Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today.... part 2

[Chief]

Reminder: This isn't the Israel/Hamas thread. Go to the Israel/Hamas thread if you want to talk about that. Thanks.

Mid East - Israel declare war after Hamas attack II

Part I: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/israel-declare-war-after-hamas-attack.1371828/page-47#post-81443295 Thread Rules: Alright. I recognise that this is a fraught topic for any number of you posting here. Some of you will have family in Israel or Palestine. Some of you will have...

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Thread rules update:

From this point if you're going to make a connection between Islam and the crime rate, you need to demonstrate causation in your post. If you do not, I'm going to infract you for the inherent racism in the position you're taking.

 

[Malifice]

Well, as long as you're consistent with other posters who keep bringing up other topics other than Islam, because I literally have a bloke directly under your post asking why I'm not talking about groups other than Islam.

Tell me what you want.

You want to talk about ISIS and Salafi Wahabism, then lets talk about that.

I'll start. 'They're shitcampaigners with a dangerous fundamental literal interpretation of the Quran that lends itself to extremism and terror. They should be roundly called out and opposed at every step'.

See, that's not that hard is it?

 

[bzparkes]

I eagerly await your passionate posting about Christians in the appropriate thread given how much time and energy you've spent on Muslims who are a much, much less influential and problematic group in countries like Australia and the US right now.

I post in this thread because people keep quoting me.

For the record, my views on Christianity(or religion as a whole) isn't much different from view expressed in this thread.

I'll happily give you my honest thoughts on Theravada Buddhists in Thailand, if you're interested in my opinion on those drug-dealing, money-grubbing scammers but that's a topic for another thread

 

[bzparkes]

You want to talk about ISIS and Salafi Wahabism, then lets talk about that.

I'll start. 'They're shitcampaigners with a dangerous fundamental literal interpretation of the Quran that lends itself to extremism and terror. They should be roundly called out and opposed at every step'.

See, that's not that hard is it?

Perfect, finally something we can all agree on.

Hopefully.

 

[Malifice]

Ok fair enough but for the record, I've never once said Muslim immigration needs to be stopped.

It's the natural conclusion of your argument though. Plus, you're making sweeping generalizations of over 1 billion people.

If you can acknowledge that most of those 1 billion plus people are not shit campaigners, but there certainly are some that are (those with a fundamental interpretation of the Quran, and not a more liberal interpretation) then maybe we can agree that labelling all Muslims (even ones you can see in front of your face as left leaning, non-radicalized normal people who assimilate just fine) as 'dangerous' or 'breeding too fast' or whatever, is straying into bigotry.

Lets talk about the shit campaigners, without broad generalizations of all Muslims as 'more prone to crime and rape who breed too fast and are trying to change our laws to suit themselves' as you've stated already in this thread (multiple times).

 

[Malifice]

Perfect, finally something we can all agree on.

Hopefully.

Mate I am no fan of Islam (or any other religion) and I acknowledge that among all the Abrahamic faiths, Islam is the most prone to radicalisation, fundamentalism and more.

Islamic terrorism is the number 1 threat at the moment (followed closely by Right wing nutters).

Its just in the same way I'm not going to label all Conservatives as 'Right wing nut jobs, who embrace terrorism, and breed to fast' or lump your average Liberal party voter in with the Neo Nazi flogs doing mass shootings, Im not going to do the same lumping ISIS in with billions of other Muslims that dont agree or support that group, and indeed oppose it (and its methods).

 

[Malifice]

bzparkes

Would you be comfortable with me associating or blaming all Conservative/ Liberal party voters in with the Neo Nazis?

If not (and I assume you wouldn't be) why should we lump all Muslims in with the Salaffi Jihadis?

 

[bzparkes]

bzparkes

Would you be comfortable with me associating or blaming all Conservative/ Liberal party voters in with the Neo Nazis?

If not (and I assume you wouldn't be) why should we lump all Muslims in with the Salaffi Jihadis?

Have I ever done that?

 

[Malifice]

Have I ever done that?

Yes. Often.

You've never said (or implied) 'we should ban/ look at immigration by Salafi Jihadis' or 'Salafi Jihadis are responsible for massive surges in rapes and crime'.

It's always been 'Muslims'. Almost as if you view 'Muslims' as a generalized, monolithic bloc, as if all Muslims think, act and feel the same.

I know you're using generalizations, and don't actually think this by the way, but that's how it comes across.

I could (using the logic you yourself have used in this thread about the 'Muslim threat') point to Neo-Nazis and White nationalists and similar RWNJ flogs, and then from there proceed to label all people with Conservative beliefs as a threat.

I'll certainly be critical of conservative thought (just like I am critical of religious thought) but that doesnt mean I lump the actions of the minority in with the broader majority.

Do you acknowledge that at the far reaches of conservative thought, you have fascists and Neo Nazis and radicalized idiots doing mass shootings, the Jan 6th insurrection in the USA and blowing up buildings (Timothy McVeigh)?

If so, what should be done about 'conservatives' or 'conservative political ideology'?

Or should we perhaps leave conservatives alone, to vote and do whatever they want (as long as its not harming anyone else). and go after the extremist nutters instead?

 

[bzparkes]

Yes. Often.

You've never said (or implied) 'we should ban/ look at immigration by Salafi Jihadis' or 'Salafi Jihadis are responsible for massive surges in rapes and crime'.

I may have implied it but this wasn't my intention.

The unfortunate fact is that Jihadis will hide themselves amongst regular refugees/asylum-seekers, hence my call for stricter vetting.

It's always been 'Muslims'. Almost as if you view 'Muslims' as a generalized, monolithic bloc, as if all Muslims think, act and feel the same.

I'm certainly don' think that way and will be more careful to specify in future to avoid misconceptions about my beliefs surrounding muslims.

I know you're using generalizations, and don't actually think this by the way, but that's how it comes across.

Duly noted.

I could (using the logic you yourself have used in this thread about the 'Muslim threat') point to Neo-Nazis and White nationalists and similar RWNJ flogs, and then from there proceed to label all people with Conservative beliefs as a threat.

Depending on your lifestyle/sexuality/beliefs, conservative beliefs could indeed be considered a threat in some ways.

I'll certainly be critical of conservative thought (just like I am critical of religious thought) but that doesnt mean I lump the actions of the minority in with the broader majority.

I don't either, I should make that more clear in future to avoid a misunderstanding.

Do you acknowledge that at the far reaches of conservative thought, you have fascists and Neo Nazis and radicalized idiots doing mass shootings, the Jan 6th insurrection in the USA and blowing up buildings (Timothy McVeigh)?

Of course I do. It's well-documented.

If so, what should be done about 'conservatives' or 'conservative political ideology'?

Or should we perhaps leave conservatives alone, to vote and do whatever they want (as long as its not harming anyone else). and go after the extremist nutters instead?

Extremist nutters should always be the ones 'gone after', however just like anyone, if they keep their intrusive thoughts to themselves and don't act on them, or attempt to influence anyone, they should also be left alone.

Of course, that's impossible for extremists of any kind though.

 

[JackOutback]

Again, what is the title of this thread and the topic of discussion?

You say this a lot when people question your 'obsession' over Muslim people. But if you're not posting in any of the other threads, it's fair to say you're far more invested in Muslims than, say right wing fanatics in the US.

 

[bzparkes]

You say this a lot when people question your 'obsession' over Muslim people. But if you're not posting in any of the other threads, it's fair to say you're far more invested in Muslims than, say right wing fanatics in the US.

I literally said just before it's because people keep on quoting me, which is why I'm here.

I'll naturally go away if people don't quote me.

 

[sr36]

So when we have drought we blame the Muslims and when we have floods we blame the Muslims.
How do you propose we blame Muslims when it's not flooding or drought?
Are there any Muslims from temperate climates we can blame for good weather?

Now that so many Muslims have been released into our atmosphere, there will be no such thing as temperate weather.

 

[evolved2]

^^^There's a lot of filler in this thread.

 

[faible]

This is what I can offer this pathetic site that is run by the less intelligent

Alright ya fools, I'll be back later with more thought provoking comments if I'm not banned by that dip sh*t Gethelred.

 

[Chief]

I don't blame Mohammedans for anything, it's the communists/globalists

 

[Trouto]

You want to talk about ISIS and Salafi Wahabism, then lets talk about that.

I'll start. 'They're shitcampaigners with a dangerous fundamental literal interpretation of the Quran that lends itself to extremism and terror. They should be roundly called out and opposed at every step'.

See, that's not that hard is it?

the Islamic versions of Westboro Baptists.

and the Zionists in Israel

all religion have extremists, we just hope they dont get into power

thats the magic of having a big book that is so wishy-washy in its words and meaning - it can be interpreted any way you like

 

[Rusty Brookes]

When people say all Muslims are anti-gay, I always point to groups like this

Home - Sydney Queer Muslims

Supporting Queer Muslims with social support, counselling services and spiritual education.

sydneyqueermuslims.org.au

or this lot

Explore Muslims for Progressive Values with MPV

Discover how Muslims for Progressive Values advances human rights and inclusive Muslim values. Learn more and take action with MPV today.

www.mpvusa.org

OK - they might be in the minority but they do exist. Maybe I'm naive but I like to think Muslims who live in strong secular countries like ours are more likely to go more secular than the religious extremist route.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

When people say all Muslims are anti-gay, I always point to groups like this

Home - Sydney Queer Muslims

Supporting Queer Muslims with social support, counselling services and spiritual education.

sydneyqueermuslims.org.au

or this lot

Explore Muslims for Progressive Values with MPV

Discover how Muslims for Progressive Values advances human rights and inclusive Muslim values. Learn more and take action with MPV today.

www.mpvusa.org

OK - they might be in the minority but they do exist. Maybe I'm naive but I like to think Muslims who live in strong secular countries like ours are more likely to go more secular than the religious extremist route.

It the largest religion in Bosnia but they still have this.

BIH Pride March - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Gets some protests but then the Catholics probably aren't happy either.

 

[BigPond101]

I hate islam with all my heart. It's called being ahead of the curb

 

[Trouto]

I hate islam with all my heart. It's called being ahead of the curb

are you religious?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I hate islam with all my heart. It's called being ahead of the curb

Ahead of the curve is a reference to average, where it suggests that , if you graphed a curve of average results, you are ahead of them. ie more advanced or progressive.
Ahead of the curb means you are standing on the road and will probably get hit by a bus, and you are not ahead of the curve.

 

[BigPond101]

I would take a combination of 1 million Vietnamese, Chinese and Indian immigrants before I would admit another Muslim

Islam hates multiculturalism because it demands only 1 culture and all others be beheaded

 

[BigPond101]

Also every other culture on Earth assimilates more after 1, 2, 3, 4 generations etc. Vietnamese the classic example

Whereas Muslims hate the host country more in the 2nd generation, even more in the 3rd, and even more in tne 4th, etc

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I would take a combination of 1 million Vietnamese, Chinese and Indian immigrants before I would admit another Muslim

Islam hates multiculturalism because it demands only 1 culture and all others be beheaded

What about Muslim Vietnamese?

 

[Trouto]

Also every other culture on Earth assimilates more after 1, 2, 3, 4 generations etc. Vietnamese the classic example

Whereas Muslims hate the host country more in the 2nd generation, even more in the 3rd, and even more in tne 4th, etc

got proof?