Who will be our first choice CHF in 2009?

[Juddys_navy_blues]

IMO i think it will be Cloke, with Kruezer as our next option.

Who do others think will fill CHF?

 

[Crippa#9]

yes tend to agree.

However, Kreuzer probably has a better motor to play at CHF and Cloke may be suited playing as another tall option deep forward with Fev and Yarran at their feet. Cloke did play this co-forward role with Fev exceptionally well at the Gabba last year (kicked 4 I think?)

 

[Jeremias]

Without a doubt it will be Cloke.

Expect Kreuzer and even Fisher to fill in at times as well.

Someone like Walker could even line up at CHF for short periods of time if we need to try something different and create unpedictability in the forward line.

If fit, Harts will also get opportunities as the coaches clearly rate him highly and are going to give him every opportunity to succeed, providing his body can withstand the pressure.

I'd love to see Waite there but it won't happen for any extended period of time.

 

[joe stalin]

I think Cloke and Kreuser will have to do the majority of the ruck work again this season , so CHF will be a problem .
Hammer is certainly big enough now , but still pretty raw and needs another year in the twos .

Walker and Fisher are the two options left , and will probably share the job early in the season . Waite will also do some time there during some games , and Hartlett will be given another go if he can get fit .

Hopefully the pre-season games will help to sort it out . But I do think it is our major problem at the moment .

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

I think playing Kreuzer at CHF doesn't make the best use of his strengths, which are his second efforts, ability below his knees and kicking. I've got no doubt that he'll play alot up forward in his career, but designating him at CHF would be a waste imo. Remember Spider in his prime? He was pretty much Hawthorns best clearance player.

Cloke would seem to be the best bet but I'm not sure why people are so hung up on having a classic CHF. Our problem isn't that we lack a CHF, it's that we lack options.

If Cloke does the business there, fine, but I get the feeling he's better suited to a goalsquare FP type role. I've got no problem playing he and Fev out of the square (particularly given the way Fev leads hard towards the 50) and then rotating others through CHF (Kreuze, Fisher, Walker whoever)

Consider this Robert Murphy -186cm. Andrew Walker - 190cm.

 

[as0l0]

most of the time the position will be empty

 

[AlecDuncan]

I'm loathe to start this argument again, but I think Hartlett and Russell will share duties (assuming Hartlett plays at all).

If Cloke is there then things are desperate.

 

[ianh]

Russell?????

 

[PeeKay]

I think playing Kreuzer at CHF doesn't make the best use of his strengths, which are his second efforts, ability below his knees and kicking. I've got no doubt that he'll play alot up forward in his career, but designating him at CHF would be a waste imo. Remember Spider in his prime? He was pretty much Hawthorns best clearance player.

Cloke would seem to be the best bet but I'm not sure why people are so hung up on having a classic CHF. Our problem isn't that we lack a CHF, it's that we lack options.

If Cloke does the business there, fine, but I get the feeling he's better suited to a goalsquare FP type role. I've got no problem playing he and Fev out of the square (particularly given the way Fev leads hard towards the 50) and then rotating others through CHF (Kreuze, Fisher, Walker whoever)

Consider this Robert Murphy -186cm. Andrew Walker - 190cm.

It's good to see some well presented arguement. There's to much no footy bullsh1t appearing in this site under the disguise of humour.
I agree with your comments. I think the MC would much prefer a natural CHF in Hartlett than try and make one out of Cloke or Kruezer etc. But if Harts body can't stand up to the rigors of crash and bash CHF then they will look at all alternitives. It would be a rotated position during the game. Cloke, Walker, Kruezer and even Judd & Betts just to create some uncertainy in the opposition camp and hopefully some mis matches. Therefore, come on Harts.......please make this your year.

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

I dont care who plays where, under whatever game day title, i just want us to work as a team, kick goals and win games. CHF is overrated.

 

[Blues_Man]

I dont care who plays where, under whatever game day title, i just want us to work as a team, kick goals and win games. CHF is overrated.

Sticks says "hi"

 

[Juddys_navy_blues]

I dont care who plays where, under whatever game day title, i just want us to work as a team, kick goals and win games. CHF is overrated.

CHF is overated? You will find that most succesful teams have a good CHF, Brisbane have Brown, the roos had Carey, the hawks have Franklin, so i cant see how it is overated when without those players who knows where those clubs would have been at.

 

[Beloved]

I hope that Cloke will be able to hold down CHF with his new body type. He was able to win plenty of contested marks last year, but with the weight that he's dropped over the course of the pre-season, that skill might be stunted.

Hopefully I'm wrong.

Kreuzer would have to be second.

 

[blblues]

I think playing Kreuzer at CHF doesn't make the best use of his strengths, which are his second efforts, ability below his knees and kicking. I've got no doubt that he'll play alot up forward in his career, but designating him at CHF would be a waste imo. Remember Spider in his prime? He was pretty much Hawthorns best clearance player.

Cloke would seem to be the best bet but I'm not sure why people are so hung up on having a classic CHF. Our problem isn't that we lack a CHF, it's that we lack options.

If Cloke does the business there, fine, but I get the feeling he's better suited to a goalsquare FP type role. I've got no problem playing he and Fev out of the square (particularly given the way Fev leads hard towards the 50) and then rotating others through CHF (Kreuze, Fisher, Walker whoever)

Consider this Robert Murphy -186cm. Andrew Walker - 190cm.

Very good post. Kreuzer was drafted as a ruckman that can play forward, not as a CHF. The way footy is evolving having a CHF isn't so much an issue as having multiple avenues to goal. Hawthorn have the best forward line in the comp and they don't have a traditional CHF. The hawks have 5 or 6 forwards that can kick multiple goals. Having Fev, Cloke, Walker, Yarran, Betts, Kreuzer etc up there gives us a stronger forward line then many think. What needs to change is our midfields mentality of kick it to Fev every forward entry. This will help us have a stronger, less predictable forward line.

 

[Revenge I Seek]

Andrew Merrington

 

[Juddys_navy_blues]

Andrew Merrington

LOL, now thats getting desperate.

 

[blblues]

CHF is overated? You will find that most succesful teams have a good CHF, Brisbane have Brown, the roos had Carey, the hawks have Franklin, so i cant see how it is overated when without those players who knows where those clubs would have been at.

Franklin doesn't play as a CHF. Jonathan Brown doesn't even really play as a traditional CHF any more. CHF is not really as much an important position as it was 3-4 years ago. It's all about multiple avenues to goal these days.

 

[HBF]

IMO i think it will be Cloke, with Kruezer as our next option.

Who do others think will fill CHF?

Cloke for mine, with Fisher and Wiggins giving him a chop out on the flanks. I also wouldn't rule out Andrew Walker playing that Robert Murphy type role. With his pace and athletisism, he could be a real handful up on the forward line.

 

[Blue Dimension]

Adam Hartlett.

 

[bLuEbOy1984]

i dont think we are really going to have any TRUE chf player for this year... it will all be based around the performances of Kruz, Fisher, Harlett and Cloke as the main men behind Fevola

 

[Juddys_navy_blues]

Adam Hartlett.

Hartlett is so injury prone that i just cant see him being the answer that we need, i hope he proves me wrong.

 

[Beloved]

Adam Hartlett.

I hope this is a sarcastic post!

I think that Hartlett has had his chances - he'll have to come up with something special to break into the team this year.

 

[true blue19]

cloke will get 1st crack and if he stands up ang does a good jod will stay there all year if fit. if he doesn't it will be musical chairs with kreuzer, waite, hartlett(if fit could make it his own), walker, edwards, fisher and hadley his name was throw around last preseason

 

[Azul]

We'll give Hartlett one last chance. I honestly can't see what the hype is with this kid. Injuries aren't the problem - I remember one game at Telstra Dome last year. He had no injury yet looked lost and was benched much of the game.

Edwards is another; he can take the occasional mark but just doesn't impose himself on the game.

Setanta would be better than those two for physical presence but might be squeezed out of our best 22?

Kruezer showed he can kick a goal but with his hip condition do you really want him to be smashed around at such a young age?

So I guess that leaves Cloke. But if Warnock and Hampson come on as ruckman I just don't see we can carry that many talls.

Conclusion: No one. The much maligned flanker trio of Russell, Fisher and Wiggins will continue.

Russell Fisher Wiggins
Yarran Fevola Betts

Meanwhile, JK will kick 50 for the WCE!

 

[Azul]

Nope not related. But he's a better chf candidate than anyone on the list.

My half forward line? I think you'll find that was our match committee's for most of 2008, leading up towards the wings.

As I said, I think Kreuzer is still too young and fragile for CHF. As for Murphy, isn't he a centre-square player? Other than those 2, we agree on 4 of the other players...