Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today.... part 2

[Chief]

Reminder: This isn't the Israel/Hamas thread. Go to the Israel/Hamas thread if you want to talk about that. Thanks.

Mid East - Israel declare war after Hamas attack II

Part I: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/israel-declare-war-after-hamas-attack.1371828/page-47#post-81443295 Thread Rules: Alright. I recognise that this is a fraught topic for any number of you posting here. Some of you will have family in Israel or Palestine. Some of you will have...

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From this point if you're going to make a connection between Islam and the crime rate, you need to demonstrate causation in your post. If you do not, I'm going to infract you for the inherent racism in the position you're taking.

 

[eastfreo75]

The bigger question in my opinion is why do you wish to kill people for leaving your god damned religion? it's not a small number either. More than 3/4th of pakistanis believe people should be killed for not believing in that war monger?

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Is there numbers for Muslims who don’t want sharia law?

 

[Freomaniac]

How's Tehran in Iran going?

I heard Iran has a massive water problem or water crisis at the moment.

But they can afford to buy missiles lol

 

[Freomaniac]

Fresh water and salt water have different density and in a lot of tidal rivers they do remain separate with fresh water sitting on top. Might have been a pretty handy survival tip in a world where fresh water was regularly scarce. However, the bigger issue is that you're doing what the fundamentalists of both Christianity and Islam do and use their own modern literal interpretation of scripture - ignoring the centuries of agreed meaning by scholars who study scripture and related texts for decades.

Again ..... Please ask me how's Iran doing with their supply of fresh drinking water lol

 

[WeightOfTheWorld]

The West and Islam have clashed since the mid-seventh century - essentially there has been 14 centuries of war between Islam and the West - any student of military history would know this - many battles have been won and lost from France to the Middle-East. Each side has had crushing defeats, and stirring victories.

The history of these battles is well documented across original sources in Arabic and Greek - just to name a few. Many historians have documented these in easy to read format. Anyone with a basic interest, and moderate intellect, can surely muster up a few dollars and purchase a book to read as such.

Two centuries ago, Europe, which had experienced more than one millennium of Muslim conquests and atrocities, finally defeated Islam - for a while, Islam retreated into obscurity. The history is fascinating.

Have a read sometime - if you can drag yourself away from your grimy smartphone.

 

[sr36]

Again ..... Please ask me how's Iran doing with their supply of fresh drinking water lol

How is drought and an atrocious government's poor mmt of their water supply relevant?

 

[sr36]

The West and Islam have clashed since the mid-seventh century - essentially there has been 14 centuries of war between Islam and the West - any student of military history would know this - many battles have been won and lost from France to the Middle-East. Each side has had crushing defeats, and stirring victories.

The history of these battles is well documented across original sources in Arabic and Greek - just to name a few. Many historians have documented these in easy to read format. Anyone with a basic interest, and moderate intellect, can surely muster up a few dollars and purchase a book to read as such.

Two centuries ago, Europe, which had experienced more than one millennium of Muslim conquests and atrocities, finally defeated Islam - for a while, Islam retreated into obscurity. The history is fascinating.

Have a read sometime - if you can drag yourself away from your grimy smartphone.

Jeez who would have thought that there's been a heap of wars and conquests in Eurasia and that religion has played a significant role in many of them...

 

[Chief]

Jeez who would have thought that there's been a heap of wars and conquests in Eurasia and that religion has played a significant role in many of them...

Thank you, you saved me a few dollars on a book.

Back to my grimy smart phone.

 

[sr36]

Thank you, you saved me a few dollars on a book.

Back to my grimy smart phone.

The cheaper alternative is to clean your phone. You'll find a whole lot of stuff about historical battles hiding behind the grime.

 

[WeightOfTheWorld]

Thank you, you saved me a few dollars on a book.

Back to my grimy smart phone.

So has Islam changed since those heady days of rampaging across Europe for the best part of 1000 years? Or has the West?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

So has Islam changed since those heady days of rampaging across Europe for the best part of 1000 years? Or has the West?

By 'the West' are you referring to predominantly white christian nations?

Because yes, those have changed. They have done apartheid, genocides, holocausts and dropped nuclear bombs, among other things.

You support that, yeah?

 

[FlowersByIrene]

By 'the West' are you referring to predominantly white christian nations?

Because yes, those have changed. They have done apartheid, genocides, holocausts and dropped nuclear bombs, among other things.

You support that, yeah?

Imagine being this obtuse, but doing it genuinely.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Imagine being this obtuse, but doing it genuinely.

Imagine being a christofascist and wanting a philosopher king.

 

[sr36]

So has Islam changed since those heady days of rampaging across Europe for the best part of 1000 years? Or has the West?

Be consistent. Why are referring to "the West" and everything that means that goes well beyond religion, yet referring to other regions as "Islam"?

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Be consistent. Why are referring to "the West" and everything that means that goes well beyond religion, yet referring to other regions as "Islam"?

Because Islam does not agree in separation of church and state, and therefore can be considered one and the same, whereas the 'West' does not. Pretty simple stuff....

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Imagine being a christofascist and wanting a philosopher king.

See the difference is, that's fantasy. I'm not a christofascist (put aside the philsopher king point, because you don't understand it, so there's no point discussing it). Whereas your point was set out in your own words. It almost appears as if you don't know what you're talking about again...

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Because Islam does not agree in separation of church and state, and therefore can be considered one and the same, whereas the 'West' does not. Pretty simple stuff....

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[sr36]

Because Islam does not agree in separation of church and state, and therefore can be considered one and the same, whereas the 'West' does not. Pretty simple stuff....

There's a fair few Islamic countries that are secular and a heap of Islamic scholars that advocate secularism. It's not a centralised religion. There's a really vast range of sects that vary enormously.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

There's a fair few Islamic countries that are secular and a heap of Islamic scholars that advocate secularism. It's not a centralised religion. There's a really vast range of sects that vary enormously.

Sure, but that's all just window dressing to dance around the issue that is the inherent violence and supremacy at the heart of Islam and I don't really get this whole "UgHa, aKtuAlLy, the WeSt is WoRsE" logic, other than just blind sadism or some innate fear that a stranger on the internet might, oh god, consider you to be slightly non-politically correct.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Sure, but that's all just window dressing to dance around the issue that is the inherent violence and supremacy at the heart of Islam and I don't really get this whole "UgHa, aKtuAlLy, the WeSt is WoRsE" logic, other than just blind sadism or some innate fear that a stranger on the internet might, oh god, consider you to be slightly non-politically correct.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

By 'the West' are you referring to predominantly white christian nations?

Because yes, those have changed. They have done apartheid, genocides, holocausts and dropped nuclear bombs, among other things.

You support that, yeah?

Is Spain white?

Spain kicked out the Muslims, A heap of them escaped to norther Africa, where the best job available seemed to be Pirate. The Islamic pirates formed alliances with the Ottomans.

They captured so many ships and enslaved so many ships crews ( and land based ) Europeans , that the USA decided to build a Navy. ( Paying a fee to pass unhindered prior to the Navy being ready ).
Sicilian and Italian ( are they white? , it really gets into degree's of tan ness, if you insist on colour coding people. ) coastal dwellers copped it badly, they even took 250 people ( mostly women ) from a coastal town in England during one raid.
All of this was while proudly waving the Islamic flag.

Now people, being simple folk, tend to see you going round doing hateful horrible stuff in the name of Islam, and kind of ....hate them for it.

The Greeks ( who look very similar to Palestinians in skin tone to my untrained eyes ) , also hated them , ( the Ottomans ) , since they had over run Greece. They got pissed off and kicked them out....racist bloody Greeks .

 

[sr36]

Sure, but that's all just window dressing to dance around the issue that is the inherent violence and supremacy at the heart of Islam and I don't really get this whole "UgHa, aKtuAlLy, the WeSt is WoRsE" logic, other than just blind sadism or some innate fear that a stranger on the internet might, oh god, consider you to be slightly non-politically correct.

Nah. You trying to portray the Iranian regime or the Taliban as the entirety of Islam is the window dressing.

But yes the Islamic right, like the Christian right in the States, is going through a shithouse phase where modern readings of ancient texts that ignore centuries of agreed meaning by religious scholars have gained a heap of traction. It's all a part of the modern internet thing where people ignore experts and think they are experts from reading a series of biased persuasive bunk.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Effing disgraceful.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

So has Islam changed since those heady days of rampaging across Europe for the best part of 1000 years? Or has the West?

As an atheist, I agree it’s a concern when religions with wide followings have failed in many respects to accept the scientific proofs we’ve seen arriving at an astonishing rate since the Enlightement, which have done so much to bring about this wonderful modern world we enjoy.

But I’d say two things in response.

(A) Don’t go letting Christianity off the hook so easily. It is not monolithic, and you only have to look at the totally deranged Christian Nationalists in the US who got Trump into power, for evidence that some branches of Christianity are still well and truly stuck in the dark ages. If you’re going to have a crack at Islam you’d better be having a crack at them (and some very dark corners of the Roman Catholic Church too).

(B) The sort of solutions that people offer to this supposed crisis always have at least a whiff of 1933 Germany about them.

So I say you just have to accept how things are.

 

[WeightOfTheWorld]

By 'the West' are you referring to predominantly white christian nations?

Because yes, those have changed. They have done apartheid, genocides, holocausts and dropped nuclear bombs, among other things.

You support that, yeah?

Not at all.

I am referring to the lands of the old Roman Empire - parts of Europe, all of North Africa, Egypt, Syria and Asia Minor - which were Christian centuries before Islam arrived.

I sense many people in this thread have a poor grasp of history - they would do well to read the many books on this matter.

You could do a lot worse to start by familiarizing yourself with the Arab invasion of Roman Syria in 634 - a territory that at the time encompassed modern-day Israel, Jordan and Palestine territories. This was a profoundly Christian area.

This was a successful raid - with the Arabs slaughtering and pillaging as they went. With these successes, many more eager volunteers swarmed into Syria unabated from Arabia - including the notorious Khalid bin al-Walid.

Now off you go and study.

 

[Chief]

Why do people have to rock up and act like w***ers?