News Yarran Charged

[meima]

I delist you !!!

just sick of good/Bad cops discussion.

 

[StingBitten]

Not just a failure to move on, but a disorderly charge as well.

http://www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/2016-06-26/fremantle-football-club-statement
"Yarran was initially issued with a move on notice by police in Leederville.
A short time later he was spoken to again by police for allegedly failing to obey the move on notice.
The 27-year-old was subsequently charged with disorderly behaviour in public and fail to obey an order given by police."

from http://perth.australiancriminallawy...rderly-behaviour-in-public-disorderly-conduct

"What the Law states according to WA Law for Disorderly Behaviour in Public (Disorderly Conduct)
According to WA Law for the charge of Disorderly Behaviour in Public (Disorderly Conduct):

Section 74A: A person who behaves in a disorderly manner in a public place or in the sight or hearing of any person who is in a public place or who behaves in a disorderly manner in a police station or lock-up, is guilty of an offence.

“Disorderly Behaviour” includes:

(1) Using insulting, threatening or offensive language; and
(2) Behaving in an insulting, threatening or offensive manner."

I presume then that he had some words about being moved on, which led to the disorderly charge. Note: they would have charged him with some form of public drunkenness charge as well if he was pissed, they didn't.

Yes you are right; that is the very literal translation of the law - but you're expecting 23 year old Coppers to administer this chapter and verse.

In the present day, 'Disorderly Conduct' is often administered to anyone who isn't obeying direct Police orders - i.e. a Police 'Move On' notice.
True; it may very well have been for aggressive behaviour but be well aware how 'generalised' our Police force have become in handing out infringements. I would take fairly low stock in the idea that charges are handed out purely on its black-and-white-letter (literal) translation.

I could just be an apologist however.

 

[scon]

The role and qualities of the coppers in our society?????Wow!!!!
Roger Rogerson is a pearler at one end of the spectrum!!

TBH, I don't think we are going to get anymore details. Club is handling it, end of story.

We'll get the lot when it hits the courts.
I'm hoping he was pissing on a brick wall up an alley,was told to put it back in his pants and move on,but he finished his pee and so they booked him
While he hasn't done himself any favours I still hope to see him kicking goals in the Purple.

 

[ydraw]

Yeah, good one - everyone thinks it's OK to tell a cop to **** off until they need one. Maybe the alternative to telling him to move on was to arrest him. Maybe the cops were doing him a favour - we just don't have the facts.

Never needed a cop for help in my life. Didn't even have any where I grew up. In the city I never experienced anything from them other than arrogance and a willingness to make people miserable just because they can.

Now I live in Thailand where the cops wont even leave their station unless you bribe them to do so and that's just fine with me.

Edit: Actually did once go to Scarborough cop shop to get one of them to witness a Stat Dec because nobody I knew was apparently respectable enough to watch me sign something.

 

[couldhavebeen]

The club has barely 27 players from its entire squad to pick from. Yarran, on the night after a WAFL game, and instead of getting sleep and recovering, goes out on the town and gets in trouble with the law. This scenario screams 'I don't give a ****'. Considering his background, it doesn't look like he is taking his AFL opportunity seriously. I know that it sounds like a weak charge but he shouldn't of been there in the first place. Rosich has said that we're gonna rebuild, how does a 27 year old with behavioral problems fit into that rebuild?

I'm angry because the club has worked hard to earn a lot of respect over the last few years and it seems like we're losing a huge chunk of it this year.

Really I get the fact that you are angry about the guy getting a move on notice and then not moving fast enough for the cops but both Peel and Fremantle have a bye this week so I would suggest that most of the players both for Peel and Freo had a night out and yes he was dumb to go where trouble could and often happens but young footballers aren't the brightest of people when it comes to making good decisions .He informed the club as soon as he could and the club has stated that it will impose a penalty on him which means that the leadership group will decide what the club will do . Shane will wear the penalty and then work his ass off to show the Club and players that he deserves to be there .If he doesn't then the axe will fall very quickly and everyone will move on end of story.

 

[FreoMonocle]

Yes you are right; that is the very literal translation of the law - but you're expecting 23 year old Coppers to administer this chapter and verse..

Just making observations is all. I personally think the move on law only has a place in a police state, not a democracy. It changes the roles of cops as enforcers of the law and turns them into the law.

 

[Banker]

He is a bad egg, just like Krak who was hailed a hero at the pies

 

[scon]

I live in the SW and had coppers arrive at my property years ago and proceed to harass me on the strength of some phone call they'd received claiming that I'd overtaken on double lines.
Someone had seen my car 'cos I had been on that road;I'd also been driving that road for years and seen all versions of carnage.Significantly I had not passed anyone on no passing lines.
I asked the coppers to ring the complainant and let me ask them what,where,when etc they said they could not/would not.
I've got Dockers plates and said to them 'So it could just be someone who doesn't like the Dockers?'
The bad copper then said to me that they could yellow sticker my car because I'd just had the tyres rotated and he reckoned there was something there which I couldn't see.
By this time I was suffering fascist fatigue and told them to put a canary on the thing or shoot it to death or incinerate it but to get off my property and that I was going inside to ring the sergeant and let him know how his boys were entertaining themselves doing jack shit save harassing the innocent public.
Subsequent to the phone call the Sarg asked me to come up and burn a chop with them all at the station,an invite which I declined;after which he offered to have the clowns come round and apologise,which I also declined.
Hope our boy's as innocent but don't think it's gonna play out like that.

 

[Freo Shark]

And you turned down a free burnt chop...geez yer tough on them.Nothing like a burnt chop.

 

[scon]

It was a company thing.

 

[Sweetback]

One thing I've learned from watching the news this year is that there is no shortage of ****wits in the police forces the world over.

 

[Clems Knee]

I've had dealings with police on about four or five occasions in my life. At least one was my stuff up. Each time, without exception, I've been treated politely and with respect. Then again I'm a white male, so that may have something to do with it.
Of course my anecdotes probably have nothing to do with Yarran's situation either.

 

[DudleyDocker]

I've had dealings with police on about four or five occasions in my life. At least one was my stuff up. Each time, without exception, I've been treated politely and with respect. Then again I'm a white male, so that may have something to do with it.
Of course my anecdotes probably have nothing to do with Yarran's situation either.

Don't come in here with reasoned discussion mate, this is the cop bashing thread.

Reminds me of how much the Eagles hated cops when they were persecuting Cousins, Kerr, Gardy and the gang.

 

[Nothing]

I live in the SW and had coppers arrive at my property years ago and proceed to harass me on the strength of some phone call they'd received claiming that I'd overtaken on double lines.
Someone had seen my car 'cos I had been on that road;I'd also been driving that road for years and seen all versions of carnage.Significantly I had not passed anyone on no passing lines.
I asked the coppers to ring the complainant and let me ask them what,where,when etc they said they could not/would not.
I've got Dockers plates and said to them 'So it could just be someone who doesn't like the Dockers?'
The bad copper then said to me that they could yellow sticker my car because I'd just had the tyres rotated and he reckoned there was something there which I couldn't see.
By this time I was suffering fascist fatigue and told them to put a canary on the thing or shoot it to death or incinerate it but to get off my property and that I was going inside to ring the sergeant and let him know how his boys were entertaining themselves doing jack shit save harassing the innocent public.
Subsequent to the phone call the Sarg asked me to come up and burn a chop with them all at the station,an invite which I declined;after which he offered to have the clowns come round and apologise,which I also declined.
Hope our boy's as innocent but don't think it's gonna play out like that.

Should have asked if it was pork.

 

[scon]

I think the Sarg was a decent bloke trying to control campaigners.
What concerned me was the pricks who turned up at my joint(no prob with them following up a complaint) were in their 40's.
Should have gathered some PR skills and failing that simple manners and thinking ability.

 

[freoextra]

Don't come in here with reasoned discussion mate, this is the cop bashing thread.

Reminds me of how much the Eagles hated cops when they were persecuting Cousins, Kerr, Gardy and the gang.

Really not enjoying this cop bashing capper.

For sure there will be a small amount that allow the power to go to their heads but try to remember the scum they have to deal with every day, the accidents they attend and the families they have to give bad news to and also who you will be screaming to for help when that arseh*le is breaking into your house.

No I am not a cop and nor is anyone in my family but I did come from a time when people respected what the police did for them and I certainly wouldn't want their job dealing with shitheads all the time (including a few of the posters on here).

 

[Sweetback]

I've had friends have to move house because they were harassed by cops. They were a young, white couple. I've had reasonable dealings directly when reporting a burg that took place in the doctor's surgery next door, and other times when we were broken into. Like all professions, there are saints and sinners that make up the police force, but like everyone who I deal with, the onus is on them to earn my respect, I don't give it just because I see a uniform.

 

[freoextra]

I've had friends have to move house because they were harassed by cops. They were a young, white couple. I've had reasonable dealings directly when reporting a burg that took place in the doctor's surgery next door, and other times when we were broken into. Like all professions, there are saints and sinners that make up the police force, but like everyone who I deal with, the onus is on them to earn my respect, I don't give it just because I see a uniform.

Pity, a bit of respect goes a long way.

Respect for your country and the opportunities you have been given, respect for the ANZACS, respect for the Ambos, Emergency Services, the armed forces who do our fighting for us and yes respect for the police who have a shit job to do.

But you continue on thinking everyone needs to earn your respect, it seems to fit the new thing " it's all about me" well I don't think it is.

 

[Clems Knee]

I've had friends have to move house because they were harassed by cops. They were a young, white couple. I've had reasonable dealings directly when reporting a burg that took place in the doctor's surgery next door, and other times when we were broken into. Like all professions, there are saints and sinners that make up the police force, but like everyone who I deal with, the onus is on them to earn my respect, I don't give it just because I see a uniform.

Surely respect should be the default position, whether there is a uniform or not? i like to think people have to earn my disrespect.

 

[StingBitten]

I've had dealings with police on about four or five occasions in my life. At least one was my stuff up. Each time, without exception, I've been treated politely and with respect. Then again I'm a white male, so that may have something to do with it.
Of course my anecdotes probably have nothing to do with Yarran's situation either.

Agreed with everything except the White male statement. Not really on board with the 'white male get treated like kings theory'.

But then again I'm a white male

 

[scon]

Really not enjoying this cop bashing capper.

Hardly.
The police came to my house and accused me of something which hadn't happened on the basis of an anonymous phone call which they refused to verify.
Once that vexatious accusation was shown to be fallacious the gentlemen decided to show me how they could exercise their power over me by arbitrarily putting a yellow sticker on my car.
I've got no problem with law enforcement and the troopers employed to do it.
In fact if I was running the country the SAS would be standing in the Bikies bedrooms tomorrow when they woke up.
Or the bedrooms of any other flog dealing ice.

 

[Clems Knee]

Agreed with everything except the White male statement. Not really on board with the 'white male get treated like kings theory'.

But then again I'm a white male

I don't think I subscribe to that theory either. i don't think I get treated like a king. But I'm pretty sure that women or people of non English descent might suggest that my experience is not representative of theirs, because they may be treated differently because they are women or ethnically different.

 

[Clems Knee]

Hardly.
The police came to my house and accused me of something which hadn't happened on the basis of an anonymous phone call which they refused to verify.
Once that vexatious accusation was shown to be fallacious the gentlemen decided to show me how they could exercise their power over me by arbitrarily putting a yellow sticker on my car.
I've got no problem with law enforcement and the troopers employed to do it.
In fact if I was running the country the SAS would be standing in the Bikies bedrooms tomorrow when they woke up.
Or the bedrooms of any other flog dealing ice.

So did you ever work out which Eagles loving prick of a neighbour it was who reported you?

 

[scon]

Lived in the town for a long time and a well known Freo supporter.Plenty of scum supporters with phones around.
Put it down to general campaigner contagion.
I didn't even resent the campaigner it was the flogs in the driveway that exhausted my good will.

 

[footyfix]

WA police have a pretty bad record when it comes to the Indigenous population. I'm gunna blame the cops for being campaigners.

I used to help people from other countries settle here during the mining boom. One guy, a highly paid and regarded Jr. Executive was at welcoming drinks with his colleagues when they decided to kick on in North Bridge. He was new to the company so hadn't had much to drink and a lot less than most of the others. When they got to the club all the others got in but he was told he was drunk so couldn't come in. While he was outside trying to call and text the only number he had for the group inside he got a move on notice that he didn't really know what was for but he started to leave and then the guy inside called back and said he was coming out to get him. When he turned around and went back not 5 minutes later the cops arrested him. He wasn't drunk or rude he was from Kenya. Welcome to Perth. It was bloody embarrassing. So I'll wait for more info on Shane Yarran before I have an opinion.