Analysis Wing Attendance Megathread 2023

[Grasshopper17]

Ugh another game without Kayo goal/quarter start tags.

Wing Attendance	Round 13	Hawthorn	MCG
Names		Q1​		Q2​		Q3​		Q4​	Total​	Percentage​
	Top​	Bottom​	Top​	Bottom​	Top​	Bottom​	Top​	Bottom​
Prior	3​	2​	2​	1​	3​	1​	5​		17​	29.31%​
Berry		6​		4​	2​	6​	1​		19​	32.76%​
Robertson	5​		4​		1​			1​	11​	18.97%​
Gunston				1​		1​			2​	3.45%​
Bailey					3​			1​	4​	6.90%​
McCluggage						1​		2​	3​	5.17%​
McCarthy								1​	1​	1.72%​
Ashcroft								1​	1​	1.72%​

If Dev played "top" wing in both Q1 and Q2, does this imply he played left wing in one quarter and right wing in the other? Trying to understand why his disposal heat map is all over the place.

 

[dlanod]

If Dev played "top" wing in both Q1 and Q2, does this imply he played left wing in one quarter and right wing in the other? Trying to understand why his disposal heat map is all over the place.

Most likely. The AFL teams tend to view it as interchange side and non-interchange side when setting up wide or not, so it doesn't matter too much which way the team is running.

 

[swans4eva]

With the 22 listed tonight, who do you anticipate will roam the wings? A combination of Fletcher, Berry and Robertson?

 

[ZoBlitz]

With the 22 listed tonight, who do you anticipate will roam the wings? A combination of Fletcher, Berry and Robertson?

That could be the case although considering that we've brought in two forwards (Fort and Lohmann) to replace one (Gunston), it could suggest that one of the other forwards will be shifted more onto the wing and Robertson will play more inside to replace McCluggage. Bailey tends to be the next most used winger of the forwards so I'd expect he'll get more time there tonight (even though I don't really rate his abilities as a winger).

 

[Section 5]

If Dev played "top" wing in both Q1 and Q2, does this imply he played left wing in one quarter and right wing in the other? Trying to understand why his disposal heat map is all over the place.

ZoBlitz (thanks again for the time and effort) is watching on the TV so uses top/bottom as the easiest way to show their position when the ball is bounced.

Using Prior's first quarter as an example and let's assume the top wing is in fact the left wing.
He had 3 attendances on the left wing and 2 on the right wing in the first quarter.
In the 2nd quarter that is reversed and so on for the rest of the game.

The heat maps i post have already taken into consideration which way the teams are running.
The bottom on the heat map is marked DEF 50 <---> FWD 50. Simplifying the map, left of center is defense, right is forward.
So, all disposals are marked in the correct sections allowing for which way the team is running.
This avoids having 4 heat maps per player.

You can get quarter by quarter heat maps on the AFL phone app.
Via, Matches - Find the game you want - Players - Tap on player - Towards the top find and tap on Q1, Q2, Q3, Q4, "All" is default.
But each time, left is defense right is forward.

Link to where i get my heat maps from that i post on this thread. It should open at Jarrod Berry

AFL Player Summary - DFS Australia

dfsaustralia.com

To get the heat map scroll down to the section on the image below.
A - HM: The last game is at the top. Find the game you want and click/tap the HM icon.

B - Map: This is a quick colored graft guide to show where disposals were taken over the season for each game.
Green: Defense 50
Blue: Defense Mid
Yellow: Forward Mid
Red: Forward 50

 

[almagoo]

If Dev played "top" wing in both Q1 and Q2, does this imply he played left wing in one quarter and right wing in the other? Trying to understand why his disposal heat map is all over the place.

Wings would very likely be swapping mid quarter also to ensure the next player to be rotated is on the interchange side.

 

[KissKiss]

Just having a flick through that again raises questions about how we use our wingers.

I clicked through each of Berry's year and (ignoring the Melbourne game) and he seems to be alternating top and bottom wing regularly. Checking our other wingers (which is hard as we have such little consistency) and its the same. Why arent we trying to build consistency with our wingers having a more defined role? Maybe this is a real reason why we have struggled for years in getting consistent output on the wings

I went over to Josh Daicos

7

Josh Daicos

Age

26

Ht

178cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.6

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.3

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.6

5star

MG

230.5

4star

D

16.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.5

4star

MG

230.5

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

6.2

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

4.2

5star

who I reckon is one of the form wingers in the comp and he is playing 90% of his games on the top wing. He has a clear role and the whole team know who will be there and hence where they will run.

 

[Section 5]

Just having a flick through that again raises questions about how we use our wingers.

I clicked through each of Berry's year and (ignoring the Melbourne game) and he seems to be alternating top and bottom wing regularly. Checking our other wingers (which is hard as we have such little consistency) and its the same. Why arent we trying to build consistency with our wingers having a more defined role? Maybe this is a real reason why we have struggled for years in getting consistent output on the wings

I went over to Josh Daicos who I reckon is one of the form wingers in the comp and he is playing 90% of his games on the top wing. He has a clear role and the whole team know who will be there and hence where they will run.

Our wingers play a strange type of game in my opinion. More of defense than a combination of offense and defense
This could be because our coaches:-
A: Want more of a defensive type winger
B: We just don't have the players capable of being more versatile.
Most likely B in my opinion.

Regarding why our wingers end up on both side during the one quarter.
This most likely happens when we make an interchange.
So, to avoid a warning or free against in regard to the 6-6-6 rule the replacement goes to the closest wing.
They could then swap over later depending on where coaches want a particular wing player to play.

 

[briztoon]

Just having a flick through that again raises questions about how we use our wingers.

I clicked through each of Berry's year and (ignoring the Melbourne game) and he seems to be alternating top and bottom wing regularly. Checking our other wingers (which is hard as we have such little consistency) and its the same. Why arent we trying to build consistency with our wingers having a more defined role? Maybe this is a real reason why we have struggled for years in getting consistent output on the wings

I went over to Josh Daicos who I reckon is one of the form wingers in the comp and he is playing 90% of his games on the top wing. He has a clear role and the whole team know who will be there and hence where they will run.

I sit on the second tier above the interchange benches at the Gabba.

From everything I have observed, Berry almost always lines up on the opposite wing. I’ve rarely seen line up on the interchange side of the ground. I can’t actually remember seeing him start on the interchange side.

Similarly, when Mcluggage was playing wing, he always lined up on the interchange side.

 

[dmac_55]

I sit on the second tier above the interchange benches at the Gabba.

From everything I have observed, Berry almost always lines up on the opposite wing. I’ve rarely seen line up on the interchange side of the ground. I can’t actually remember seeing him start on the interchange side.

Similarly, when Mcluggage was playing wing, he always lined up on the interchange side.

I wonder if wings that are more likely to run and spend higher TOG% spend their time on the opposite wing of the interchange? It would make sense strategically.

It felt live Berry was playing more on the interchange side and Prior on the opposite side on the weekend.

 

[ZoBlitz]

It's interesting how little the wing attendance breakdowns changed this week with basically just Fletcher replacing Prior as personally I thought they might go another way.

For those that are interested what did end up happening with CBAs with McCluggage missing is Ashcroft doubled his usual attendances and Bailey had his most time in the centre since the round 8 game against West Coast from last year.

Also happy to note that Rayner has taken over from Gunston as the defensive winger late in quarters when we're trying to shut things down.

Wing Attendance	Round 14	Sydney	Gabba
Names		Q1​		Q2​		Q3​		Q4​	Total​	Percentage​
	Top​	Bottom​	Top​	Bottom​	Top​	Bottom​	Top​	Bottom​
Berry	2​	4​	4​		3​	1​	7​		21​	36.21%​
Bailey	1​	1​			1​	1​			4​	6.90%​
Robertson	1​			3​	1​		1​	1​	7​	12.07%​
Fletcher	1​	2​	3​	5​	1​	4​		3​	19​	32.76%​
Rayner	2​		1​						3​	5.17%​
Ah Chee								4​	4​	6.90%​

 

[KissKiss]

It's interesting how little the wing attendance breakdowns changed this week with basically just Fletcher replacing Prior as personally I thought they might go another way.

For those that are interested what did end up happening with CBAs with McCluggage missing is Ashcroft doubled his usual attendances and Bailey had his most time in the centre since the round 8 game against West Coast from last year.

Also happy to note that Rayner has taken over from Gunston as the defensive winger late in quarters when we're trying to shut things down.

Wing Attendance	Round 14	Sydney	Gabba
Names		Q1​		Q2​		Q3​		Q4​	Total​	Percentage​
	Top​	Bottom​	Top​	Bottom​	Top​	Bottom​	Top​	Bottom​
Berry	2​	4​	4​		3​	1​	7​		21​	36.21%​
Bailey	1​	1​			1​	1​			4​	6.90%​
Robertson	1​			3​	1​		1​	1​	7​	12.07%​
Fletcher	1​	2​	3​	5​	1​	4​		3​	19​	32.76%​
Rayner	2​		1​						3​	5.17%​
Ah Chee								4​	4​	6.90%​

Also explains where Ah Chee lined up in the last. Was very hard to tell where he was being played as ball didnt seem to go near him on the tv (admittedly was such a short time)

 

[ZoBlitz]

Also explains where Ah Chee lined up in the last. Was very hard to tell where he was being played as ball didnt seem to go near him on the tv (admittedly was such a short time)

From memory his attendances were the last four of the game as well.

 

[Section 5]

I like the spread of our wingers this week.
I prefer a more even approach of DEF/FWD to playing wing. Slightly more forward is also my preference.

Berry: 77 % TOG, 18 Disposals @ 72%, 4 Marks, 1 Tackle, 2 Goals 0 Behinds.
Jaspa: 63 % TOG, 13 Disposals @ 76 %, 4 Marks, 1 Tackle, 1 Goal 2 Behinds.

I have suggested before that Rayner should have been the choice over Gunston to wing late in the game, then dropping back as the extra in defender.
That happened this week.

 

[Section 5]

From memory his attendances were the last four of the game as well.

Ah Chee played 13 minutes in the last quarter.
He defiantly played wing in that time as your attendances indicate.
He was unable to register any type of stat at all. Not even a pressure act or a 1%

 

[Dalions]

Ah Chee played 13 minutes in the last quarter.
He defiantly played wing in that time as your attendances indicate.
He was unable to register any type of stat at all. Not even a pressure act or a 1%

Did he replace Fort?

 

[Grasshopper17]

Did he replace Fort?

Yes.

 

[ZoBlitz]

Ah Chee played 13 minutes in the last quarter.
He defiantly played wing in that time as your attendances indicate.
He was unable to register any type of stat at all. Not even a pressure act or a 1%

Maybe he didn't want to get his jumper dirty to help out the cleaners.

 

[Section 5]

Maybe he didn't want to get his jumper dirty to help out the cleaners.

Maybe
But he may need to replace his number 4 Sub jumper as i noticed Fort wore it for the rest of the game.
Would be 3 sizes too big now.

 

[BuntonRules]

Ah Chee played 13 minutes in the last quarter.
He defiantly played wing in that time as your attendances indicate.
He was unable to register any type of stat at all. Not even a pressure act or a 1%

Can be a pretty thankless job, wingman in the modern game.

 

[Section 5]

Can be a pretty thankless job, wingman in the modern game.

It can be.
But i think it is more about how ineffective subs can be when activated.
I have not noticed many subs come on and be effective in the games i have watched this year.
However, i don't watch all games and i am sure there have been a few effective subs.
I briefly go over the stats for each game and take a mental note of the subs output.

Dylan Stevens was the Swans sub. He played 28 minutes to Ah Chee's 14 minutes.
Stephens had 3 disposals 3 tackles. Also attended 3 CBA's so midfield time for him.

 

[POBT]

It's interesting how little the wing attendance breakdowns changed this week with basically just Fletcher replacing Prior as personally I thought they might go another way.

For those that are interested what did end up happening with CBAs with McCluggage missing is Ashcroft doubled his usual attendances and Bailey had his most time in the centre since the round 8 game against West Coast from last year.

Also happy to note that Rayner has taken over from Gunston as the defensive winger late in quarters when we're trying to shut things down.

Wing Attendance	Round 14	Sydney	Gabba
Names		Q1​		Q2​		Q3​		Q4​	Total​	Percentage​
	Top​	Bottom​	Top​	Bottom​	Top​	Bottom​	Top​	Bottom​
Berry	2​	4​	4​		3​	1​	7​		21​	36.21%​
Bailey	1​	1​			1​	1​			4​	6.90%​
Robertson	1​			3​	1​		1​	1​	7​	12.07%​
Fletcher	1​	2​	3​	5​	1​	4​		3​	19​	32.76%​
Rayner	2​		1​						3​	5.17%​
Ah Chee								4​	4​	6.90%​

I heard Mike Whiting on the podcast talk about how much time Bailey spent on the wing, which wasn't my recollection so I'm glad I wasn't imagining things.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I heard Mike Whiting on the podcast talk about how much time Bailey spent on the wing, which wasn't my recollection so I'm glad I wasn't imagining things.

They haven't had a great couple of weeks on the roar deal.

 

[Grasshopper17]

They haven't had a great couple of weeks on the roar deal.

I thought last week's show in particular was one of their best.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I thought last week's show in particular was one of their best.

Really?

The "just because we're not top 2 doesn't rule us out from winning a premiership" episode?

Thought it was incoherent nonsense