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Why only Jews.....why doesn't this new US law apply to all minority populations???

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Why stop at Jews?
By Youssef M. Ibrahim

The US Congress should be congratulated and at the same time reprimanded for passing the Global Anti-Semitism Awareness Act.
This highly commendable bill passed last week requires the US State Department to monitor anti-Semitic abuses around the world and document acts of physical violence against Jews, their property, cemeteries, and places of worship abroad. Moreover, it stipulates that those found abusing these places should be held accountable.

That is fine, but why stop there? How about other minorities that are discriminated against daily around the globe? Is it okay to persecute other ethno-religious groups – including Chechens, Muslims, Arab Americans, African Americans, Palestinians, to name a few – who need equal protection and are often in even greater peril than Jews?

The new act is not wrong, but incomplete. It should be rewritten as the ‘Global Protection Act against All Bigotry’ designed to cover those who are in as much peril as Jews, if not more.

Indeed, the US State Department and its African American boss, Colin Powell, objected to the new law precisely for that reason, pointing out that it would be seen as giving preferential treatment to Jews over other religious or ethnic groups in human rights reporting.

The objections were, of course, swept away by Congress. The bill, signed recently by President George W. Bush, was sponsored by Rep. Tom Lantos, D-Calif., sole survivor of the Holocaust death camps. Coming from a man who knows how ugly persecution can get, this is particularly shortsighted.

As it stands, the law marks a further descent toward a bizarre sort of ‘amorality’ – the suspension of balanced and fair judgment in favor of opportunistic behavior. It gives credence to those who claim the United States observes double standards as did Pat Buchanan, the right-wing conservative author and political US commentator, who once observed that the US Congress has become "Israeli-occupied territory."

Nor is this double standard limited to matters of ethnic minorities. The amorality of Congress has gone way beyond the realm of its blind pro-Jewish and pro-Israeli bias of many years. Feted and bribed with tons of money and perks by armies of giant industries, financial entities, multinational business groups, and members of the so-called industrial-military complex, Congress has issued over the past decades law after law that benefit these businesses at the expense of the very American people whose interests members of Congress are supposed to protect – precisely against such sharks.

We know, we read, every day of hundreds of people living in Chechnya, Palestine, Iraq, America, and Uzbekistan, and many other places around the globe being arrested without charges, jailed, killed, and persecuted.

In the past two years alone, some 200,000 Palestinians have been made homeless as Israeli army bulldozers systematically demolished their homes and decimated their lives. The list of those wronged is long. Lantos' compassion appears so short, so biased, so bigoted.

He should contemplate a wonderful precedent with which he is intimately familiar. Years ago, after much deliberation with Jews, the Vatican reached an exemplary religious edict ending the blaming of Jews for the death of Jesus Christ in church rituals and mass.

The logic remains solid. While it may be true that some Jews, more than 2,000 years ago may have inveighed against Jesus, all Jews should not be blamed for his persecution now or in the future.

Alas! To this day during the Passover Holy Jewish Feast, many impressionable Jewish children sit around their Passover dinner tables listening to elders recounting to them how Egypt and Egyptians persecuted Jews forcing them to cross the Red Sea into the Sinai desert thousands of years ago.

Shouldn't that ritual be reexamined with the view that it promotes unnecessary lasting hatred against all Egyptians for an act that may have taken place many thousands of years ago?

America should lead by example, not by accommodating lobbies of unrivalled powers. That cheapens the whole act of anti-discrimination. Lantos, an ardent, fanatical supporter of Israel, should rise above his narrow views. He should act as a patriot whose concerns transcend self-serving goals.

Indeed, all of us, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, or people of any other faith, must arise every day asking the question: "What crimes are being committed in my name, or in the name of my religion today and who is doing it?" For if we are here asking Jews to be fair, we must implement the same standards.

Among Muslims and Arabs, there are still those who deny that a horrible Holocaust was perpetrated by the Nazis against European Jews during World War II. That is insulting to intelligence, history, and decency.

Some fanatical religious Muslim ulemas (scholars) continue to refer to Christians and Jews in public sermons as "sons of monkeys and pigs," as happened one recent Friday on an Arab government television station.

That is beneath the dignity and commands of Islam, which designates both Jews and Christians as "people of the Book."

The question is will the US Congress have the integrity, the moral courage, and the vision to see that protecting Jews is only the first part of protecting everyone.

Its concerns must encompass the million victims of Palestine, Chechnya, Iraq, and that American ‘gulag’ known as Guantanamo Bay in Cuba. For the world to adopt America's moral parameters, they must be stretched to fit and make sense.

Youssef M. Ibrahim is managing director of the Dubai-based Strategic Energy Investment Group.
 
Lestat said:
Why only Jews.....why doesn't this new US law apply to all minority populations???

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Why stop at Jews?
By Youssef M. Ibrahim

The US Congress should be congratulated and at the same time reprimanded for passing the Global Anti-Semitism Awareness Act.
This highly commendable bill passed last week requires the US State Department to monitor anti-Semitic abuses around the world and document acts of physical violence against Jews, their property, cemeteries, and places of worship abroad. Moreover, it stipulates that those found abusing these places should be held accountable.

Let the Americans try and put me on trial and I will use the ''anti-discrimination act'' to support the fact that they CANNOT charge me...the Australian gov can charge me but I would start protesting this to your member of parliament ..and dont listen when he says it wont happen..

The objections were, of course, swept away by Congress. The bill, signed recently by President George W. Bush, was sponsored by Rep. Tom Lantos, D-Calif., sole survivor of the Holocaust death camps. Coming from a man who knows how ugly persecution can get, this is particularly shortsighted.

. It gives credence to those who claim the United States observes double standards as did Pat Buchanan, the right-wing conservative author and political US commentator, who once observed that the US Congress has become "Israeli-occupied territory."

And when Americans ask why does 11/9 happen point to their congress which supports and protects Israeli interests way and beyond any other countries.

Nor is this double standard limited to matters of ethnic minorities. The amorality of Congress has gone way beyond the realm of its blind pro-Jewish and pro-Israeli bias of many years. Feted and bribed with tons of money and perks by armies of giant industries, financial entities, multinational business groups, and members of the so-called industrial-military complex, Congress has issued over the past decades law after law that benefit these businesses at the expense of the very American people whose interests members of Congress are supposed to protect – precisely against such sharks.

We know, we read, every day of hundreds of people living in Chechnya, Palestine, Iraq, America, and Uzbekistan, and many other places around the globe being arrested without charges, jailed, killed, and persecuted.

Ahh David Hicks and and the rest of the Guantanemo Bay visitors.

The question is will the US Congress have the integrity, the moral courage, and the vision to see that protecting Jews is only the first part of protecting everyone.

NO. And when the next atrocity occurs they will make more laws designed to discriminate against one over another.


Youssef M. Ibrahim is managing director of the Dubai-based Strategic Energy Investment Group.

Left that in for id purposes.
 
Lestat said:
Why only Jews.....why doesn't this new US law apply to all minority populations???
Or indeed abuses and acts of violence against, erm, anyone.

But I thought Semites weren't restricted to Jews anyway. ;)
 

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Tim56 said:
Look, I support Israel, and I have some Jewish friends, but this is just ********ing ridiculous.
But you wouldnt go there there would you?.
 
Politically correct crap as is nearly all anti discrimination nonsense. Its such a joke now that basically any white on black violent crime in the UK is considered a "race" crime whereas (the far more prevalent) black on white violent crime isnt. Where is the legislation protecting against WASPS being discriminated against? I clearly remember the case of the best Australian female cricketer being discriminated against on the basis she was straight, took it to a tribunal and lost because there was nothing to stop discrimination on those grounds. Joke.

If a muslim preacher wants to refer to me as a "son of a pig", "infidel" etc I dont give a stuff and I really cant see why others do. If any preacher of any religion calls for violence then surely that can be treated under generic legislation without the need for all this gibberish.
 
Well it's been a while since I've posted here, looking through some of the stuff there's a lot I could respond to, as it seems lefties like BlueMark and Islamo-fascists like Lestat continue to spread lies. However, that would take hours so I won't bother.

But I did think it important, as a Jew, to give a Jewish perspective on this thread.

It may surprise some of you to know that I also oppose this move by the US congress. When I first heard that they had passed this bill, my reaction was shock, and then I thought 'why the hell is there a need for that'?

Before I go on, let's get the facts right. Antisemitism is a massive problem worldwide. I forget who it was who said that the onset of antisemitism is a sign that society is beginning to decay. However, it is an important message. In France and Belgium, Jews are afraid to wear obviously Jewish insignia in the streets. Racist attacks on Jews (mostly the actions of Muslim youth, and this is a fact supported even by an EU document that was too 'politically incorrect' to originally release) are commonplace. Jewish institutions all over the world have a need for more security than non-Jewish places. In the past few years, synagogues fin Turkey and Tunisia, among others have been the target of terror attacks that have killed dozens. In Argentina, the Jewish community centre (and the Israeli embassy as well) were the target of bombings that killed 100s in the 1990s. In the USA, there have been antisemitic attacks (some resulting in deaths) that can be attributed not just to the traditional perpetrators (Nazis, white supremacists) but also to Muslim and even far-left groups who take out their anger against Israel on Jews. And in Australia, which is one of the great nations of the world and a bastion of tolerance, antisemitic incidents have increased by 1000% in the past 4 years. So there is a problem, and those that ignore it or deny it are either blind to it or are lying. Some of those that deny it are anti-Semites who want to deflect attention away from the threat that they pose.

However, while it is admirable that the USA wants to fight anti-Semitism (and I only wish the French govt, which is actually complicit in anti-Semtism, would try to fight it), one wonders what the US congress hopes to achieve by isolating anti-Semitism as a particularly important problem. I guess the best comparison I can think of is if the Australian govt passed a resolution specifically looking at ways to stop anti-Aboriginal racism, while not bothering to fight antisemitism. I'd be pretty ********ed off if that happened. I'd say we should be fighting all forms of racism.

So basically what I'm trying to get at here is that antisemitism is a major problem, in fact it is something that is a huge problem within the Arab world, as much as BlueMark or Lestat willl try to deny it. And no doubt the only reason Lestat has brought this up is so he can have another whinge about the Jews, because it seems that he loves to whinge about Jews.

So I appeal to you all to continue to condemn antisemitism, and to those who think it isn't a problem, you should wake up and try to put yourself in my shoes or in the shoes of the young Parisian Jews who can't walk to school without fear of being attacked by gangs of disgruntled Muslim youth.

However, as a Jew I must also say that I am stunned by this bill, not the least because it cited Australia as one of 5 countries of particular concern - and that can't possibly be right.

As a Jew, I know there is a nation (Israel) that will always stand up for my rights (as much as some may want that nation to be destroyed). I don't need other nations pushing this affirmative action cr@p on behalf of my people.

No race should be elevated above others for concern, what should be fought is racism in general, because it is a curse on our society.
 
Lestat said:
Is it okay to persecute other ethno-religious groups – including Chechens, Muslims, Arab Americans, African Americans, Palestinians, to name a few – who need equal protection and are often in even greater peril than Jews?

It's not enough that you've completely re-written history by claiming there is such an Arab nation as Palestinians, NOW YOU BELIEVE THEY'RE AN ETHNIC GROUP TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You're even more of a nutter than I originally thought Lestat...a nutter who is so hell-bent on destroying the only Jewish state on the planet that you're inventing your own history.

Alas! To this day during the Passover Holy Jewish Feast, many impressionable Jewish children sit around their Passover dinner tables listening to elders recounting to them how Egypt and Egyptians persecuted Jews forcing them to cross the Red Sea into the Sinai desert thousands of years ago.

Shouldn't that ritual be reexamined with the view that it promotes unnecessary lasting hatred against all Egyptians for an act that may have taken place many thousands of years ago?

The ancient Egyptians were not Arabs. The Arabs invaded Egypt and claimed it as their own. How exactly do you figure Jews would take this out on modern-day Egyptians? Let me ask you Lestat, do you think we shouldn't commemorate the Holocaust because it would be unfair to Germans? And remember, we're talking about an event that living people can still remember.

Indeed, all of us, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, or people of any other faith, must arise every day asking the question: "What crimes are being committed in my name, or in the name of my religion today and who is doing it?" For if we are here asking Jews to be fair, we must implement the same standards.

If you see my post above, you'll note that I also don't support a bill focusing exclusively on antisemitism. However, if this author is serious about asking Jews to be fair, maybe he should be fair as well. Where is the recognition of the antisemitism that is rampant in the Arab world. I realise he noted the use of antisemitism in the Arab world, but does he not realise that the US probably wouldn't have had a need to pass the bill if it wasn't for the Arab nations that lead the propagation of antisemitism globally?

Its concerns must encompass the million victims of Palestine, Chechnya, Iraq, and that American ‘gulag’ known as Guantanamo Bay in Cuba. For the world to adopt America's moral parameters, they must be stretched to fit and make sense.

Typical - the whole point of this piece was to whinge about the 'plight' of the 'Palestinians'.
 
ONE thing Miller got right is racism is wrong.

anti semitism is only ONE form of racism.

I am all for stamping out the neo nazi freaks (who incedently are aligned with nationalistic right wing for conservative parties), be they in Aus, britain, germany (scarey those bastiches are back), france, the USA, etc.

idiots like falwell, cheney (who was AGAINST the release of nelson mandela and was supportive of a white rule policy in SA) are just as guilty of fanning the flames of racial intolerence as idiots like sharon, arafat, khaddaffi, howard and OBL.

Whatever the cause for the creation of Israel, the fact is there are several million well armed and backed up by the USA jews in israel. They were not wanted in europe and post war europe couldn't pack them of faster.

It would have been better if the brits hadn't promised the same block of land to two people, but the fact is they did.

Its time for the dope prats who support israel no matter what to realise that sharon and israel are committing war atrocities and if not for the backing the USA would be condemned for them.

its also time for the dopey prats who endorse terrorist strikes against civilians as ok to realise that they are war atrocities, and are crimes against humanity.

you have two peoples with legitimate claims to the same block of land. If they can't come to an amicable settlement, then at least get them to fight against military targets.

that said, freaks like hammas, arafat, sharon, etc need each other, just as bush needs OBL, and the bogeyman, to ensure power.

if not for their respective governments, most indians and pakistanis could probably live together.

if not for the actions of israeli governments in forceable evicting legitimate landholders in israel, and if not for the terrorist strikes against civilians, and the actions of the ultra orthodox freaks of islam and judeaism, most folks could get on just fine.

folks condemn israel and all jews for the actions of sharon and some idiotic settlers (who if wiped out would do everyone a service - sad but probablytrue) just as the condemn all moslems for the actions of a few.

and interesting and moving art exhibition by veterans of the IDF was condemned by the govt and there were'/are attempts to muzzle future expressions.

interesting that the biggest proponent for peace in the ME, and the closest they ever got, the jewish leader was murdered by the jew.
 
PerthCrow said:
I'm going with sarcasm here because noone could make a stupid statement like that and believe it. Yes stamp out discrimination but dont raise someone above others
Raising someone above others? The root causes of antisemitism are different from the root causes of other prejudices (as in fact, many prejudices have different causes). Why can't they be treated seperately?

That's far more likely to be effective than treating prejudice itself as if it were one monolithic thing. If they tried to do that, they'd end up with nothing but a resolution to discourage unfriendliness, or something equally poignant.
 

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MillerCHF said:
Typical - the whole point of this piece was to whinge about the 'plight' of the 'Palestinians'.

Gee...how ironic. This comment coming after you posted a full page whinge about the plight of 'jews'

Oh..I forgot...its only jews who are allowed to whinge about persecution...right Miller. You have a monopoly on it.

Palestinians...they ought to be happy about the curfews, the killings, the persecution.

Your pathetic!

(will reply to the rest of your pathetic post when I get home from work tonight...after I eat)
 
Its interesting to me to see how once again America slides out of our consciousness into a Middle East debate about Israel v Palestine and/or about someones Jewishness.

Agreed the Jews have been persecuted since time immemorial but lets not hang the role of martyr around their necks. I am sure the Hutus and blacks of South Africa ,the whole Balkan issue and many many others ...just seems that the jews have a better spin doctor :p

Miller please dont ignore historical fact ..I appreciate the whole Palestinian issue has the potential to make you see red when there is grey.

MillerCHF said:
It's not enough that you've completely re-written history by claiming there is such an Arab nation as Palestinians, NOW YOU BELIEVE THEY'RE AN ETHNIC GROUP TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You're even more of a nutter than I originally thought Lestat...a nutter who is so hell-bent on destroying the only Jewish state on the planet that you're inventing your own history.

Israel was formalised in 1948 and before that it was called ''the Palestine'' it was historically known also as ''the land of the Israelites''...Can I still call it Ayres Rock or am I forced to use Uluru? And by the way he never said there was an Arab nation called Palestine. He mentioned the Palestinians as an ethno-religious group. And to accuse him of been the destroyer of a state is a bit of a stretch....I know the pen is supposed to be mightier than the sword but please.

As pointed out at the start of this thread I am amused by the slipperiness of the Americans. Miller your defense of another country is to be admired I would hope you are as pasionate about Australia and its freedoms.
 
Don't the Jews control half the money in the US / New York, which is basically why the Yanks take their side (admittedly or not) in the Israel Palestinian thing? For example, do you ever hear reports of "Jewish / Israeli terrorists" on CNN? They are alway on about "Palestinian terrorists". I don't take one side or the other (read couldn't give a **** if you like), but it seems terribly one sided.

And isn't this all basically why Sept 11 happened, as well as the fact that the Yanks want to forever keep telling everyone else how to suck eggs?
 
MillerCHf al;ways happily forgets that the same resolution the authorised the creation of the state of Israel and aiuthorised the creation of a Palestinian state. Trouble was that the Jewish fighters had already over run half of the territory allocated to the Palestinians.
 
MightyFighting said:
Raising someone above others? The root causes of antisemitism are different from the root causes of other prejudices (as in fact, many prejudices have different causes). Why can't they be treated seperately?

That's far more likely to be effective than treating prejudice itself as if it were one monolithic thing. If they tried to do that, they'd end up with nothing but a resolution to discourage unfriendliness, or something equally poignant.

Although I disagree with you as to our opinions on the US bill, everything you say here is true.
 
Leper said:
Don't the Jews control half the money in the US / New York, which is basically why the Yanks take their side (admittedly or not) in the Israel Palestinian thing? For example, do you ever hear reports of "Jewish / Israeli terrorists" on CNN? They are alway on about "Palestinian terrorists". I don't take one side or the other (read couldn't give a **** if you like), but it seems terribly one sided.

And isn't this all basically why Sept 11 happened, as well as the fact that the Yanks want to forever keep telling everyone else how to suck eggs?

I see you also like the Jewish control of money conspiracy theory Leper?

And the reason CNN doesn't talk about Israeli terrorists, is because there are none to talk about. There was one - Baruch Goldstein in 1994 - and trust me they talked about that far more than they talk about any individual Palestinian terrorist. If there was another one, believe me they'd report it.
 

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BlueMark said:
MillerCHf al;ways happily forgets that the same resolution the authorised the creation of the state of Israel and aiuthorised the creation of a Palestinian state. Trouble was that the Jewish fighters had already over run half of the territory allocated to the Palestinians.

BlueMark: always forgets that the Arabs had not yet invented the concept of a 'Palestinian' Arab state, and always forgets that the Arab states rejected the partition plan (yes that means they rejected the existence of another Arab state) and then invaded Israel. I gotta give you credit though, BlueMark, you'd make a good spin-doctor. Maybe Latham should have hired you to cover up all his flaws.
 

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