Why is this bizzare conjecture.

[teams]

Whoa, this thread's more outta control than NET's bizarre conjecture that space naturally exists!

Conjecture is fair enough. But bizarre. If one sensible answer appears as to why such an idea is bizarre, be surprised.

 

[funkyfreo]

Conjecture is fair enough. But bizarre. If one sensible answer appears as to why such an idea is bizarre, be surprised.

I avoided the whole thread this is based upon as much as I could - is it the GOd is Folklore?

Anyway - I'm sitting here, things are on the floor, there are walls and stuff, and things seem to be 3-D, and a few seconds have passed since I started typing. So at the risk of knowing none of the background, I'm siding with Notenoughteams on this one.

 

[MonkeyButterer]

I avoided the whole thread this is based upon as much as I could - is it the GOd is Folklore?

Anyway - I'm sitting here, things are on the floor, there are walls and stuff, and things seem to be 3-D, and a few seconds have passed since I started typing. So at the risk of knowing none of the background, I'm siding with Notenoughteams on this one.

Thats your first mistake.

Go read the drivel in question (wading through neck-deep **********e might be adequate preparation for reading his/her posts on the subject) and see if you still side with NEWT.

 

[funkyfreo]

Thats your first mistake.

Go read the drivel in question (wading through neck-deep **********e might be adequate preparation for reading his/her posts on the subject) and see if you still side with NEWT.

No way!!!!

All I mean that space is as natural as anything else. If space is not natural then nothing is natural, in fact the word natural ceases to exist because it only applies to things that are not naturally occuring, because they occur in space.

 

[otaku]

No way!!!!

All I mean that space is as natural as anything else. If space is not natural then nothing is natural, in fact the word natural ceases to exist because it only applies to things that are not naturally occuring, because they occur in space.

But what created the 3 dimension?

NEWT reckons they have always been there - which is no better than say "god did" - and then he claims that is incontrovertible proof of the non existence of god.

now - surely you can see the logic flaw in that?

 

[funkyfreo]

But what created the 3 dimension?

NEWT reckons they have always been there - which is no better than say "god did" - and then he claims that is incontrovertible proof of the non existence of god.

now - surely you can see the logic flaw in that?

Ahhh - you mean before say the big bang, were there any dimensions? Well I admit I fail to see how space can exist where there is no space. Plus we can never know because we will never see back past the big bang. Becuase it was a singularaity. But I'm stretching my recollection of my stumbling physics degree now.

 

[otaku]

Ahhh - you mean before say the big bang, were there any dimensions? Well I admit I fail to see how space can exist where there is no space. Plus we can never know because we will never see back past the big bang. Becuase it was a singularaity. But I'm stretching my recollection of my stumbling physics degree now.

precisely - we will never know. But NEWT claims to know, and he claims that his ideas supersede the basic ideas of science that we have come up with so far.

His fanatical devotion to his ideas is astounding, especially when he can show no proof of his theories at all.

 

[funkyfreo]

precisely - we will never know. But NEWT claims to know, and he claims that his ideas supersede the basic ideas of science that we have come up with so far.

His fanatical devotion to his ideas is astounding, especially when he can show no proof of his theories at all.

he must be pretty smart eh?

 

[otaku]

he must be pretty smart eh?

he likes to think so

 

[skipper kelly]

Sportsbet have just posted there odds for how many posts this thread will contain. Update later.

There is also a bet where you can pick the most used word.

7/4 Nothing
5/2 Space
4/1 Tw@t
5/1 Natural
8/1 Exists
25/1 Lunatic

 

[otaku]

Sportsbet have just posted there odds for how many posts this thread will contain. Update later.

There is also a bet where you can pick the most used word.

7/4 Nothing
5/2 Space
4/1 Tw@t
5/1 Natural
8/1 Exists
25/1 Lunatic

this is NET thread:

$10 on tw@t

 

[skipper kelly]

this is NET thread:

$10 on tw@t

Yes I have been very generous with those odds.

7/2 Tw@t

 

[evo]

It does beg the question though, which I've never seen a satisfactory answer to.

What exhists outside the universe?

Ie. If the the universe started from the "big bang" and is expanding from that point,I think they call it a polarity,what is it expanding into?

 

[funkyfreo]

It does beg the question though, which I've never seen a satisfactory answer to.

What exhists outside the universe?

Ie. If the the universe started from the "big bang" and is expanding from that point,I think they call it a polarity,what is it expanding into?

I thought it was a singularity. But I can;t answer your question.

 

[Mr Q]

No way!!!!

All I mean that space is as natural as anything else. If space is not natural then nothing is natural, in fact the word natural ceases to exist because it only applies to things that are not naturally occuring, because they occur in space.

You should take your stumbling physics degree and read the infamous GiF thread - for a laugh if nothing else.

I think you'll particularly like the following assertions:
- The moon does not exert a gravitational pull on the Earth.
- Spheres have no center or the center of a sphere is a sphere.
- Time requires intelligence to exist (and the universe has exactly three dimensions).
- Time is just a counting of cycles (without allowing any definition of what the cycles are)
- People with Downs syndrome are a different species because they have a different number of chromosomes
- A vaccuum can only exist outside of the universe.
- Breadth is acceptable, but height isn't.

 

[evo]

Hey Groves.I'm new around these parts but why did you close the christianity thread? Maybe the title wasn't very flattering but there was loads of good information and discussion in there.

There's a 100 bloody threads on the middle east crisis.Why can't we have one discussing christianity.

I couldn't even work out which thread to lodge my potest as there are none others discussing the bible.

 

[bunsen burner]

I'm miffed as to why that thread was closed? There's no reasonable reason for it. 1300 odd posts and going strong.

Why lock it?

 

[teams]

Well somewhere between 1 and 2 sensible answers to the question so mildly surprised. (Not sure what you mean about breadth Mr Q and you have contradicted your self in your assessment of what I say time is, but the rest of your post is a fair critique. It wasn't regarded as sensible post, though, as it didn't address the question of the thread.)
It was figjam who stated that consideration of the three dimensions being natural existing is bizarre. The fraudulent agnostics from the christianity thread seem to reckon the same but can't be held responsible for what someone else posts.
If figjam doesn't want explain him self, his business.

 

[FIGJAM]

Conjecture is fair enough. But bizarre. If one sensible answer appears as to why such an idea is bizarre, be surprised.

But what created the 3 dimension?

NEWT reckons they have always been there - which is no better than say "god did" - and then he claims that is incontrovertible proof of the non existence of god.

now - surely you can see the logic flaw in that?

What otaku said.

I'm not stating that you contention that space "naturally existed" was bizzarre, I'm more bemused that it somehow disproved God! Apologies for the confusion.

My thoughts on space is that it is an unlimited plane of consciousness and that it is just one of an infinite number of planes within the greater Universe, with all of those planes being intrinsically linked. My contention is that consciousness naturally exists.

Now that's probably weirder than your theory, but I'm certainly not using it to state as a fact that God exists or doesn't exist, which again is the reason I think your "Folklore" thread was "bizarre"!

Eitherway, it's good that you have an interest in such stuff and you should probably do more reading into cosmology, science and spirituality. You might find that your theory will change over time.

 

[teams]

What otaku said.

I'm not stating that you contention that space "naturally existed" was bizzarre, I'm more bemused that it somehow disproved God! Apologies for the confusion.

My thoughts on space is that it is an unlimited plane of consciousness and that it is just one of an infinite number of planes within the greater Universe, with all of those planes being intrinsically linked. My contention is that consciousness naturally exists.

Now that's probably weirder than your theory, but I'm certainly not using it to state as a fact that God exists or doesn't exist, which again is the reason I think your "Folklore" thread was "bizarre"!

Eitherway, it's good that you have an interest in such stuff and you should probably do more reading into cosmology, science and spirituality. You might find that your theory will change over time.

What otto posted didn't explain the conjecture to be bizarre. And he goes off on an illogical tack to confront such conjecture. As has been much discussed, otto is hopeless.

For someone whose motive is tied to the feelings of the thread that moo has started, bizarre was quite uncalled for. If the three dimensions naturally exist, we have our answer. There is no need to employ or invent supernatural notions to explain why something exists. Been through it all before. You are on your wavelength and others on theirs. Leave it at that.

 

[otaku]

What otto posted didn't explain the conjecture to be bizarre. And he goes off on an illogical tack to confront such conjecture. As has been much discussed, otto is hopeless.

For someone whose motive is tied to the feelings of the thread that moo has started, bizarre was quite uncalled for. If the three dimensions naturally exist, we have our answer. There is no need to employ or invent supernatural notions to explain why something exists. Been through it all before. You are on your wavelength and others on theirs. Leave it at that.

yet again NEWT, you miss the point. WHy am i not surprised.

Your statement that the three dimensions are natural has no proof that it is correct. Yet you take this statement as gospel. You then make the astounding jump that this somehow disproves the existance of god - again, with no backup evidence at all.

You really need to work on your logic, and your explanations - 'cause, quite frankly, you suck at it.

 

[teams]

yet again NEWT, you miss the point. WHy am i not surprised.

Your statement that the three dimensions are natural has no proof that it is correct. Yet you take this statement as gospel. You then make the astounding jump that this somehow disproves the existance of god - again, with no backup evidence at all.

You really need to work on your logic, and your explanations - 'cause, quite frankly, you suck at it.

Otto, if I could help you with your personal problem I would. Read the first post of the thread.

Conjecture is fair enough. But bizarre.

If you had read that, why would you post what you just have? Your ability to address issues illogically knows no bounds. Well done.

 

[otaku]

Otto, if I could help you with your personal problem I would. Read the first post of the thread.


If you had read that, why would you post what you just have? Your ability to address issues illogically knows no bounds. Well done.

Taking this thread in isolation means nothing NEWT. The whole point of figjam posting what he did was a reference to your bizarre and unprovable claims in the "god if folklore" thread. You know it. I know it. So stop being a tw@t, and let it go.

 

[MonkeyButterer]

Otto, if I could help you with your personal problem I would. Read the first post of the thread.


If you had read that, why would you post what you just have? Your ability to address issues illogically knows no bounds. Well done.

The problem is, that post (much like all of your others) is barely intelligible....sentance fragments do not a logical argument make, tw@t.

(there it is, lads )

Conjecture is fine, especially when there is some observational evidence to back it up (which you dont have) *or* the proponent of said conjecture is willing to admit that it is nothing but hot air (which you won't admit). You claim it gives you some insight into the nature of God, the universe, and time, among other things. *That* is why your notions (which i hold you are parroting from Mark McCutcheon) are held up as bizarre.

FIGJAM proposed you do some wider reading in the field, and then review your ideas. Thats good advice.

I'd suggest you stay away from the cranks. You seem to have enough flair for mindless drivel on your own.

 

[teams]

Taking this thread in isolation means nothing NEWT. The whole point of figjam posting what he did was a reference to your bizarre and unprovable claims in the "god if folklore" thread. You know it. I know it. So stop being a tw@t, and let it go.

Sorry old son. The whole point of this thread was becoming perplexed by someone stating that idea of space naturally existing is bizarre. Just wondered what world is everyone else in. What is your personal problem anyway. You have a bee in your bonnet about something.

Monkey you are wrong about my reading habits. If mindless drivel is my malady, it is self afflicted.

Funky freo well stated observational evidence of the three dimensions.

I could add what there isn't observational evidence of the three dimensions not existing but am wasting to much time on this forum. Incidentally, not crazy about your sentence structure, either.