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i thinking trent west might get struck down with the one week general soreness bug..
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whose turn for general soreness this week?
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Why? He was great in the ruck - much better than Blake if you ask me - and although he didn't register a stat, he honestly didn't need to. Offered decent leads a few times, and was far more accountable than Blake was. Having said that, I do like Mumford, but West keeps his spot in my team.
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not potting his game at all, just seems to be fringe players or bordeline players get struck down by the mystery soreness. i like his game and its a great opportunity for him.
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He was the only player for either side last night not to have stuffed up a possession
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How was Blake unaccountable? Somebody comments on a possible selection, and a negative comment about Blake emerges again, as if it is even true, and not even relevant. Westy has great promise and helped us last night, but Blakey gave his all, and was effective too. But how can ZERO stats be better than what Blake offered? It's not as if all Blake's touches are clangers. Bomber has anointed Blakey #1 ruck in Ottens' absence, justifiably, so let's get used to it. We did much better with 2 rucks against Pies, as opposed to 1 against Tigers, and that is what counts . Hopefully the responsibilty of Blakey's challenge, and some pressure by West +/_ Mummy, will further enhance Blake's performances.
Didn't actually watch the game (listened on radio) so not sure what to make of the whole Blake, West vs. Fraser battle. Obviously Fraser did ok, and was almost able to put 3 goals on the board, but at the same time it seems we won the majority of hitouts and clearances, and Blake was able to feature in several passages of play.
People say West played his part, but to not register a single stat is a bit of a concern (Paul Chambers the donut king!). Think West is a lot better than that! Be interesting to see what Bomber made of it all and whether or not the Mumford Man will get his gig....(btw is he playing in the 2's)
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I noticed at the game that West did a far better job on Fraser around the ground than Blake did in terms of not letting him get free. You will notice that Fraser was indeed a massive influence for them, and you have to look at the reasons for this. This, as I stated all along is my opinion.
You ask why I drag up Blakes name - the OP refers to Trent West as a possible omission for next week, he is a ruckman. There are two ruckman in our side currently, West and (oh my god) Blake. Naturally when discussing the make up of our side, you have to look at guys who play the same position and compare their performances. I did not say that Blake didn't offer anything, infact much of the time he was the only one out there giving an option across half back. Quite obviously Blake is our number 1 ruckman while Ottens is out, but to suggest that we might drop West after putting in a performance that was up there with Blakes (as far as I am concerned) is quite wrong.
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Did you see Blake and midfield working together at the start of the last quarter. It was bloody awesome. Blakey was tapping them staright into our midfields hands and they were clearing it with aplomb. Blakey took Bartel, Ling, Ablett aside and told them exactly what he was going to do and he did it. Great work Blakey! But of course you Blake baggers can never see the forest for the trees.
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How ironic. I am not, and never have been a 'Blake bagger'. I criticized his game last night because I simply could not believe how many times he fed it down a Collingwood players throat. Now this is obviously not 100% Blakes fault - the midfielders need to be in the right spot - and perhaps I have just been spoiled by Brad Ottens tap work (which I class as the best in the game), but it stuck out to me massively last night. He wins the majority of his taps, so if he can direct them a little better then the loss of Ottens will be greatly covered over.
We have the best midfield in the comp we don't need a Cox clone chipping across HB and getting cheap stats. Ottens is good because he can go forward, take contested marks and kick goals (behinds lately
) but Blake killed them at the ruck bounces and that is all that really matters. The problem with Blake is when he gets beat in the taps e.g. against Sandilands last year but there was nothing wrong with his game last night.
As for general soreness, we really are the PC club.
West is the only ruck option with Ottens/Mumford injured, Tomahawk is the best option for FF, Varcoe had a good game and Byrnes is the lovechild so it is difficult to see who would be dropped *cough* I mean have general soreness this week.
West is the only ruck option with Ottens/Mumford injured, Tomahawk is the best option for FF, Varcoe had a good game and Byrnes is the lovechild so it is difficult to see who would be dropped *cough* I mean have general soreness this week.
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What annoys me about Blake, is that he doesn't follow up the play. He does the tap work and then stops. On a few occasions last night, he and Fraser would compete at the centre bounce and then a few seconds later, Fraser was free to receive a handball and launch Collingwood forward. Blake hasn't been accountable for 60 games now and I just don't get why Bomber lets it slide. Every game, he lets his opponent run off (not that ruckmen run off) or doesn't apply support for teammates. Again last night, I think Corey was clearing the ball from CHB and Blake just ran along side him and didn't realise a Collingwood player was coming along beside him until it was too late to put on an effective shepard.
Other than his unaccountability and awareness, he is a good 2nd and tap ruckman. Just shows how important Otto is.
Other than his unaccountability and awareness, he is a good 2nd and tap ruckman. Just shows how important Otto is.
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As for the topic of this actual thread, I think Ling will miss the Adelaide game due to his ankle injury. Not dependant on the VFL game, David Johnson should come in as tagger.
And since when did the term 'structure' become so popular in the AFL? Has anyone noticed this? Almost an overnight sensation. It's so general and doesn't even really refer to anything. 'We lost our structures.' Which means 'we lost our brains for a little bit until we realised Hawthorn were actually coming back and then we found them again.' Nathan Buckley uses the term at least once a quarter while commentating. It seems Leigh Matthews has caught on as well. And why can't he pronounce Milburn? It's a (or an) 'u' not an 'o'.
Of my detective work from the past couple of weeks, I think it means something like all players doing their role. Last nights game cracked the mystery code for me. Kelly is playing the Josh Hunt role atm (deep, lock down defender and doing it well I should say) and Bartel is playing the Harley role (clean, strong marks across half back, good to see). They are keeping the team structure. Ah! So simple.
What do my ramblings mean - if you've even read this far, you're to be commended - is that to keep the structure of Ling's role in the team, we need another tagger. This is David Johnson. David Johnson can't come in and play down back because he will be stuffing up the structure. Kelly and Bartel are already there keeping the structure all together.
It actually isn't rocket science when you think about it. But that's just my interpretation.
And since when did the term 'structure' become so popular in the AFL? Has anyone noticed this? Almost an overnight sensation. It's so general and doesn't even really refer to anything. 'We lost our structures.' Which means 'we lost our brains for a little bit until we realised Hawthorn were actually coming back and then we found them again.' Nathan Buckley uses the term at least once a quarter while commentating. It seems Leigh Matthews has caught on as well. And why can't he pronounce Milburn? It's a (or an) 'u' not an 'o'.
Of my detective work from the past couple of weeks, I think it means something like all players doing their role. Last nights game cracked the mystery code for me. Kelly is playing the Josh Hunt role atm (deep, lock down defender and doing it well I should say) and Bartel is playing the Harley role (clean, strong marks across half back, good to see). They are keeping the team structure. Ah! So simple.
What do my ramblings mean - if you've even read this far, you're to be commended - is that to keep the structure of Ling's role in the team, we need another tagger. This is David Johnson. David Johnson can't come in and play down back because he will be stuffing up the structure. Kelly and Bartel are already there keeping the structure all together.
It actually isn't rocket science when you think about it. But that's just my interpretation.
I think some people have a point re: Blake.
Personally, I think we have worries in the ruck.
Quite simply, if Ottens goes down, we struggle there. Big time.
Blake tries hard but is ineffective around the ground. That we have been monstered by ruckmen from quarter time of Round 2 onwards is no coincidence.
I don't think Ottens has much longer. He's always struck me as a player who will retire early due to his body.
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was talking to Smithy at a family Easter do today and he said there was a lot of sore guys after last night but nothing to worry about. Very glad of the longer break of next weeks game , Got a good laugh out of Steve J getting angry with the runner who tried to put a towel on his nose after he hurt it.
I don't know how you can not see what they mean when commenting about structure.
Scarlett and Taylor went off causing Milburn and Lonergan to play tall. They were struggling to compete with Buddy and Roughie which meant smalls would also contest in the air to curtail the dominance. That left us with a lack of height and too many commiting to the contest. That's a loss of structure in the backline.
3 options I don't mind.
1. Gamble in Rooke as tagger
2. Hogan in Enright as tagger
3. Djerkurra in as a tagger
I think Djerkurra with his strong tackling, speed and tenacity could be very effective although I worry about opposition isolating him down back.
Scarlett and Taylor went off causing Milburn and Lonergan to play tall. They were struggling to compete with Buddy and Roughie which meant smalls would also contest in the air to curtail the dominance. That left us with a lack of height and too many commiting to the contest. That's a loss of structure in the backline.
3 options I don't mind.
1. Gamble in Rooke as tagger
2. Hogan in Enright as tagger
3. Djerkurra in as a tagger
I think Djerkurra with his strong tackling, speed and tenacity could be very effective although I worry about opposition isolating him down back.
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to be honest with everyone my thread was a bit of a joke but seems to have spawned serious debate. i personally would like an unchanged team for next week unless genuine injury not this general soreness rubbish the club is peddling..
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Is it really rubbish though? Stokes was omitted for 'general soreness' last week, and wasn't running around in the VFL. Hogan's out with general soreness this week and IIRC, he hasn't been named in the VFL side. If they were both dropped, you'd assume that they would have played in the VFL, yet they're being rested for the week.
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It took me a few weeks, but I see what it means now. I had an idea, but it's just been so overused recently. Like 'a credit to the boys.'
I like your 3 options as well. Gamble in Rooke as tagger is the best, but I'd prefer Rooke to stay around half-forward. Ling's supposedly fine anyway.
And yes, Djerrkura really needs to be given game time this year, otherwise we'll have another Prismall situation.
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