Why were england so s***?

[Barlos Crathwaite]

I’ve never said you don’t criticise Australia.

ive said you’re hung up on what I think about them, and pointed out that your cricket fanaticism doesn’t extend to talking about the game when Australia aren’t playing.

You've said some really nasty things about us. So yes it'll attract attention. I'm not hung up on it I just want you to cop the same for your team. That's how life works mate

 

[PhatBoy]

You've said some really nasty things about us. So yes it'll attract attention. I'm not hung up on it I just want you to cop the same for your team. That's how life works mate

thanks Gandhi.
If you actually bother reading anything I’ve written you’ll notice I haven’t told you you can’t criticise the West Indies. We had the trophy in our grasp and ****ed it - twice.
What I’ve argued is that many other teams suck and have sucked, and that my character, good or bad, is not determined by the colour of the caps being worn by the team I support, nor are my views on the sport determined by the same.

If you’re on a crusade to rid the world of anti Australian cricket team sentiment you might find it will be a chore since cape town

 

[Barlos Crathwaite]

Also, just to defend England, you starting this rancid thread when England have just annihilated your team in back to back tests is pretty on the nose. Does the guy who's getting punched non stop in kings cross after he's been lippy give more lip during his beating? No he just cops it

 

[Barlos Crathwaite]

thanks Gandhi.
If you actually bother reading anything I’ve written you’ll notice I haven’t told you you can’t criticise the West Indies. We had the trophy in our grasp and f’ed it - twice.
What I’ve argued is that many other teams suck and have sucked, and that my character, good or bad, is not determined by the colour of the caps being worn by the team I support, nor are my views on the sport determined by the same.

If you’re on a crusade to rid the world of anti Australian cricket team sentiment you might find it will be a chore since cape town

It has nothing to do with Australia you nut. Haven't you read anything I've posted. I'm calling you out for your hypocritical behaviour. You like to have a dig but you hate copping it back. Are you Dave Warner btw?

 

[PhatBoy]

Also, just to defend England, you starting this rancid thread when England have just annihilated your team in back to back tests is pretty on the nose. Does the guy who's getting punched non stop in kings cross after he's been lippy give more lip during his beating? No he just cops it

see the thing about starting a thread in mid May is that the stuff that happens in July hasn’t actually happened yet.
also the thing about starting a thread that actually praises numerous cricketers from england, the last of whom retired in 2005, is that it’s not particularly relevant to a series in 2020 is it?

Is this the new rule?

will someone have the courage to write a ‘Why couldn’t India win in Australia in the 90s?’ Thread now that they’ve done it 20 years later? Oh the nerve of me to even think about it. Imagine the rules I’d be breaking.

 

[PhatBoy]

It has nothing to do with Australia you nut. Haven't you read anything I've posted. I'm calling you out for your hypocritical behaviour. You like to have a dig but you hate copping it back. Are you Dave Warner btw?

how have I hated copping it back? It’s the most interesting thing that’s happened in this forum all year and personally I actually like it.

 

[Barlos Crathwaite]

see the thing about starting a thread in mid May is that the stuff that happens in July hasn’t actually happened yet.
also the thing about starting a thread that actually praises numerous cricketers from england, the last of whom retired in 2005, is that it’s not particularly relevant to a series in 2020 is it?

Is this the new rule?

will someone have the courage to write a ‘Why couldn’t India win in Australia in the 90s?’ Thread now that they’ve done it 20 years later? Oh the nerve of me to even think about it. Imagine the rules I’d be breaking.

I won't cop that either so here's some more Shannon Gabriel

 

[Barlos Crathwaite]

And just to show I can be magnanimous here's some Bruce reid.

 

[Barlos Crathwaite]

how have I hated copping it back? It’s the most interesting thing that’s happened in this forum all year and personally I actually like it.

That's because it looks like you and I are the only ones posting here this year

 

[PhatBoy]

And just to show I can be magnanimous here's some Bruce reid.

reid is one of my all time favourite bowlers. Yes, Australian Bruce reid.

 

[Barlos Crathwaite]

reid is one of my all time favourite bowlers. Yes, Australian Bruce reid.

Oooooo I see what you did there. Maybe we should see what Allan Donald is up to...

 

[Gough]

Oooooo I see what you did there. Maybe we should see what Allan Donald is up to...

C'mon mate, argue a point, don't just span vids.

 

[PhatBoy]

I won't cop that either so here's some more Shannon Gabriel

mate it’s called analysis.

just because it doesn’t involve Australia doesn’t mean other people don’t like talking about it. England were a train wreck in the 90s but had some fantastic cricketers like Thorpe, Gooch, Atherton m, Stewart, Gough, Fraser, and Smith. They also had some very talented but mismanaged ones like Malcolm, Tufnell, Lewis, Headley (injured a lot), Hick and Ramprakash. Like it or not it’s worth wondering why they couldn’t get it together.

is it ok to wonder why Pakistan keep producing these Uber talented players for little result but to not ask the same question of England, just because they happen to be competitive now?

 

[Barlos Crathwaite]

Craig Macmillan anyone? This pie scoffer must have pies for brains...

 

[Barlos Crathwaite]

C'mon mate, argue a point, don't just span vids.

There was a subtle vibe being thrown my way of white supremacism. I'm just showing im not that way at all

 

[PhatBoy]

There was a subtle vibe being thrown my way of white supremacism. I'm just showing im not that way at all

Um, what?

 

[Barlos Crathwaite]

mate it’s called analysis.

just because it doesn’t involve Australia doesn’t mean other people don’t like talking about it. England were a train wreck in the 90s but had some fantastic cricketers like Thorpe, Gooch, Atherton m, Stewart, Gough, Fraser, and Smith. They also had some very talented but mismanaged ones like Malcolm, Tufnell, Lewis, Headley (injured a lot), Hick and Ramprakash. Like it or not it’s worth wondering why they couldn’t get it together.

is it ok to wonder why Pakistan keep producing these Uber talented players for little result but to not ask the same question of England, just because they happen to be competitive now?

Pakistan tend to still compete at home (UAE I mean) so they get a pass of sorts. The windies sometimes okay well at home but usually they crumble

 

[Barlos Crathwaite]

Um, what?

You have to admit you portray me as a frothing at the mouth Australian bogan. I'm not at all

 

[PhatBoy]

Pakistan tend to still compete at home (UAE I mean) so they get a pass of sorts. The windies sometimes okay well at home but usually they crumble

which has what relevance to this discussion, exactly?

Pakistan haven’t won a test in Australia for 30 years and routinely have a talented side that doesn’t reach its potential. As a consequence, people rightly often wonder why they can’t get it together or why they haven’t been better in the past. Asking the same question of england isn’t A crime

 

[PhatBoy]

You have to admit you portray me as a frothing at the mouth Australian bogan. I'm not at all

no, I think you’re too wrapped up in the opinions of others about something you hold dear to you. I don’t toss accusatios of racism around lightly and nor should anyone and I don’t think for a second there’s been any suggestion of white supremacy on your part

 

[Barlos Crathwaite]

which has what relevance to this discussion, exactly?

Pakistan haven’t won a test in Australia for 30 years and routinely have a talented side that doesn’t reach its potential. As a consequence, people rightly often wonder why they can’t get it together or why they haven’t been better in the past. Asking the same question of england isn’t A crime

After their last tour here I don't think it's fair they get three tests. Not for a while anyway but England don't play well over here. Everyone knows that. pretty much everywhere else they do compete. I remember they won a series against India ten years ago in spinning pitches which was a serious effort. They regularly beat Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka, they won in Pakistan at the turn of the century, they play very well in South Africa these days, they beat the west Indies regularly away , they play well in NZ. They do ok. It's not a crime to give England some credit sometimes too

 

[Barlos Crathwaite]

no, I think you’re too wrapped up in the opinions of others about something you hold dear to you. I don’t toss accusatios of racism around lightly and nor should anyone and I don’t think for a second there’s been any suggestion of white supremacy on your part

Well I just wanted to clear it up. There was a whiff of a vibe. You keep persisting in asking me why I never criticise Anglo teams the way I criticise the windies and other teams of colour. I didn't like the insinuation. Or the direction it was headed. I probably hate racism more than you do

 

[PhatBoy]

After their last tour here I don't think it's fair they get three tests. Not for a while anyway but England don't play well over here. Everyone knows that. pretty much everywhere else they do compete. I remember they won a series against India ten years ago in spinning pitches which was a serious effort. They regularly beat Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka, they won in Pakistan at the turn of the century, they play very well in South Africa these days, they beat the west Indies regularly away , they play well in NZ. They do ok. It's not a crime to give England some credit sometimes too

I’ve never not done that. They got belted in NZ and up until 3 days ago their only win in the last 18 months Was against an awful SA outfit

 

[PhatBoy]

Well I just wanted to clear it up. There was a whiff of a vibe. You keep persisting in asking me why I never criticise Anglo teams the way I criticise the windies and other teams of colour. I didn't like the insinuation. Or the direction it was headed. I probably hate racism more than you do

I don’t know what your personal circumstances are but as the father of four aboriginal children I doubt that you do. But it’s not a competition
YOU started a discussion criticising me for daring to talk about England’s 1990s shortcomings.

I merely asked why england are so off limits and what these so called rules are that no one seems to have a copy of that stop us from criticising a team 25 years ago because they happen to be playing ok right now

 

[Barlos Crathwaite]

I know I've hit a nerve criticising your team phatty phat cheeks but I just hate seeing lazy, unmotivated and low energy players on a test field. Give Afghanistan the same chances and I guarantee you they'd run through a wall to try and get a result. As a test cricket lover I place huge regard on effort. That's why I love Australia. They guts it out