Will the AFL ever be fair?
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goyoucrows
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Simple math shows 22 can't fit, that would likely need to change.
I've always thought of scenarios and best I can come up with is this:
Everyone plays each other once. If you play a team away, you will play them home the year after. (17 games)
You then have a "rivalry round" where you play rivals, eg we play port twice each year. (makes 18 games)
Then the final ladder is diseccted into 3s, making 6 groups. Eg. 1st, 2nd and 3rd is group 1.
Each team plays each other (2 games) and the higher on the ladder has to play away.
For example 1st plays 2nd and 3rd both away as minor premiers, 2nd plays 3rd away but 1st at home. 3rd plays both 1st and 2nd at home. This continues all the way down the ladder which ends in wooden Spooner playing 16th and 17th at home. This ends up with 20 games and probably the most fair.
I've always thought of scenarios and best I can come up with is this:
Everyone plays each other once. If you play a team away, you will play them home the year after. (17 games)
You then have a "rivalry round" where you play rivals, eg we play port twice each year. (makes 18 games)
Then the final ladder is diseccted into 3s, making 6 groups. Eg. 1st, 2nd and 3rd is group 1.
Each team plays each other (2 games) and the higher on the ladder has to play away.
For example 1st plays 2nd and 3rd both away as minor premiers, 2nd plays 3rd away but 1st at home. 3rd plays both 1st and 2nd at home. This continues all the way down the ladder which ends in wooden Spooner playing 16th and 17th at home. This ends up with 20 games and probably the most fair.
No.
Never.
Bring on the Super League.
Never.
Bring on the Super League.
Yeah, nah. We're stuck with this until Elon Musk pulls out his wallet and wants to bankroll a Super League.
Why won't it change? Imagine you're Collingwood or Richmond.
You get minimal travel compared to the rest of the League. And when you travel, it's a 45-minute drive to another Stadium.
You play more games at your home ground than anyone else.
The Grand Final is even at your home ground.
The AFL Media gives you way more than 1/18th of the coverage, meaning you can prop up contracts with extra $$ outside the cap.
Why would you want that to change?
Why won't it change? Imagine you're Collingwood or Richmond.
You get minimal travel compared to the rest of the League. And when you travel, it's a 45-minute drive to another Stadium.
You play more games at your home ground than anyone else.
The Grand Final is even at your home ground.
The AFL Media gives you way more than 1/18th of the coverage, meaning you can prop up contracts with extra $$ outside the cap.
Why would you want that to change?
- May 19, 2017
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Well we could go back to the VFL, you can have the SAFL, dunno what the perth boys woud like but I think they will man up and stick it out.
Don Muraco
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no
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TheBrownDog
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Rich talk considering it was the Non-Victorian Clubs that saved the VFL and the poor struggling Victorian Clubs from extinction, like St Kilda, North etc.
The AFL is what it is today ie a strong powerful sport, because of the non-Victorian teams, make no mistake about that.
Majunga
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Stop your sooking Dazza.
- May 10, 2016
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17 games. Home teams played depends on ladder position previous year. 6 weeks of finals. Bye before gf. Gf over 2 legs home and away. One game always played at mcg. Winner with best margin over both legs.
I believe like all business models, everything will be governed by the dollar. If non-Victorian teams are paying up more and more dollars, the power and sway will be more towards interstate clubs. Though this won't happen in any hurry.
The only way it can be considered genuinely fair is home and away games for each competing teams, and a GF to be played at the higher ranked team's home ground. So in the meantime, we're just going to have to suck it up and enjoy the game for what it is, including all its deficiencies.
The only way it can be considered genuinely fair is home and away games for each competing teams, and a GF to be played at the higher ranked team's home ground. So in the meantime, we're just going to have to suck it up and enjoy the game for what it is, including all its deficiencies.
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ahahahahahahaha. No.
Bring in Tasmania and a NT team.
Reduce squads to 35 with mid-season drafts.
All teams get home state academies and first dibs on round 1 pick.
10 Vic teams play each other home and away.
10 National teams play each other home and away.
First 2 weeks of finals are separate:
Week 1
2nd vs 3rd (winner plays 1st in Conference GF)
3rd vs 4th (winner qualifies for Finals, loser eliminated)
Week 2
Conference Grand Finals (VFL GF at MCG - NFL GF at 1st Place)
Week 3-6
Top 4 from both conferences play regular finals as is now the final 8 system.
Grand Final venue pre-determined and shared from state to state each year (provided capacity is greater than 50,000). Minimum 90% tickets saved for each clubs members. Corporate/MCC event is VFL Grand Final.
Reduce squads to 35 with mid-season drafts.
All teams get home state academies and first dibs on round 1 pick.
10 Vic teams play each other home and away.
10 National teams play each other home and away.
First 2 weeks of finals are separate:
Week 1
2nd vs 3rd (winner plays 1st in Conference GF)
3rd vs 4th (winner qualifies for Finals, loser eliminated)
Week 2
Conference Grand Finals (VFL GF at MCG - NFL GF at 1st Place)
Week 3-6
Top 4 from both conferences play regular finals as is now the final 8 system.
Grand Final venue pre-determined and shared from state to state each year (provided capacity is greater than 50,000). Minimum 90% tickets saved for each clubs members. Corporate/MCC event is VFL Grand Final.
Yeah, it's a shame that the Western Australians didn't have the balls to hold out. St Kilda, North, Fitzroy and Footscray would be dead by now and we could have started with 6 Victorian teams.
Anyhoo.
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No
- Oct 16, 2015
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F* No
Southerntakeover
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Not whilst it's openly allowed to be run to profit maximise.
What about this for a fair competition:
Go back to our State leagues with 8 / 10 / 12 teams, play every other team in the league twice. No Interstate travel, no interstate umpire bias, keep the money from the game in the State.
Get each State Government to put a tax on their population, to pay to build and maintain a spare ground in each State that sits idle for 51 weeks of the year, and play the State GF there in the last week lest there is an advantage to one team over the other.
Don’t have individual club sponsorships but only have League sponsors lest there is an advantage to some teams because they have more money.
All money raised from club memberships go to the League consolidated revenue, and the League distributes the funds equally amongst all teams. This distribution will ensure no team gets an advantage from having more membership money than another.
When some teams lose their player(s) during the season due to injuries/suspensions, perhaps the teams games should be postponed, until all players of both teams are fit. Can’t have one team being disadvantaged in a game. We need to make it as fair as we can, and get rid of factors that make games unfair.
Re-distribute all the best players in the league amongst all teams each year, so that every club gets an equal amount of elite players, lest one team has a better list.
Implement a handicap system so home teams get their advantage diluted. Maybe a goal playing on an away ground is worth 33% more (or 8 points) than a goal for the home team?
Or better still, get that Duckworth-Lewis bloke that invented that formula they use in cricket for shortened matches, and get him to invent an AFL formula that equalises the advantage for 1) the effect of home versus away ground, and 2) adds a handicap system so that weaker teams and stronger teams have an equal chance in any game. We can then watch the game, go home, have a sleep, and get up Monday morning, and wait for Mr Duckworth-Lewis to do the calculations and announce the final scores of each game after applying their formula!
The MRV can meet and identify all the indiscretions over the weekend. They don’t adjudicate, but organise a public vote. Members of all teams can text their vote to a 1800 number on whether a suspension applies, and the penalty. Then there is no way a MRP decision can be biased or inconsistent. (By the way, the suspension has no real effect, because of the rule that a game is postponed until all players are available (point above). This rule is only there for a way of making money from telco companies, and giving fans a feeling that they are involved).
Changes in game rules will only occur with a unanimous vote. The league will propose a rule change, conduct a member vote, members text their vote to a 1800 number, and only a 100% majority in favour will see that rule change effected. This way, we can be certain that the change in rule is considered fair by everyone (and again is a way of raising funds – the more rule change proposals, the richer we get).
Thanks for your hospitality.
I'll see myself out.
Go back to our State leagues with 8 / 10 / 12 teams, play every other team in the league twice. No Interstate travel, no interstate umpire bias, keep the money from the game in the State.
Get each State Government to put a tax on their population, to pay to build and maintain a spare ground in each State that sits idle for 51 weeks of the year, and play the State GF there in the last week lest there is an advantage to one team over the other.
Don’t have individual club sponsorships but only have League sponsors lest there is an advantage to some teams because they have more money.
All money raised from club memberships go to the League consolidated revenue, and the League distributes the funds equally amongst all teams. This distribution will ensure no team gets an advantage from having more membership money than another.
When some teams lose their player(s) during the season due to injuries/suspensions, perhaps the teams games should be postponed, until all players of both teams are fit. Can’t have one team being disadvantaged in a game. We need to make it as fair as we can, and get rid of factors that make games unfair.
Re-distribute all the best players in the league amongst all teams each year, so that every club gets an equal amount of elite players, lest one team has a better list.
Implement a handicap system so home teams get their advantage diluted. Maybe a goal playing on an away ground is worth 33% more (or 8 points) than a goal for the home team?
Or better still, get that Duckworth-Lewis bloke that invented that formula they use in cricket for shortened matches, and get him to invent an AFL formula that equalises the advantage for 1) the effect of home versus away ground, and 2) adds a handicap system so that weaker teams and stronger teams have an equal chance in any game. We can then watch the game, go home, have a sleep, and get up Monday morning, and wait for Mr Duckworth-Lewis to do the calculations and announce the final scores of each game after applying their formula!
The MRV can meet and identify all the indiscretions over the weekend. They don’t adjudicate, but organise a public vote. Members of all teams can text their vote to a 1800 number on whether a suspension applies, and the penalty. Then there is no way a MRP decision can be biased or inconsistent. (By the way, the suspension has no real effect, because of the rule that a game is postponed until all players are available (point above). This rule is only there for a way of making money from telco companies, and giving fans a feeling that they are involved).
Changes in game rules will only occur with a unanimous vote. The league will propose a rule change, conduct a member vote, members text their vote to a 1800 number, and only a 100% majority in favour will see that rule change effected. This way, we can be certain that the change in rule is considered fair by everyone (and again is a way of raising funds – the more rule change proposals, the richer we get).
Thanks for your hospitality.
I'll see myself out.
* off dickhead.
pirate bob
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- Jul 11, 2017
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Go away
pirate bob
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Slow learner, wouldn't expect anything less TBH
because your club needed to be shown how to do it properly.
