb Ross? Stop with the double standard shit mate, either it means something or it doesn't. But don't give me "it means something because Geary does alright in it, but we also can't trust it because Ross won and he wasn't the best player". Mav was never fantastic for us. He was a bit part player at best that the coach liked. Exactly the same as Dmac 2018. Neither have been or ever will be fantastic players and at any other club would have no chance to poll in a legitimate BnF but because we were shit for so long we've accepted mediocre "tryers" as top 10s in the BnF.

I dunno you tell me why Richo consistently selected McKenzie, Weller, Newnes or any of the other GOPs he liked? Why was it that supposedly one of the first selected every week under Richo (McKenzie) get instantly dropped when Ratten comes in? Maybe it's because Richo wasn't a good coach, we seem to be pretty much in agreement as a board about that so why would we exempt some aspects of his coaching from the overall shitness?

Rance won games off his own boot. Maxwell could even make that claim with his clutch intercepts occasionally. Hurn almost certainly has as the premiere kick in the competition.

 

[plugger66]

So the BnF means nothing but in the same breath people are willing to dismiss Seb Ross? Stop with the double standard shit mate, either it means something or it doesn't. But don't give me "it means something because Geary does alright in it, but we also can't trust it because Ross won and he wasn't the best player". Mav was never fantastic for us. He was a bit part player at best that the coach liked. Exactly the same as Dmac 2018. Neither have been or ever will be fantastic players and at any other club would have no chance to poll in a legitimate BnF but because we were shit for so long we've accepted mediocre "tryers" as top 10s in the BnF.

I dunno you tell me why Richo consistently selected McKenzie, Weller, Newnes or any of the other GOPs he liked? Why was it that supposedly one of the first selected every week under Richo (McKenzie) get instantly dropped when Ratten comes in? Maybe it's because Richo wasn't a good coach, we seem to be pretty much in agreement as a board about that so why would we exempt some aspects of his coaching from the overall shitness?

Rance won games off his own boot. Maxwell could even make that claim with his clutch intercepts occasionally. Hurn almost certainly has as the premiere kick in the competition.

Again complete rubbish. How many games did Harley win for Geelong? And just because some don’t rate Ross winning the b and f doesn’t mean all don’t rate him. The best and fairest is a very good indicator. By the way McKenzie got dropped by richo this year last year and every year he played. Facts should be used instead of fiction to support a very weak argument

 

[BrutThough]

So the BnF means nothing but in the same breath people are willing to dismiss Seb Ross? Stop with the double standard shit mate, either it means something or it doesn't. But don't give me "it means something because Geary does alright in it, but we also can't trust it because Ross won and he wasn't the best player". Mav was never fantastic for us. He was a bit part player at best that the coach liked. Exactly the same as Dmac 2018. Neither have been or ever will be fantastic players and at any other club would have no chance to poll in a legitimate BnF but because we were shit for so long we've accepted mediocre "tryers" as top 10s in the BnF.

I dunno you tell me why Richo consistently selected McKenzie, Weller, Newnes or any of the other GOPs he liked? Why was it that supposedly one of the first selected every week under Richo (McKenzie) get instantly dropped when Ratten comes in? Maybe it's because Richo wasn't a good coach, we seem to be pretty much in agreement as a board about that so why would we exempt some aspects of his coaching from the overall shitness?

Rance won games off his own boot. Maxwell could even make that claim with his clutch intercepts occasionally. Hurn almost certainly has as the premiere kick in the competition.

Mav did have a fantastic 2016. His forward aggression was one of the key parts of the gameplan and a big reason we improved so much in that back half of the season. He was a one season wonder but that doesnt discredit that he was good that year.

Every club has perceived mediocre players finish high in their BNF. - we aren't special That's not clubs accepting mediocrity - thats just fans not appreciating that some unglamorous players are doing what the club asks of them every week. The whole point of the BNF is to reward consistently and those lesser players who don't get media awards and fan attention but do the small things which allow the stars to be as good as they are.

Every club selects GOPs every week because every club needs role players. People need to get over this being a Richo thing and using it as a criticism. It is just a reality of football and if you dont accept that, then you will be shocked when Ratten has the same habit.

And DMac wasnt the first picked every week. Thats just complete crap with no actual basis.

Rance is one of the best defenders of the modern era - no shame in Geary not being a direct comparison to him. Hurn is a great kick, why cant Geary have other strengths. If you are credit Maxwell, then you are just choosing to ignore Geary's defensive work.

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

So the BnF means nothing but in the same breath people are willing to dismiss Seb Ross? Stop with the double standard shit mate, either it means something or it doesn't. But don't give me "it means something because Geary does alright in it, but we also can't trust it because Ross won and he wasn't the best player". Mav was never fantastic for us. He was a bit part player at best that the coach liked. Exactly the same as Dmac 2018. Neither have been or ever will be fantastic players and at any other club would have no chance to poll in a legitimate BnF but because we were shit for so long we've accepted mediocre "tryers" as top 10s in the BnF.

I dunno you tell me why Richo consistently selected McKenzie, Weller, Newnes or any of the other GOPs he liked? Why was it that supposedly one of the first selected every week under Richo (McKenzie) get instantly dropped when Ratten comes in? Maybe it's because Richo wasn't a good coach, we seem to be pretty much in agreement as a board about that so why would we exempt some aspects of his coaching from the overall shitness?

Rance won games off his own boot. Maxwell could even make that claim with his clutch intercepts occasionally. Hurn almost certainly has as the premiere kick in the competition.

when have i EVER dismissed Ross winning the B&F ? people dismissing that have an as dumb point of veiw as you do ...
you do not ever poll well in the B&F as a poor player .. it just does not happen

Ross Lyon chose Geary each week , Scott Watters chose him each week, Richo chose him each week and if fit Ratten would choose him each week .. i think you have a very short memory on the first season Mav played with us ... i know its hard to recall because the way he finished with us was woeful..

as for winning the game off their own boot .. how many games do you think Rance would have won for Richmond without Dusty, JRoo, Cotchin and co playing? how often would maxwells clutch marking have saved Collingwood without Swan, Pendles, Thomas etc ? Hurn has a fantastic kick on him for sure but would that make a fiddle of differance if WCE didnt have Gaff, Shuey, Darling JKand co. ??
Geary doenst win games off his own boot yeah but guess what he hasnt had the team around him to win games full stop ...

 

[Sab22]

sorry but when fit, Geary is one of the better small defenders in the comp

 

[tomjoad]

Geary is okay. Makes a big effort, is undeniably tough, and gets the utmost out of his skills. He'll most likely be captain for this year and will probably play another 2 season's. I think he's been pretty good given the calibre of players we've lost, and the team he inherited since Roo & Joey went into the sunset.

 

[StCicatriz]

B&F is a good indicator but its not 100% truth. i starts to lose its integrity when B&F votes get changed by the club as a way to manage their TPP. a higher B&F finish can mean a higher bonus and have ramifications for the TPP.

i'm not saying this has happened recently or is a regular occurrence but it does happen.

 

[OxSaint]

Geary is best 22. No doubt about it. His kick isn’t elite, but it is not awful like some are making out on here.

Geary to stay on one more year. Changing captains when there is only one logical choice would be unnecessary. There is every chance she have a couple of other people putting their hands up this time next year. If Ross is the best man for the job next year then good luck to him.

Guys like Membrey, Roberton, Billings, Dunstan, Gresham, Howard, Marshall, Hanners all have leadership qualities that could flourish under ratts over the next 12 Months.

 

[Ads734]

Once again we are stuck in Limbo with out a clear choice for captain.

I am very strong on not making it Hannebry. Unfortunately I do not think we can have someone with his off field back round as our leader it sets a bad example for the younger guys. In the leadership group I also think we need a mix of guys who lead by exmaple, guys who will be loud and call out others and also guys who are a little quieter and will be more 'glue' type leaders who have the social connection to all players.

Therefore I think our leadership group should be

Seb Ross (c)

Battle
Marshall(VC)
Geary(VC)
Billings
Howard
Steele
Dunstan

 

[plugger66]

B&F is a good indicator but its not 100% truth. i starts to lose its integrity when B&F votes get changed by the club as a way to manage their TPP. a higher B&F finish can mean a higher bonus and have ramifications for the TPP.

i'm not saying this has happened recently or is a regular occurrence but it does happen.

And how do you know it does happen? I’m going it doesn’t.

 

[Mowman]

And how do you know it does happen? I’m going it doesn’t.

Its happened many times over the years in many different ways common knowledge
And what a surprise that you disagree with him

 

[plugger66]

Its happened many times over the years in many different ways common knowledge
And what a surprise that you disagree with him

No funnily i disagree because players who have lived with me have said it’s crap. So where do you get this inside info that’s it’s common knowledge. Bf or Facebook. Haha. That holds up as gospel.

 

[George]

B&F is a good indicator but its not 100% truth. i starts to lose its integrity when B&F votes get changed by the club as a way to manage their TPP. a higher B&F finish can mean a higher bonus and have ramifications for the TPP.

i'm not saying this has happened recently or is a regular occurrence but it does happen.

Its happened many times over the years in many different ways common knowledge
And what a surprise that you disagree with him

When? Never heard of it before

 

[L_W_P]

6 man Leadership group:

Jack Steele - Captain
Tim Membrey - VC (Forward line)
Dougal Howard - VC (Back line)
Seb Ross
Rowan Marshall
Jarryn Geary

 

[joop]

LOL who voted for Ben Long?

 

[jwikked]

No funnily i disagree because players who have lived with me have said it’s crap. So where do you get this inside info that’s it’s common knowledge. Bf or Facebook. Haha. That holds up as gospel.

I’ve heard before that Nick Dal Santo didn’t get votes because the clubs salary cap was so tight they couldn’t afford to pay him the bonus for finishing high in the B and F.

 

[plugger66]

I’ve heard before that Nick Dal Santo didn’t get votes because the clubs salary cap was so tight they couldn’t afford to pay him the bonus for finishing high in the B and F.

Heard off who though? And if you hear dal would hear it. I’m sure that would piss him off. I don’t buy it at all. Anyway it’s not effecting geary and where he finishes which was the point of mentioning the best and fairest.