Analysis Would the stand rule still have been introduced if Geelong had won the 2020 premiership?

[CatToTheFuture]

Not sure why it's all about Richmond when Geelong changed their style purely to beat Melbourne in finals. Turns out you didn't need to, but anyway...

The talking point no one really touches on much is the degree to which Geelong started rotating defensive midfielders so we had something to stop us getting steamrolled by Petracca.

I still have nightmares sometimes

 

[Danw0w]

I couldn’t give a f*** about the stand rule.

It’s a rule, same as every other one that’s been brought into the game over 160 years. I simply piss myself laughing at how much moaning gets done over it by people making up reasons and excuses for not being dominant


There is a reason 90 per cent of the people cutting themselves about it support the same team

You don’t give a ****, yet feel the need to constantly defend the rule whenever it or it’s implementation are criticised?

The OP never mentioned it as an excuse for not being dominant. Anyone that does is probably venting as very few people genuinely believe that. The general consensus amongst my Richmond mates is that injury and form, rather than the rule change, are the reasons we dropped off in 2021 and that our midfield was just undersized this year. I believe that we would be better without the stand rule, but it is not why we have underperformed and certainly not the main reason why I disagree with it.

Also, Id like to add that “cutting themselves” is in poor taste, especially with the forum’s stance on mental health.

 

[Danw0w]

FMD the tigers supporters just can’t move on

Why do you make that assumption?

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Honestly Richmond football was fuggin horrible to watch, like a rolling maul crossed with netball. Made me pine for a knock on rule.

Glad they killed it, and Richmond with it.

I actually enjoyed it. Richmond when they were at their peak were fierce.

I think the part that is lost on lot of their fans was the degree to which they relied on sheer running capacity. 5 years of pure gut running and they were just out of gas. The timing of the rule change just gives them an easy out rather than confronting the fact that what they did before won't work anymore.

They'll get over it next year with a new midfield and a new game style.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

For every Tim Watson there are far more who thinks it detrimental. It is the most hated rule introduced that I can remember. But that article mainly talks about the 6-6-6 rule, which I have no problem with, it is a minor adjustment.

As I have said, make some degree of movement for argument sake 2-3m either way laterally and the problem with 50m will go away unless the player pushes it too far. The players would very quickly work out what is allowable and what isn't and the ball carrier would not have the advantage that they have. It is the only non grey area rule in our game, yet it has the harshest penalty, it makes no sense.

Fans say it's detrimental because they need a coping mechanism.

You have a couple of great players coming and a lot of talent still on the list. Time to move on with your life

 

[PhatBoy]

You don’t give a *, yet feel the need to constantly defend the rule whenever it or it’s implementation are criticised?

The OP never mentioned it as an excuse for not being dominant. Anyone that does is probably venting as very few people genuinely believe that. The general consensus amongst my Richmond mates is that injury and form, rather than the rule change, are the reasons we dropped off in 2021 and that our midfield was just undersized this year. I believe that we would be better without the stand rule, but it is not why we have underperformed and certainly not the main reason why I disagree with it.

Also, Id like to add that “cutting themselves” is in poor taste, especially with the forum’s stance on mental health.

It’s a thread directly linked to my team as are all the threads I post in on the main board with a couple of exceptions.

No I don’t care about the rule. The game looks fine as far as I’m concerned, it looked fine before it and looked fine after it and they can scrap it or enhance it for all I care. I’m sick of reading the same thing over and over again: excuses. Maybe not from you personally, but it’s a recurring theme and one that is relentless in its repetition.

As a self harmer in the past myself perhaps I underestimate the power of terms like cutting oneself

 

[PhatBoy]

Fans say it's detrimental because they need a coping mechanism.

You have a couple of great players coming and a lot of talent still on the list. Time to move on with your life

This.


I don’t get what is so hard about just accepting at a given moment that other teams have been better, same as other teams had to defer to Richmond or Hawthorn and applaud them for their quality.

 

[Piggy Smalls]

Why would the AFL want a team with 100000 members to stop winning premierships?
I’m sure this won’t get through the inflated heads of a lot of Tiger supporters but maybe they just aren’t the best team anymore regardless of the rule changes.

 

[Grrr]

Fans say it's detrimental because they need a coping mechanism.

You have a couple of great players coming and a lot of talent still on the list. Time to move on with your life

Thanks for caring.

 

[Grrr]

Why would the AFL want a team with 100000 members to stop winning premierships?
I’m sure this won’t get through the inflated heads of a lot of Tiger supporters but maybe they just aren’t the best team anymore regardless of the rule changes.

You may be right, what has that got to do with a shite rule being a shite rule.

 

[Grrr]

This.


I don’t get what is so hard about just accepting at a given moment that other teams have been better, same as other teams had to defer to Richmond or Hawthorn and applaud them for their quality.

What has that got to do with the rule.

 

[Danw0w]

It’s a thread directly linked to my team as are all the threads I post in on the main board with a couple of exceptions.

No I don’t care about the rule. The game looks fine as far as I’m concerned, it looked fine before it and looked fine after it and they can scrap it or enhance it for all I care. I’m sick of reading the same thing over and over again: excuses. Maybe not from you personally, but it’s a recurring theme and one that is relentless in its repetition.

As a self harmer in the past myself perhaps I underestimate the power of terms like cutting oneself

That I can agree on. I can’t stand excuses, whether it be umpiring, injuries or rules. Without the stand rule, Geelong still would have been good enough this year and Richmond still wouldn’t have been good enough last year.

As a side note, I hope I didn’t come across as self righteous on the self harm issue. It’s just an issue that is very personal to me. I wish the best for you and anyone else reading this that might be struggling/ have struggled in the past.

 

[Falcon3518]

A style that the rule favours so strongly that Geelong completely abandoned the game style. Cool story

Can you cats supporters bloody make up your minds. You say you’ve completely abandoned it but Sttew is acting like you’ve changed nothing. F me it’s enough to drive people crazy.

I’m beginning to think some of you guys have no idea how you changed to actually win 2022. PB and Sky get it, but geez you other guys have no clue.


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[Anthony80]

The fact is it was brought in to stop Richmond working the mark and to prompt teams to move the ball quicker and do what all commentators used to say should be done when the game was getting away from a team in the last, and that is, to take risks and move the ball quicker, only what sort of risk is it when the man on the mark is a "statue"? No risk, so basically the AFL helped Richmond's opponents (Geelong in particular) when they couldn't help themselves before the stand rule.

I'm sure we all remember Whateley after Richmond beat Geelong in the '20 GF saying "we've all seen this movie before."

When Richmond played Geelong in rnd 15 this season and got to a 17pt lead in the 4th it looked exactly like that movie we'd all seen before, but this time the man on the mark was a "statue." So Geelong knowing why the rule was brought in and remembering what they trialed at KP knew what they had to do to avoid a repeat of the '20 GF, and that is move the ball quicker because there is no risk when the man on the mark is a "statue."

So that's the story of how Geelong won the '22 GF because of Steve Hocking, in my opinion the coach of the year in '21 & '22.

If you're not cheating, you're not trying, this is the Geelong way.

 

[Grin]

I actually enjoyed it. Richmond when they were at their peak were fierce.

I think the part that is lost on lot of their fans was the degree to which they relied on sheer running capacity. 5 years of pure gut running and they were just out of gas. The timing of the rule change just gives them an easy out rather than confronting the fact that what they did before won't work anymore.

They'll get over it next year with a new midfield and a new game style.

Interesting point, but an interesting stat contradicts: Richmond generally ran less total distance in a game than most teams between 2017 and 20. They knew where to position on field, especially at the G, and had lots of repeat efforts, but ultimately ran less distance than most.

 

[PhatBoy]

That I can agree on. I can’t stand excuses, whether it be umpiring, injuries or rules. Without the stand rule, Geelong still would have been good enough this year and Richmond still wouldn’t have been good enough last year.

As a side note, I hope I didn’t come across as self righteous on the self harm issue. It’s just an issue that is very personal to me. I wish the best for you and anyone else reading this that might be struggling/ have struggled in the past.

All good. And like I said you personally may not be engaging on this subject from a ‘this stopped us/this helped someone else’ standpoint but it’s honestly been brought up in every single thread and more often than not it’s part of a conspiracy theory or excuse tangent and it gets real tiresome real quick.

Cats fans in the past have blamed venue on some of our failings or a rough trot with the MRP: I would love 11 home games and finals - No denying that - but it has f*** all to do with us not winning a comp between 12-21. We weren’t good enough plain and simple. Same as the rushed behinds on 2008: who gives a shit, a better performance on the day would have made it irrelevant

 

[PhatBoy]

The fact is it was brought in to stop Richmond working the mark and to prompt teams to move the ball quicker and do what all commentators used to say should be done when the game was getting away from a team in the last, and that is, to take risks and move the ball quicker, only what sort of risk is it when the man on the mark is a "statue"? No risk, so basically the AFL helped Richmond's opponents (Geelong in particular) when they couldn't help themselves before the stand rule.

I'm sure we all remember Whateley after Richmond beat Geelong in the '20 GF saying "we've all seen this movie before."

When Richmond played Geelong in rnd 15 this season and got to a 17pt lead in the 4th it looked exactly like that movie we'd all seen before, but this time the man on the mark was a "statue." So Geelong knowing why the rule was brought in and remembering what they trialed at KP knew what they had to do to avoid a repeat of the '20 GF, and that is move the ball quicker because there is no risk when the man on the mark is a "statue."

So that's the story of how Geelong won the '22 GF because of Steve Hocking, in my opinion the coach of the year in '21 & '22.

If you're not cheating, you're not trying, this is the Geelong way.

Amazing how in many of those matches the rules only seemed to have an impact for half the game

 

[Anthony80]

I actually enjoyed it. Richmond when they were at their peak were fierce.

I did too!

I think the part that is lost on lot of their fans was the degree to which they relied on sheer running capacity. 5 years of pure gut running and they were just out of gas.

Not lost on me, I mentioned on another thread what a taxing game style we had and that it may be a reason why some of our players started getting more injuries.

The timing of the rule change just gives them an easy out rather than confronting the fact that what they did before won't work anymore.

We don't know that. I mentioned previously how we could beat Port in Adelaide without Dustin, Rance, Reiwoldt and Cotchin because of our system.

 

[BotsMaster]

Probably not. But it's had a successful outcome since its inception.

 

[Falcon3518]

The fact is it was brought in to stop Richmond working the mark and to prompt teams to move the ball quicker and do what all commentators used to say should be done when the game was getting away from a team in the last, and that is, to take risks and move the ball quicker, only what sort of risk is it when the man on the mark is a "statue"? No risk, so basically the AFL helped Richmond's opponents (Geelong in particular) when they couldn't help themselves before the stand rule.

I'm sure we all remember Whateley after Richmond beat Geelong in the '20 GF saying "we've all seen this movie before."

When Richmond played Geelong in rnd 15 this season and got to a 17pt lead in the 4th it looked exactly like that movie we'd all seen before, but this time the man on the mark was a "statue." So Geelong knowing why the rule was brought in and remembering what they trialed at KP knew what they had to do to avoid a repeat of the '20 GF, and that is move the ball quicker because there is no risk when the man on the mark is a "statue."

So that's the story of how Geelong won the '22 GF because of Steve Hocking, in my opinion the coach of the year in '21 & '22.

If you're not cheating, you're not trying, this is the Geelong way.

They even showed a video of Baker manning the mark saying ‘this is why the rule was brought in, to stop this’ They didn’t even wanna try and hide it [emoji23]

I have no idea why Geelong people care though. The stand rule alone doesn’t decide premiers. They were just too good this year, move on.

Btw I like the rule, reduce the penalty to 25m and have the umpires stop saying ‘stand’ and it’s perfect. Opens up the game imo.


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[Anthony80]

They even showed a video of Baker manning the mark saying ‘this is why the rule was brought in, to stop this’ They didn’t even wanna try and hide it [emoji23]

Yeah I know, they couldn't of showed a player from any other team because they were all just going through the motions on the mark before the stand rule.

I have no idea why Geelong people care though. The stand rule alone doesn’t decide premiers. They were just too good this year, move on.

I truly believe that Geelong won the flag because of the stand rule, they don't win it otherwise in my opinion.

 

[Falcon3518]

Yeah I know, they couldn't of showed a player from any other team because they were all just going through the motions on the mark before the stand rule.

I truly believe that Geelong won the flag because of the stand rule, they don't win it otherwise in my opinion.

Fair enough, but we didn’t go to shit in 2021 and 2022 solely cause of it. Other factors were at play as well.


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[FreddyTwoShoes]

I wouldn't have thought it possible, but this thread is more cringe now than when it started.

 

[Piggy Smalls]

You may be right, what has that got to do with a shite rule being a shite rule.

Because every second post in here seems to be from a Richmond supporter convinced the rule was brought in because Richmond had become some mythical footballing creature unable to be defeated and if there had been no rule changes Richmond would have won the next 99 flags.
This thread is more about Richmond than Geelong and everyone with a half a brain knows it.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Can you cats supporters bloody make up your minds. You say you’ve completely abandoned it but Sttew is acting like you’ve changed nothing. F me it’s enough to drive people crazy.

I’m beginning to think some of you guys have no idea how you changed to actually win 2022. PB and Sky get it, but geez you other guys have no clue.


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