Roast Yarran

[len_jet]

Right, and they both "slid" a bit too didn't they? So you are kinda backing me up??

Because they were success stories, but you don't mention Tom Williams or the ones who weren't??

IIRC Ziebells niggles were many and varied, not a specific issue that could be targeted.

well tom williams has come good, gumbleton is one that comes to mind...

selwood slid because of his knee, and judd went three as hawks and saints were nervous over the shoulders...

at the end of the day it's all a lottery and like walker you couldnt predict the shoulder issues he has because they developed after an injury well after the draft...

as for backing you up... i'm stradling the fence...

 

[Malifice]

Yarran is more likely to be an Oakley-nichols clone than Rioli.

I dont want to wait 3-4 years. Yarran is not a KPP that takes time to mature. Look at him he looks older than Judd does.

Rich was a sure bet. He would have made judd's impact even greater ( if thats at all possible ). He may have even prolonged Judds
career by taking away a lot of the contested ball and freeing Juddy up.

I left yesterday's game without any positives. Without Judd we are
nothing! And the thought of Rich in dark navy on the G yesterday made my day even worse.

Dude - Chill out on Rich!

The 'we should have picked so and so' argument is a fallacy. In hindsight everyone is a drafting god. Hindsight will also show every recruiter up from time to time.

Its completely a waste of time to suggest the shouldve, wouldve, couldve.

I personally wanted Ziebell at 6. And did all the way up until we called out Yarrans name at #6. Now JZ is a Roo and Yarran is a Blue.

I mean even if you are right and Rich turns out to be a better pick up than Yarran in the long run, or I was right and Ziebell turns out better - Horse. Bolted. Door.

Now the only thing that I care about is getting his preparation right so we can see exactly what he is capable of.

In the meantime I suggest we support the kid. Critisisms (where warranted) should be constructive and relevant. Not only do I find it a little hard to be overly critical of him after just two games in the seniors, It astounds me that some in here are actually writing him off already.

 

[tigris]

In the meantime I suggest we support the kid. Critisisms (where warranted) should be constructive and relevant. Not only do I find it a little hard to be overly critical of him after just two games in the seniors, It astounds me that some in here are actually writing him off already.

Pulling out of a contest because you are going to get hurt is something no AFL player should do, 1 game or 300 games. Robbo is only 4-5 games or something into his career and he's hit every contest like a seasoned veteran, yet i've seen Yarran pull out of 3 in 2 games.

 

[40yearBLUE]

Pulling out of a contest because you are going to get hurt is something no AFL player should do, 1 game or 300 games. Robbo is only 4-5 games or something into his career and he's hit every contest like a seasoned veteran, yet i've seen Yarran pull out of 3 in 2 games.

Yep I saw them too. But then I also saw a Yeti and last night I had dinner with Elvis. Never been abducted by aliens though, they always ask me to leave the spaceship.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

Pulling out of a contest because you are going to get hurt is something no AFL player should do, 1 game or 300 games. Robbo is only 4-5 games or something into his career and he's hit every contest like a seasoned veteran, yet i've seen Yarran pull out of 3 in 2 games.

Aw man, that is too low. 2nd game player and all! I've filed you away under "no comprehende" cause there is no way you are speaking like a Carlton fan!!

 

[Silvagnis]

I can't wait for the revisionist history if we drop Yarran and the "We never should have dropped Yarran" posts appear after he has a good game in the firsts.

See Mitch Robinson...

 

[Big Red is back]

I think it is fair to say atm Ryan H should be in the side ahead of him at a minimum

 

[Banga19]

I think it is fair to say atm Ryan H should be in the side ahead of him at a minimum

Fair enough for you to say that, the match committee disagree however.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

Fair enough for you to say that, the match committee disagree however.

Will be interesting to see what the MC does this week. Houla does offer more at this stage. I think Yarran will make way for someone.

 

[Cruiser23]

Didn't look like he was on for very long, considering the nature of the score was surprised to not see him play the whole or most of the final quarter. Will be interesting to see his TOG, dare i say 50-60%, hard to get involved with such limited TOG.

Bingo Cruiser, on the money again.

Seriously though, 55% TOG on the weekend, most people would find it hard to get a grip on the game with such a low percentage of time on the ground, especially a small forward. As i said above, considering the nature of the game i question why Ratten didn't use him more. He had 6 touches, 1 goal 1 behind and a goal assist (Stevens left footer), not horrible for a small forward in his 2nd game at the top level.

 

[blueheart]

I'd say give him another week!
Waite & Fev taking the KP posts with Yarran & Eddie both playing the crumbing role is a much more potent set up
I was surprised as anyone that Hoops was dropped but I can't see any changes this week and nor should there be.
Time to start building a settled line up rather than making multiple changes each week especially after a 8.5 goal win

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

I think people can get carried away with what we can achieve this season. Yes, we should play finals and yes it would be nice to win one...but I don't think we should lose sight of the fact that we are not a real shot at a flag for another 12 months and this year should also be used to develop players.

So I think Yarran should continue playing as long as the MC think it will aid his development. Same goes for the likes of Hampson, Austin etc.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

I don't think Yarran is ready, and his performances aside from a good first quarter against Freo should not be enough to keep him in the side. The game against the Pies was one way traffic yet he didn't do that much. The game will only get harder vs Adelaide and we need 22 hard runners willing to do the hard things.

Also, right now we have players in the 2s busting a gut trying to get a game going wtf!! This is one way of putting those players offside.

The only thing I could understand on keeping Yarran is that Ratten (the MC) has some inbuilt team code that once you are elevated you get a string of games no matter how you perform. If that is the case, then i'm ok with Yarran getting a third game.

 

[Charbzilla]

Match Committee will be looking to develop his confidence.

DO you honestly think that they will drop Yaz for the indigenous round!!!!?

He will play 99.95% (if fit)

 

[Bluebear]

Honestly i think he was ok but for intensity,speed and tackling on the forward line bring back Garlett. Only a slight body but boy whata big heart, this kid is the steal of the darft.

Garlett had great inferred pressure by closing guys down and getting near them.

They figured out after round 2 that he didn't actually lay that many tackles and was fairly easy to break so the inferred pressure diappeared.

That, and his skills/decision making needs work.

Maybe a player for the future, but not up to senior level ATM.

Seriously though, 55% TOG on the weekend, most people would find it hard to get a grip on the game with such a low percentage of time on the ground, especially a small forward.

Most sensible thing said in this thread. What is so hard for people to understand?

Can anyone name me a small forward that came in and dominated from game 1? Betts didn't. Davis didn't......Davey........the list goes on.

It's a hard position to play. He's kicking a goal a (half) game? Yeah.....dud.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

Match Committee will be looking to develop his confidence.

DO you honestly think that they will drop Yaz for the indigenous round!!!!?

He will play 99.95% (if fit)

I agree he probably wont be dropped.

I just dont think that is very good rationale to keep him in. Are other players going to be named on Italian weekend???

And also, what about the confidence of other players doing well in the 2s and not getting picked!

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

Garlett had great inferred pressure by closing guys down and getting near them.

They figured out after round 2 that he didn't actually lay that many tackles and was fairly easy to break so the inferred pressure diappeared.

That, and his skills/decision making needs work.

Maybe a player for the future, but not up to senior level ATM.


Most sensible thing said in this thread. What is so hard for people to understand?

Can anyone name me a small forward that came in and dominated from game 1? Betts didn't. Davis didn't......Davey........the list goes on.

It's a hard position to play. He's kicking a goal a (half) game? Yeah.....dud.

I know what you are saying BB but if you look at Garlett, he came on and had a REAL impact in his first game. This earnt him another game or two. Yarran hasnt had a real impact except for Q1 vs Freo. I dont agree with free rides in the team. And i do think he is only getting a game due to it being the indigenous round...surely that is poor criteria!

 

[Charbzilla]

Thats a good argument, however, he did nothing wrong to warrant being omitted. So thats the clause i am basing his inclusion on. the special round could be what he needs to get up and running...

Can seem him slotting thru a pearler from the boundary this weekend =P

 

[Blue Bawls]

I know what you are saying BB but if you look at Garlett, he came on and had a REAL impact in his first game. This earnt him another game or two. Yarran hasnt had a real impact except for Q1 vs Freo. I dont agree with free rides in the team. And i do think he is only getting a game due to it being the indigenous round...surely that is poor criteria!

Might not be the best reason to have the bloke in the side, but I agree with those who say he needs match time to develop - same as all our other high draft picks. The only bloke who's impressed me straight out of the blocks is Kreuzer, while the others have all needed bedding in time. The fact that he has such a good team around him now just highlights how far he has to go, but he's part of the future of the team and should be given a chance at senior level.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

Hope you're right..and if he does, can i reserve the right to jump on board the Yazz train!

 

[Salaryman]

He had 55% game time.....kicked 1, gave two away and really should have nabbed another he would normally kick in his sleep.


tough crowd you lot.

What is so difficult to comprehend about Yarran being effective and performing his role without needing to accumulate 25 possessions across HF. He's not going to be a walk-up Steve Johnson. It is about hitting the scoreboard with his opportunities.

 

[Azul]

right now we have players in the 2s busting a gut trying to get a game going wtf!!

Sorry, but who? The TV game I watched, last week, the only player that put his hand up for selection was Robinson, who was promptly promoted.

Houlihan played at VFL standard, Bannister seemed content to whack blokes and get reported, Fisher had a 'good game' by his standards and yet only 2 goals, Setanta did okay in the ruck but is now below Hampson in the pecking order, Anderson did nothing special in the backline. Hartlett was serviceable in the backline but wouldn't get a game ahead of Bower, Austin, Thornton, Waite and Jamison.

We had a few rookies and a first year player named O'Keeffe but no one ahead of Yarran.

Then there's Cloke and Wiggins who haven't shown much in the past few weeks.

Unless one of Grigg, Carrazzo, Walker, Jacobs or Warnock are ready to return from injury Yarran can stay in the seniors for the rest of the year as far as I'm concerned.

 

[len_jet]

Garlett had great inferred pressure by closing guys down and getting near them.

They figured out after round 2 that he didn't actually lay that many tackles and was fairly easy to break so the inferred pressure diappeared.

That, and his skills/decision making needs work.

Maybe a player for the future, but not up to senior level ATM.


Most sensible thing said in this thread. What is so hard for people to understand?

Can anyone name me a small forward that came in and dominated from game 1? Betts didn't. Davis didn't......Davey........the list goes on.

It's a hard position to play. He's kicking a goal a (half) game? Yeah.....dud.

Wonameri

don't disagree or anything just wanted to put this bloke forward...

 

[Bluebear]

I know what you are saying BB but if you look at Garlett, he came on and had a REAL impact in his first game. This earnt him another game or two. Yarran hasnt had a real impact except for Q1 vs Freo. I dont agree with free rides in the team. And i do think he is only getting a game due to it being the indigenous round...surely that is poor criteria!

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...d1=3112&tid2=4&pid2=3189&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=S

Garlett looked busy, and according to these stats, layed as many tackles per game as Yarran at 2.

Yarran higher scores contributed, Garlett with more disposals, but I'm thinking his disposal efficiency isn't as good.

Taking more marks per game, but its what you do with it then, isn't it.

Garlett may well look better long term, who knows, but my money is on Yarran, and based on their actual contributions, as opposed to how busy they look, there isn't much between them IMO.

 

[Bluebear]

Wonameri

don't disagree or anything just wanted to put this bloke forward...

Good call.

I can't think of to many others. It the type of position where you really need to know your team strucutres and where your other forwards move, hence the great understanding Betts and Fev now have.

Wonameri was different in the I think he played more midfield but push hard forward, but yes, I'll pay that.

Has he been injured? Seems to have fallen off a cliff?