Opinion Why are the interstate teams so bad? How do we fix them?

[Blackas87]

? 13 out of 15 premiers have been Victorian. This is not just a port problem.

Freo, Crows, Gold Coast, GWS and Brissy should also work out why haven’t got it don’t the past 15 years, not rocket science

 

[rainwizard39]

Need an enquiry why Port couldn’t get it done lmao

Ken Hinkley. But no neutral supporter ever listens to us when we say ken is the problem.

 

[WestCoast05]

Interstate teams coast through the season on home ground advantage only to get found out when it matters.

Nothing to do with where the grand final is played, which I’m sure is what this thread will turn into. It’s an easy excuse.

Is home advantage not offset by away disadvantage?

Off course where a game is played matters? What kind of low IQ statement is that?
Studies have conclusively proved this - there are multibillion dollar sports leagues out there beyond our semi-professional parochial game - this really has been looked into believe it or not.

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

Freo, Crows, Gold Coast, GWS and Brissy should also work out why haven’t got it don’t the past 15 years, not rocket science

This is an AFL wide problem.. obviously something is wrong

 

[Lsta062]

Probably this:
http://beyondthegame.tv/which-afl-teams-travel-the-most/

Yeah I think that argument has been quashed in the last 2 years. There were Victorian teams that have been sent off to all sorts of places during this time and the GF included 2 Vic teams each time.

Mind you, the Vic teams kicked out the non-Vic teams on their own turf during that time.

 

[Rich01]

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[MooreTreloar]

How many of those years did an non Victorian team lose a home preliminary final resulting in the Victorian team that beat them winning the flag?

2015 - Fremantle lost to Hawthorn
2016 - GWS lost to Western Bulldogs

Any I’m missing any?

They’ve had the opportunities, they just haven’t taken them.

 

[wedgetail]

10 bites lol. People follow one club. Go tell saint and Carlton supporters how lucky they are and the disadvantage that West Coast get with as they spend the same off field as every other club

There are 10 clubs in Victoria. There will always be at least a couple of Victorian clubs in contention. Add in the inherent victorian advantage in finals and this means that Victoria as a market will always win more flags. As is being shown over the past decade.

Equalisation please

 

[Blackas87]

This is an AFL wide problem.. obviously something is wrong

The clubs that haven’t got it done have a problem. Port getting belted tonight isn’t a league wide problem

 

[Blackas87]

There are 10 clubs in Victoria. There will always be at least a couple of Victorian clubs in contention. Add in the inherent victorian advantage in finals and this means that Victoria as a market will always win more flags. As is being shown over the past decade.

Equalisation please

People follow one club, people don’t get excited when another Vic club wins.

Vic finals advantage. No finals played in vic this year, or last year

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Is home advantage not offset by away disadvantage?

Off course where a game is played matters? What kind of low IQ statement is that?
Studies have conclusively proved this - there are multibillion dollar sports leagues out there beyond our semi-professional parochial game - this really has been looked into believe it or not.

The grand final being played at the G does not matter. Interstate teams are struggling to make the grand final despite hosting plenty of home finals.

It’s a totally different argument.

 

[WestCoast05]

Why'd you use that stat? Stop the year after a 6 year streak of non-vic sides winning the premiership? I guess 8 of 20 was too proportional to the number of vic vs. non vic sides in the comp?

Agree on this.
It's not like non-Victorian teams havent made it to GFs either.

That said it's definitely trending in a certain direction. We'll see what continues to unfold.

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

The grand final being played at the G does not matter. Interstate teams are struggling to make the grand final despite hosting plenty of home finals.

It’s a totally different argument.

But why are they losing, it’s obvious after the last 15 years that interstate teams need help of sorts.. I don’t understand how only 2 of 15 premiers have been non victorians

 

[spudmaster]

How about the interstate sides play their own little comp during the off-season and the winner can join in the season proper against the Vic teams? It might save some of this embarrassment every year.

 

[Foucault1989]

We need an official enquiry and equalisation measures. No one wants to watch Victorian clubs win flags on rotation because of inherent advantages

I do.

 

[WestCoast05]

The grand final being played at the G does not matter. Interstate teams are struggling to make the grand final despite hosting plenty of home finals.

It’s a totally different argument.

The premise of the thread is talking about in general, not just this season (not that I agree with the OP premise anyway).
Otherwise there would be no need to 'fix' them if we were looking at just this season in isolation.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

But why are they losing, it’s obvious after the last 15 years that interstate teams need help of sorts.. I don’t understand how only 2 of 15 premiers have been non victorians

Because an interstate teams ladder position is artificially inflated by having 10 true home games during the season. You only need to beat 2-3 Victorian shit kickers in Melbourne and that’s finals almost guaranteed.

15 years is an awfully convenient period mind you.

 

[Foucault1989]

There are 10 clubs in Victoria. There will always be at least a couple of Victorian clubs in contention. Add in the inherent victorian advantage in finals and this means that Victoria as a market will always win more flags. As is being shown over the past decade.

Equalisation please

Haha please. The poor West Coast Eagles with their massive empire in the West.

 

[wedgetail]

I do.

But you only support Carlton and gain no pleasure from other Victorian clubs winning the flag? Just want to be sure here because we keep getting mixed messages from Victorian fans.

 

[kaiserchief13]

I think it's to do with free agency. Since free agency came in, what are the stats?

 

[Blue1980]

? 13 out of 15 premiers have been Victorian. This is not just a port problem.

Just the way it sometimes goes, we don’t give flags out in a rotational basis.

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

Because an interstate teams ladder position is artificially inflated by having 10 true home games during the season. You only need to beat 2-3 Victorian sh*t kickers in Melbourne and that’s finals almost guaranteed.

15 years is an awfully convenient period mind you.

So you’re saying we inflate our ladder position by our home games? So we are worst than what it appears, shouldn’t an enquiry happen then if that’s the case?

Non Victorian teams every year travel the most and teams like Carlton barely leave Victoria. No doubt must come into play.

 

[Rich01]

There are 10 clubs in Victoria. There will always be at least a couple of Victorian clubs in contention. Add in the inherent victorian advantage in finals and this means that Victoria as a market will always win more flags. As is being shown over the past decade.

Equalisation please

Nah. Don’t discount the impotence of the non Vic teams this year.

WA teams hopeless and couldnt crack a finals spot.
Brisbane with a home final and couldn’t get it done.

NSW teams couldn’t get it done.

Port with two home finals and couldn’t do it.

Melb and Bulldogs playing away and neutral finals. Incredible effort.

 

[Blue1980]

So what has changed between those years and the last 15? Why in the last 15 years only two have won

I don’t know, why did Dees win 6 flags in 10 years 54-64 and zero since?

The last 2 years Vic sides more disadvantaged than anyone really in finals and both times all Vic GFs. Sometimes just how it goes.

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

Just the way it sometimes goes, we don’t give flags out in a rotational basis.

Yeah but clearly something is wrong if interstate teams have a 2 out of 15 premiership record