Would the REAL Captain please stand up?

[DNine]

I will mention someone who I have yet to see mentioned, because it seems a little early, but I am very impressed by Marty Clarke, he leads by example, and he is someone that is an inspiration to other players, in how quickly he picked up the game, and is playing top class footy. You can't hold him down for too long, he is a born champion, and his understanding of the game, at this early stage of his career, is exemplemary. Don't know whether he ticks all the boxes, but he is one of our best performers on field.

Also, the suggestion of Dane Swan prior to this season starting, would be a good one. Don't know what has happened to Swan this year, he seems to turn it over alot, and doesn't seem to be concerntrating as well this year as he was last year. That drop of the ball just out from the goals, to win the game V Adelaide, was disgraceful. Captains kick those goals, with their eyes shut.

 

[rickyp]

But Marty doesn't speak English, no one knows what he's saying!

Obviously joking, but why don't we buy someone to be our captain? seems to be working for Carlton

 

[Footy guru]

I will mention someone who I have yet to see .

Also, the suggestion of Dane Swan prior to this season starting, would be a good one. Don't know what has happened to Swan this year, he seems to turn it over alot, and doesn't seem to be concerntrating as well this year as he was last year. That drop of the ball just out from the goals, to win the game V Adelaide, was disgraceful. Captains kick those goals, with their eyes shut.

You need to check his effectiveness so far this season i think it is higher than it has been in the past - the drop of the ball occurred due to the fact he had run that hard to get to it if overan it and lost control when Mc Leod came in from behind. Who kicked the goal from a left foot snap just before that to spur them on. He isnt playing more game time at the moment and if you keep an eye on him he is all over the ground they are obviously trying to improve his endurance to stay on longer as he certainly directs the play often. As for the off field things i heard a comment from a supporter last week bagging him for that indiscretion with supporters like that the guy doesnt have a chance. And i found he is good with the media fixed brayshaw up after melbourne game when asked too many personal questions and not about the game. Swannie doesnt havent to be given the role as captain in my opinion he is the captain by his actions on the field.

 

[Invigoration]

You have to give Maxwell two seasons. If the club is going nowhere, then hand the baton on. Who knows maybe someone from the junior ranks will surprise us. Its not beyond the realms that Thomas by year 6 could be mature enough, he has the personality, he is committed as well. For mine Pendlebury is not assertive enough. But Swan would be a logical choice if you are only concerned with onfield matters and dont give a hoot about off field things.

Lies like this make baby Jesus cry.

 

[loki04]

Oh sorry, should have realised that, gosh how silly of me to think that one of our players cant be captain because he got beat in a marking contest by a midget once upon a time. Let's just ignore his pedigree, record when captain etc.

Sorry again.

Thought you'd see it my way.

 

[FuManchu]

Lies like this make baby Jesus cry.

Lies?

Some bloke who turned water into wine and fish into bread or the other way around............... now there is a lie perpetrated on the feeble minded fools who are gullible enough to believe such crap.

I take it you are a doubting Thomas?

 

[HFF]

I too was on the Josh bandwagon as captain because of the fact he has ALWAYS delivered when given the extra responsibility. It's as if he finds another level.

I'm not complaining with Maxy because I still support the club's decision but one does need to wonder as to whether or not we did make a mistake.

Bit like Mitchell over Hodge. Everybody knows Hodge is the REAL captain of that footy club. Difference is, Mitchell is still a bloody good footballer. The same, whilst a goer, cannot be said for Maxy.

Will be interesting IF a new coach will appoint a new captain.

 

[daicos21]

yeah this thread has alot of carlton attributes

If we made fraser captain the calls of soft hack would of been endless "oh but the prelim 07........"

And your posts have alot of Collingwood board attributes. U sure u r not representing anyone on this site ?

 

[Optimax]

And your posts have alot of Collingwood board attributes. U sure u r not representing anyone on this site ?

I can honestly say i am not and never have had any employment at the collingwood football club

Moving on now

 

[shawthing09]

I can honestly say i am not and never have had any employment at the collingwood football club

Moving on now

No offense to you intended what so ever Opti, but clearly if the club where going to employ someone to represent it's views on a forum a little more tact and some proof reading would be in order.

If anything I think that is a backhanded compliment. In that your clearly jsut a passionate collingwood fan who says what you think. Some peoples crazy CFC conspiracies are utterly non sensical.

 

[magpies42]

After just 3 games, this is somewhat premature.

i agree.

although maxwell is not an ideal option, he is the best we have atm

 

[Histrionics]

There is obviously a reason why we didnt pick Swan as our captain.

He is a good player, He just mustn't be captain material.

 

[Optimax]

No offense to you intended what so ever Opti, but clearly if the club where going to employ someone to represent it's views on a forum a little more tact and some proof reading would be in order.

If anything I think that is a backhanded compliment. In that your clearly jsut a passionate collingwood fan who says what you think. Some peoples crazy CFC conspiracies are utterly non sensical.

No offense taken i agree 100%

I just plainly love the club, and would hope like hell they could do better with an internet forum plant then someone as abrupt and rough as guts as me. Basically im a sledge hammer and i would imagine they would use a nice soft none destructive utensil lmao

 

[Snag Breac]

I, but I hold some grave suspicions that he is still a bit of a jack the lad. Co-captaincy for me until someone emerges as an obvious candidate and demands the mantle.

This is what we're after - the instinctive demand of natural authority.

Anything on the horizon?

 

[ThePiesHaveEyesForPrize]

From what we're led to believe it was out of two (maxwell and pendles)

i didnt like it when maxwell was appointed, but lets face it pendles has hardly set the world on fire so far either...

if right now the full time captaincy was up for grabs i reckon it would be really, really hard, we have no leaders, we have no players putting their hands up. fraser - too inconsistent, davis - no thanks, didak - headcase off field etc..., pendles -doesnt impact games enough yet, lacks intensity, cloke - still unable to stay involved in games long enough.....

big, big problem on our hands, hopefully by the end of the season we have some blokes putting their names forward as LEADERS!

 

[FuManchu]

Probably a bit of wasted energy this thread

I have seen plenty of coaches get the sack mid season, but I am struggling to recall a captain being stood down mid season.

The only time I can recall something similar was Malcom Blight being captain coach in 1981 and he was sacked as coach 6 games into the season, but I think he remained captain. IIRC, he came out the next week and bagged 10 or more goals!

 

[loki04]

Probably a bit of wasted energy this thread

I have seen plenty of coaches get the sack mid season, but I am struggling to recall a captain being stood down mid season.

The only time I can recall something similar was Malcom Blight being captain coach in 1981 and he was sacked as coach 6 games into the season, but I think he remained captain. IIRC, he came out the next week and bagged 10 or more goals!

100 - 1 Maxwell never does that.

 

[RRRooocccaaa]

This is what we're after - the instinctive demand of natural authority.

Anything on the horizon?

According to DTM there's about 12 candidates!

 

[scruffydog]

I'm not reading all this, because I've read all this Maxwell bashing since he was appointed and it frustrates me. Is he our best player? No. Is he the best choice for captaincy? Yes. Why? Because it was deemed that way by the playing group and the club, and ya know what? I think they know more than a bunch of people on an internet forum who like to talk a lot.

I would have preferred to see Swan as captain too, but you're all forgetting he wasn't even in the leadership group last year, and from what I read (in an interview with him) he only seemed to put himself into it because he was one of the more mature players and thought it seemed like the right thing to do. It didn't sound like he had any actual interest in being a leader at all.

Fraser has been terrific for us this year , but was fairly crap last year (yes yes, injuries and all that, I know) and there was no way of being certain he'd come good again this year , so saying he should be captain because he's a better player than Maxwell is also fairly iffy.

You also seem to be forgetting that we're only 3 games into the season, and Maxwell was one of our best in round 1 (although sure, it was probably because almost everyone else was woeful).

So how about instead of complaining, you actually be supportive and get behind your captain. If the team was full of naysayers like you lot, we'd be completely doomed.

/rant.

 

[mattys123]

Fair enough Scruffy, but I didnt start this thread to bag Maxwell, I did it to support Josh as our future captain, but mainly to see Josh get the captaincy for the next 2 weeks.

I can see a time, maybe even 2 years in the future, when we have to replace Maxwell as captain, and looking at the current list, like so many, I dont see too many options.

But Josh Fraser stands out, in 2 years he will be 28-29, still have 3-4 good years left in him, and will be hitting the age when most ruckmen fully mature and play their best football.

I know Maxwell will be our captain for this year, and unless something drastic happens, next year also, but we will have to change it one day, and I see Josh as the best option, despite what opposition supporters say.

So, Josh for captain against Brisbane and Essendon, and if he succeeds like I believe he will, it will only add to the leadership of Maxwell once he returns, as I see Maxwell, MM and all the coaches and leaders at the club needing all the help they can get to reach their full potential this year and beyond.

 

[RRRooocccaaa]

I don't think Maxwell has been a great captain, but that doesn't mean he won't be.

Whether or not he imposes himself on the game is one thing. To me, it's more about his ability to get his teammates 'up' when they're struggling for concentration or losing their grip on the struggle.

He doesn't need to flatten someone to do this, he needs to get in the face of everyone from the backline to the forward 50 circle and remind them that they're playing for each other. To trust themselves and to start believing again.

The thing is he already knows how to do this, being an excellent club man and thinker, but has just allowed the heat of the match to get to him. He should move to the centre and stop being a backman if he's going to get into the thick of things. Being a backman is preventing him from organising stoppages and re-addressing team instructions.